RE: Maserati 3200 GT | The Brave Pill

RE: Maserati 3200 GT | The Brave Pill

Saturday 6th June 2020

Maserati 3200 GT | The Brave Pill

Does it get any more courageous than a four-figure Maserati?



It's not hard to create a list of cars that have transformed the companies of the cars that made them, but it's tough to think of any that have done so as dramatically and decisively as the Maserati 3200 GT.

Before its arrival Italy's third-most famous sports car maker had become a punchline, volumes sagging ever closer to the x-axis as buyers found more compelling alternatives to its eccentric and infamously unreliable coupes and saloons. But behind the scenes, Italian national pride was at stake, and after starting out with a minority stake to De Tomaso, Fiat took full control in 1993, ponying up the funds to develop a new model shortly afterwards.

The idea was definitely for a clean break. Although appealing to anyone attracted to straight lines, the Gandini-designed Ghibli and Shamal looked dated, especially as sports cars had grown plumper and rounder. Styling for the new model was contracted to Italdesign, where big boss Giorgetto Giugiaro had previously created the 1966 Ghibli as well as the Bora and Merak - none renowned as munters. He closely supervised work on what would become the 3200 GT.


The GT was first shown in 1998, and was an immediate critical hit. It was sleek, curvaceous and good-looking from all angles, but its standout feature came at the back. The distinctive 'boomerang' rear lights were the first LED units fitted to a production car, and would soon spawn a wave of inferior imitators. The cabin was a dramatic leap forward, too - with evidence of ergonomic thought, solid construction and more leather than a Texan S&M convention, pretty much everything that wasn't either glass or switchgear between carpet and ceiling once mooed.

Mechanically the 3200 GT was less radical, drawing on the company's long-established expertise with turbocharged powerplants. In this case a 3.2-litre version of the company's 32-valve 90-degree V8, as already fitted to the contemporary Quattroporte, but with its twin intercooled IHI turbochargers now delivering 370hp. A six-speed manual gearbox was standard, and Maserati claimed the 3200 GT could blast its way from 0-60mph in five dead and go onto a top speed of 174mph. That made it fractionally faster than the Jaguar XKR, with the Maser's £59,925 UK launch price undercutting the auto-only Jag by £100. The 3200 GT was also quicker than the base 996-generation 911 Carrera, as well as being nearly five grand cheaper and, thanks to its surprisingly spacious rear seats and boot, considerably more practical.

Excitement came as standard with the 3200 GT, even when you weren't looking for it. I attended the launch of the GT Automatica in 1999, this intended for those parts of the world that weren't manly enough to deal with a clutch pedal. Not really understanding such buyers, Maserati had made the odd choice of a slushy four-speed torque converter box from Australia, this combining strangely with the snappy responses of the heavily boosted V8. Finesse was limited on part throttle as the two sides of the powertrain swung handbags at each other, but ultimate performance was barely slower than the manual, the turbochargers doing an excellent job of filling the chasms between the gearbox's widely spaced ratios.


But even the pillowy gearbox couldn't hide the difficulties the 3200 GT's chassis had in digesting so much torque, especially on the tight Tuscan roads chosen for the first drive. The Maserati's ASR traction control intervened like an angry bouncer, pretty much choke-chaining the engine in tighter turns. But turning it off revealed snappy manners and a tendency to bite. On the press launch Maserati's then-boss Luca di Montezemolo did a magnificent spin-job at the lunch stop - three courses and wine, naturally - suggesting this was merely the sort of challenge that true red-blooded sports car buyers would expect any Maserati to deliver. Maybe so, but the line between heroic and "fetch a dustpan" always felt like a fine one in an early 3200 GT.

None of which stopped the 3200 GT from being a solid hit, its success persuading Ferrari to increase the 50 per cent stake it had taken in Maserati to full control. Nearly 5,000 were made in under four years - despite the lack of a roadster - with more than 700 of those coming to the UK. Build quality had been improved dramatically over earlier Maseratis, but owners soon discovered the GT was not short of foibles - ones that some official dealers struggled to cure, or even pretend they particularly cared about. Some cars suffered from persistent electrical issues, often with those snazzy boomerang lights. Servicing was intensive and running costs were high.

As the car aged, so its reputation for scary expenditure grew. I know a bloke who decided not to buy one after discovering the receipts that proved its previous owner had dropped £15,000 into care and repair over just three years. By the early 2010s less desirable 3200 GTs were already inside four figures and were still falling, renowned for their ability to produce the sort of bills that leave glowing holes in the floor as the head towards the earth's core. The arrival of the less buggy '4200 GT' Coupe/ Spyder also depressed prices further, with the market regarding the naturally aspirated cars as being the ones to have for a long time.


Yet things have changed, buyers coming to appreciate both the significance of the 3200 GT, but also its ability to spike adrenaline and fire-up sweat glands. Values have risen steadily to the extent prices now overlap with the 4200 GT. It's a point made by our Pill, a silver manual which is the cheapest currently in the classifieds and which is being advertised for nearly exactly the same as the ex-Dwight Yorke 2003 4200 GT Cambiocorsa that featured here last year - £9,950 before haggling.

In another coincidence this week's Pill, like that one, is being sold in Northern Ireland, something which may create some logistical problems for anyone looking to purchase it from elsewhere in the UK. Being on the other side of the Irish Sea denies us a look at its online MOT history, although it last had a test in Britain as recently as November 2017. If the tester's fingers are to be believed, and the odometer is working, it has covered just 62 miles since then. The MOT prior to that one was in December 2013, and just 250 miles earlier. So it's fair to say it hasn't stretched its legs for a while. The most recent pass came after a fail with some of the issues you'd expect from a late middle-aged Maserati: under performing wipers, cloudy headlamps and a knackered handbrake.

There will likely be some costs beyond the purchase price in bringing this 3200 GT back to fettle after such a long hibernation, but there's also some margin to do so - the next-cheapest 3200 GT in the classifieds is £5,000 more expensive. Life with any Maserati 3200 GT will rarely be straightforward, and never cheap - 15mpg will see to that, before anything breaks - but it will always be exciting.


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Discussion

Esceptico

Original Poster:

7,494 posts

109 months

Saturday 6th June 2020
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A proper brave pill and nice to see something that isn’t German for a change.

alanuk400

24 posts

193 months

Saturday 6th June 2020
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Looking at the dash it's travelling at 15 MPH with the handbrake on and the door open, mileage adjustment between MOT's ?

cheddar

4,637 posts

174 months

Saturday 6th June 2020
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I am fright

Baddie

616 posts

217 months

Saturday 6th June 2020
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More than brave, this is financial Russian Roulette.

Limpet

6,310 posts

161 months

Saturday 6th June 2020
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The problem here is that it’s just not big enough to accommodate the buyer’s balls.

Tyre Smoke

23,018 posts

261 months

Saturday 6th June 2020
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Ooh. I would. If it wasn't in Norn Iron.

Go and have a look at it, that is. That's exactly the sort of car I'd buy if I wasn't happily married. laugh

s m

23,229 posts

203 months

Saturday 6th June 2020
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I remember from the last thread I read on here about them they can be a bit of a garage queen
Your garage if you don’t drive it
Or
The Maserati garage if you do

Were they actually any good to drive - I guess you buy it for the Maserati badge and V8 as the interior looks a bit Fiat Coupe-ish

Flanners

199 posts

130 months

Saturday 6th June 2020
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Have mulled over ownership of one of these annuallu for a good few years, I think since the last economic malaise in 2008 when they like most premium car's they hit rock bottom. I like a leftfield imperfect Italian but having done some research I have always erred on the side of financial caution and given it a miss, most suggest to budget a couple of grand a year on upkeep for a decent one. Think I now prefer the Gran Sport for looks. The 3200GT is most definitely the epitome of the 'Brave Pill' genre.

gregalfa

25 posts

137 months

Saturday 6th June 2020
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Have had two of these. One when I was 40 and another when I was 50. Throttle body issues spoiled the first one and the 3200s were notorious for it at one time. In 2013 it was time to take the plunge again. Autoshield in Manchester were fantastic to deal with, even though 240 miles from Scotland, and kept mine “sorted”.

Best V8 exhaust note ever? The turbos spooling up another memorable noise. It was a car that you could enjoy at 20-30mph; a real “event”. Time for another 3200. Up there with the Alfetta GTV6 in my former car favourites.

Motorsport3

499 posts

192 months

Saturday 6th June 2020
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I would have that over the new BMW 4

cheddar

4,637 posts

174 months

Saturday 6th June 2020
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gregalfa said:
Have had two of these. One when I was 40 and another when I was 50..

Time for another 3200.

Up there with the Alfetta GTV6 in my former car favourites.
You are more revered than Mad Max's Captain Walker

LotusOmega375D

7,628 posts

153 months

Saturday 6th June 2020
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Great value. Funny how the boomerang lights became sought after later in life. When they were new, most people ridiculed them and found the orthodox lights on the 4200GT a great improvement. Same goes for the bizarre high wing mirror Testarossa: everybody welcomed the more normal later twin mirror versions, but now the high mirror versions are considered the more desirable.

robsco

7,830 posts

176 months

Saturday 6th June 2020
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alanuk400 said:
Looking at the dash it's travelling at 15 MPH with the handbrake on and the door open, mileage adjustment between MOT's ?
It's where the needle rests. It's not a fault.

I haven't had a 3200 but I did buy a facelift 4200 Cambiocorsa, with no MOT, unseen... It cost me £35 for an MOT and otherwise ran perfectly (and I mean perfectly) for 9 months before I moved it on for a small profit. Ok, perhaps I got lucky, but fortune favours the brave and my experience with Maseratis has been wholly positive so far. Try the Larini sports backboxes as they take the noise to a different level. The 4200 was so good I bought a Quattroporte shortly afterwards, again unseen, and again it has been a real delight to own and so far hasn't cost me a penny in maintenance.

sideways man

1,317 posts

137 months

Saturday 6th June 2020
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I really like these and have dreamed of owning one. Would I actually spend my money... no.
Great Pill by the way.

Numeric

1,396 posts

151 months

Saturday 6th June 2020
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Someone my ex knew in Germany bought a nearly new from a main dealer and ran for a couple of years - liked it a lot and it wasn't a Porsche!

Latest model comes and goes to look but dealership asked if he could sell privatly as they didn't like to do PX on the 3200, oddly I believe he quite likes his numerous Porsches since then.

(Mind you - why isn't a 911 a brave pill if the engine issues for cars of the era are real?)

V8 FOU

2,974 posts

147 months

Saturday 6th June 2020
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You'd need to be very brave.
Not mentioned are the well-documented problems with the crank thrust washers. The pull-type clutch on the manual makes short work of the thrusts and that finishes off the engine permanently. Autos are slightly less likely.
The throttle bodies can be recon to be more reliable.

Just buy the 4200 tbh.

BigChiefmuffinAgain

1,062 posts

98 months

Saturday 6th June 2020
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Nice article though a bit of a contradiction when saying it was a critical hit when launched then listing a bit further down all the things people found wrong with the car.

My recollection was that people were glad that a new Maserati had finally been launched (this was not a given in those days) but that the car was deeply flawed (or maybe possessed too much character if trying to be kind). The fact that it was replaced so quickly, by Maserati standards, suggests they agree.

Unless you really enjoy going against the grain, the 4200 is a better choice.

edwheels

256 posts

146 months

Saturday 6th June 2020
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There is something about Maserati - I'll never forget seeing an early Biturbo seemingly abondoned in an underground carpark (in Italy) many years ago - it was encased in a thick layer of dust on flat tyres but still had a bit of magic eminating from it...

All that said, I know I am in the minority here, but I am not a fan of a lot of the styling of the 3200GT - the front lights behind the covers look very kit car. The boomerang rear lights look like sad face eyebrows - I know they are much loved by 99.999% of the rest of humanity of course! The general proportions are just a whisker off being right from all angles to my eyes.

Interior wise - all those curves and the V in the middle of the dash... plus cheap looking heater dials - all looks a bit out of kilter.

I hate to end on a negative though - this Pill is different, would, no doubt, sound superb and the buyer would deserve a medal for bravery.



Edited by edwheels on Saturday 6th June 11:57

s m

23,229 posts

203 months

Saturday 6th June 2020
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I think it would have to be a Shamal for me over this
Prefer the old angular shapes

biggbn

23,378 posts

220 months

Saturday 6th June 2020
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I remember loving the boomerang lights. Then looking at the rest. And the other icon, qp. And thinking they look Korean. Some cars look Japanese, some look German, some could only be Italian of French. Those two look Korean, yet thats not the insult it once was. Decent lines, overly fussy, fiddly bits of styling, some parts just SLIGHTLY out of proportion....don't get me wrong, I'd love one. But. Korean....