Alpine A110 to be axed?
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Shame indeed. But as said, a bit overpriced compared to say a Cayman or Boxter. Still, it's rare enough to some point be worth hanging on to.
Heard too from a friend in auto media that the current Megane RS will be the last RS built. Big shame again, but these niche halo cars are slowly being dropped by most manufacturers - finances being restructured for incoming EV platforms which is sucking up cash like mad. Think we're slowly seeing the end of an era of hot specials..
Heard too from a friend in auto media that the current Megane RS will be the last RS built. Big shame again, but these niche halo cars are slowly being dropped by most manufacturers - finances being restructured for incoming EV platforms which is sucking up cash like mad. Think we're slowly seeing the end of an era of hot specials..
RallyChamp said:
Shame indeed. But as said, a bit overpriced compared to say a Cayman or Boxter. Still, it's rare enough to some point be worth hanging on to.
Forget about the badge - how do you justify that comment about the price? Both turbo 4s, as DCT/PDK the A110 is both cheaper and as standard better equipped, vastly better seats, LED headlights, cruise, keyless entry, climate and A110 is all aluminium construction, alloy double wishbone suspension, I accept that people WILL pay for a badge but try to argue why they should logically. You'll fail.RallyChamp said:
Shame indeed. But as said, a bit overpriced compared to say a Cayman or Boxter. Still, it's rare enough to some point be worth hanging on to.
Heard too from a friend in auto media that the current Megane RS will be the last RS built. Big shame again, but these niche halo cars are slowly being dropped by most manufacturers - finances being restructured for incoming EV platforms which is sucking up cash like mad. Think we're slowly seeing the end of an era of hot specials..
Overpriced compared to a Cayman or Boxster......that cost more?Heard too from a friend in auto media that the current Megane RS will be the last RS built. Big shame again, but these niche halo cars are slowly being dropped by most manufacturers - finances being restructured for incoming EV platforms which is sucking up cash like mad. Think we're slowly seeing the end of an era of hot specials..
DonkeyApple said:
On a slightly separate note, what is it that is making modern mid engined sports cars look so dumpy?
Is it legislative restrictions on design that are the reason or something more subtle like having to make access easier for the target demographic?
Even when they paint an instep between the wheels to create an illusion of slimness many still seem very chunky compared to their ancestors.
Even Ferrari’s of the last couple of generations have started to look ‘Vegas’ in more than just the glitz.
The original A110 was more in the "jolie laid" mode...function over form really.Is it legislative restrictions on design that are the reason or something more subtle like having to make access easier for the target demographic?
Even when they paint an instep between the wheels to create an illusion of slimness many still seem very chunky compared to their ancestors.
Even Ferrari’s of the last couple of generations have started to look ‘Vegas’ in more than just the glitz.
This one does a good job of imitating it.
I thought the 458 was the prettiest Ferrari since the 355. The 488 was their usual "update" model that made things worse. Not seen an F8 yet in the metal, but it seems to have taken some of the worst bits of a McLaren and 488 and fused them...
rockin said:
bcr5784 said:
Forget about the badge - the A110 is both (A) cheaper and (B) as standard better equipped
A) Flat lie.B) Nuanced lie.
http://www.porsche-code.com/PLLV2XJ4
Here you go. 50k for a lightly optioned base Cayman to get it like for like with the base Alpine
In case you say you don't need all the trinkets, I stuck with a free paint, standard speakers, no fancy alloys and a manual 'box. I did add buckets though as what kind of purist wouldn't heh? Things like a PDK box and contrast stitching would add another 4k to the price. When you factor in other things like servicing, fuel, tax (HMRC and Porsche), you start to see how it all stacks up against the Porker.
https://config.alpinecars.com/gb/en.html?conf=http...
Similar base Alpine comes to 49k and you get blue contrast stitching as an added bonus. No fancy paint, brakes and sports exhaust (you don't get them on the Cayman either).
Tried the same with a Cayman T to get a like for like spec as a base Alpine. Only expensive item added was bucket seats
http://www.porsche-code.com/PLQFQ3M3
Pretty much 60k - still more expensive than the A110S and your are still 250kg heavier. Nice cup holders though in the Cayman.
bcr5784 said:
It's very obvious if you use the configurators of both cars that Alpine have, both for the base car and options, pitched their prices just below the Porsche equivalent, which seems sensible from a marketing viewpoint.
Agreed. The Porsche configurator is in the next century in terms of functionality though. I love the Alpine but their website is dire. You don’t need to add anything to a new 718 nowadays. Adding buckets to get the comparison reminds me of BCR’s tomfoolery with the sales and production numbers. 
Fact remains you can get a manual base Cayman for a headline price less than the cheapest Alpine. Like for like is almost irrelevant as this is the one number buyers will be looking at. The 718 specs are much higher than the old 981s where you absolutely needed to add basics like Bluetooth and better sound, you even get Nav as standard with a digital radio which is surprising for Porsche.
Cayman: £44,790
Alpine Pure: £46,900 (although it seemed I could only configure a Pure from £48140 this morning!)
So you’re going up against the established brand from a higher initial price point.
Fact remains you can get a manual base Cayman for a headline price less than the cheapest Alpine. Like for like is almost irrelevant as this is the one number buyers will be looking at. The 718 specs are much higher than the old 981s where you absolutely needed to add basics like Bluetooth and better sound, you even get Nav as standard with a digital radio which is surprising for Porsche.
Cayman: £44,790
Alpine Pure: £46,900 (although it seemed I could only configure a Pure from £48140 this morning!)
So you’re going up against the established brand from a higher initial price point.
Lexington59 said:
You don’t need to add anything to a new 718 nowadays. Adding buckets to get the comparison reminds me of BCR’s tomfoolery with the sales and production numbers.
Fact remains you can get a manual base Cayman for a headline price less than the cheapest Alpine. Like for like is almost irrelevant as this is the one number buyers will be looking at. The 718 specs are much higher than the old 981s where you absolutely needed to add basics like Bluetooth and better sound, you even get Nav as standard with a digital radio which is surprising for Porsche.
Cayman: £44,790
Alpine Pure: £46,900 (although it seemed I could only configure a Pure from £48140 this morning!)
So you’re going up against the established brand from a higher initial price point.
If you want like for like specs the you do need to specify bucket seats as thats what the A110 has, plus you need to start with a Cayman S to get comparable performanceFact remains you can get a manual base Cayman for a headline price less than the cheapest Alpine. Like for like is almost irrelevant as this is the one number buyers will be looking at. The 718 specs are much higher than the old 981s where you absolutely needed to add basics like Bluetooth and better sound, you even get Nav as standard with a digital radio which is surprising for Porsche.
Cayman: £44,790
Alpine Pure: £46,900 (although it seemed I could only configure a Pure from £48140 this morning!)
So you’re going up against the established brand from a higher initial price point.
Comparable Spec and Performance
Cayman S with bucket seats, metallic paint and cruise £58,921
Alpine A110 Pure bucket seats and cruise standard, metallic paint extra £48,920
So a comparable performance and spec Cayman is £10k more expensive
Edited by blueg33 on Tuesday 2nd June 09:29
Miserablegit said:
except to get Alpine performance you need a Cayman S - A lot of people overlook this-
Are you sure ?https://fastestlaps.com/comparisons/vhcagrmr2cge
Lexington59 said:
You don’t need to add anything to a new 718 nowadays. Adding buckets to get the comparison reminds me of BCR’s tomfoolery with the sales and production numbers.
Fact remains you can get a manual base Cayman for a headline price less than the cheapest Alpine. Like for like is almost irrelevant as this is the one number buyers will be looking at. The 718 specs are much higher than the old 981s where you absolutely needed to add basics like Bluetooth and better sound, you even get Nav as standard with a digital radio which is surprising for Porsche.
Cayman: £44,790
Alpine Pure: £46,900 (although it seemed I could only configure a Pure from £48140 this morning!)
So you’re going up against the established brand from a higher initial price point.
Three obvious flaws there. Fact remains you can get a manual base Cayman for a headline price less than the cheapest Alpine. Like for like is almost irrelevant as this is the one number buyers will be looking at. The 718 specs are much higher than the old 981s where you absolutely needed to add basics like Bluetooth and better sound, you even get Nav as standard with a digital radio which is surprising for Porsche.
Cayman: £44,790
Alpine Pure: £46,900 (although it seemed I could only configure a Pure from £48140 this morning!)
So you’re going up against the established brand from a higher initial price point.
Firstly, barely anyone ever specs the Cayman with no options regardless of whether they are a genuine enthusiast or not and regardless whether the standard equipment have improved. Secondly, 80% of buyers will add PDK, fancy paint, climate control and rear parking sensors at a bare minimum. You know, resale value etc etc.
Finally, the prices you quote for the Alpine includes the first year car tax. Porsche for some reason don't include this. It's about £1300 for the first year for a base Cayman. Damn Alpine for being so honest.
I'm sure you know this but you choose to be obtuse time and time again. And time and time again we will just call you out.
Lexington59 said:
Miserablegit said:
except to get Alpine performance you need a Cayman S - A lot of people overlook this-
Are you sure ?https://fastestlaps.com/comparisons/vhcagrmr2cge
Boggo Cayman with bucket seats, pdk and cruise is £1000 more than the Alpine
Prestonese said:
Lexington59 said:
You don’t need to add anything to a new 718 nowadays. Adding buckets to get the comparison reminds me of BCR’s tomfoolery with the sales and production numbers.
Fact remains you can get a manual base Cayman for a headline price less than the cheapest Alpine. Like for like is almost irrelevant as this is the one number buyers will be looking at. The 718 specs are much higher than the old 981s where you absolutely needed to add basics like Bluetooth and better sound, you even get Nav as standard with a digital radio which is surprising for Porsche.
Cayman: £44,790
Alpine Pure: £46,900 (although it seemed I could only configure a Pure from £48140 this morning!)
So you’re going up against the established brand from a higher initial price point.
Three obvious flaws there. Fact remains you can get a manual base Cayman for a headline price less than the cheapest Alpine. Like for like is almost irrelevant as this is the one number buyers will be looking at. The 718 specs are much higher than the old 981s where you absolutely needed to add basics like Bluetooth and better sound, you even get Nav as standard with a digital radio which is surprising for Porsche.
Cayman: £44,790
Alpine Pure: £46,900 (although it seemed I could only configure a Pure from £48140 this morning!)
So you’re going up against the established brand from a higher initial price point.
Firstly, barely anyone ever specs the Cayman with no options regardless of whether they are a genuine enthusiast or not and regardless whether the standard equipment have improved. Secondly, 80% of buyers will add PDK, fancy paint, climate control and rear parking sensors at a bare minimum. You know, resale value etc etc.
Finally, the prices you quote for the Alpine includes the first year car tax. Porsche for some reason don't include this. It's about £1300 for the first year for a base Cayman. Damn Alpine for being so honest.
I'm sure you know this but you choose to be obtuse time and time again. And time and time again we will just call you out.
Prestonese said:
Lexington59 said:
You don’t need to add anything to a new 718 nowadays. Adding buckets to get the comparison reminds me of BCR’s tomfoolery with the sales and production numbers.
Fact remains you can get a manual base Cayman for a headline price less than the cheapest Alpine. Like for like is almost irrelevant as this is the one number buyers will be looking at. The 718 specs are much higher than the old 981s where you absolutely needed to add basics like Bluetooth and better sound, you even get Nav as standard with a digital radio which is surprising for Porsche.
Cayman: £44,790
Alpine Pure: £46,900 (although it seemed I could only configure a Pure from £48140 this morning!)
So you’re going up against the established brand from a higher initial price point.
Three obvious flaws there. Fact remains you can get a manual base Cayman for a headline price less than the cheapest Alpine. Like for like is almost irrelevant as this is the one number buyers will be looking at. The 718 specs are much higher than the old 981s where you absolutely needed to add basics like Bluetooth and better sound, you even get Nav as standard with a digital radio which is surprising for Porsche.
Cayman: £44,790
Alpine Pure: £46,900 (although it seemed I could only configure a Pure from £48140 this morning!)
So you’re going up against the established brand from a higher initial price point.
Firstly, barely anyone ever specs the Cayman with no options regardless of whether they are a genuine enthusiast or not and regardless whether the standard equipment have improved. Secondly, 80% of buyers will add PDK, fancy paint, climate control and rear parking sensors at a bare minimum. You know, resale value etc etc.
Finally, the prices you quote for the Alpine includes the first year car tax. Porsche for some reason don't include this. It's about £1300 for the first year for a base Cayman. Damn Alpine for being so honest.
I'm sure you know this but you choose to be obtuse time and time again. And time and time again we will just call you out.
https://www.nextgreencar.com/new-car-search/
Point on options (your #1 and #2) is that you don't actually need to add anything to the base 718 Cayman unlike the older 981 as it's actually a fairly reasonable standard spec with nav, etc.
That said I'm sure some people do add plenty of options, but there are also some pretty low "poverty" spec ones out there in the used network.
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