Real Good Number Plates Vol. 6
Discussion
Boobonman said:
Wow! some good ones here.
SVO 1 - Issued by Nottingham County Council in April 1955
CR 7 - Issued by Southampton County Borough Council in December 1903. Is this plate owned by Christiano Ronaldo?
Potential six figure sale, if not. Where was this spotted?
P1G HO - Wrong thread
566565 - Definitely not a UK format. Think, Guernsey only have five digits. Help needed here.
5 OUL - DVLA Auction job, £4,648.00 all inclusive, June 1999.
B 1 - Issued by Lancaster County Council, December 1903 and posted many a time on these volumes.
PU51 BUS - No Comment
50 HO - DVLA Auction job. £3,390.00 in April 1999. Both 5 OHO and 50 HO are showing up as being on Black G class,
albeit a year difference in age.
1 O - DVLA Auction, January 2009, £202,243.00 all inclusive.
addz86 said:
Wow! Another example of an Irish plate on a UK car. This was issued by Dublin County Council. The series commenced in 1940. Where was this spotted? Having lived fourteen years in the Irish Republic, I saw only a handful of the old system reg. numbers on the road. The new current system started in 1987. Up until 2012 there was only one year identifier per year. Since 2013 there are two per year. So 131 would mean registered in 2013 and between Jan-June and 132 would mean registered in 2013 and between July-December.
Yankee Romeo said:
Wow! Another example of an Irish plate on a UK car. This was issued by Dublin County Council. The series commenced in 1940. Where was this spotted? Having lived fourteen years in the Irish Republic, I saw only a handful of the old system reg. numbers on the road. The new current system started in 1987. Up until 2012 there was only one year identifier per year. Since 2013 there are two per year. So 131 would mean registered in 2013 and between Jan-June and 132 would mean registered in 2013 and between July-December.
Spotted on the M42 towards Tamworth, I didn’t realise southern Irish plates could be put on UK carsaddz86 said:
Yankee Romeo said:
Wow! Another example of an Irish plate on a UK car. This was issued by Dublin County Council. The series commenced in 1940. Where was this spotted? Having lived fourteen years in the Irish Republic, I saw only a handful of the old system reg. numbers on the road. The new current system started in 1987. Up until 2012 there was only one year identifier per year. Since 2013 there are two per year. So 131 would mean registered in 2013 and between Jan-June and 132 would mean registered in 2013 and between July-December.
Spotted on the M42 towards Tamworth, I didn’t realise southern Irish plates could be put on UK carsNo such country as Southern Ireland, but there are some Republic of Ireland plates now registered on UK cars, there was a loophole that was finally closed in 1987.
Other examples of Irish plates are 1 Z (reissued in the 70's in Dublin), and there are several JIM (followed by up to three numbers, issued in Galway) that were issued in the 60's. Lastly you have VIP 1 that was issued in Kilkenny in the early 70's.
That ZE is a great spot
Edited by Sir Bagalot on Thursday 25th June 22:28
Sir Bagalot said:
addz86 said:
Yankee Romeo said:
Wow! Another example of an Irish plate on a UK car. This was issued by Dublin County Council. The series commenced in 1940. Where was this spotted? Having lived fourteen years in the Irish Republic, I saw only a handful of the old system reg. numbers on the road. The new current system started in 1987. Up until 2012 there was only one year identifier per year. Since 2013 there are two per year. So 131 would mean registered in 2013 and between Jan-June and 132 would mean registered in 2013 and between July-December.
Spotted on the M42 towards Tamworth, I didn’t realise southern Irish plates could be put on UK carsNo such country as Southern Ireland, but there are some Republic of Ireland plates now registered on UK cars, there was a loophole that was finally closed in 1987.
Other examples of Irish plates are 1 Z (reissued in the 70's in Dublin), and there are several JIM (followed by up to three numbers, issued in Galway) that were issued in the 60's. Lastly you have VIP 1 that was issued in Kilkenny in the early 70's.
That ZE is a great spot
Edited by Sir Bagalot on Thursday 25th June 22:28
Yankee Romeo said:
CR 7 - Issued by Southampton County Borough Council in December 1903. Is this plate owned by Christiano Ronaldo?
Potential six figure sale, if not. Where was this spotted?
.Potential six figure sale, if not. Where was this spotted?
https://www.bucksfreepress.co.uk/news/4062082.beac...
Sir Bagalot said:
addz86 said:
Yankee Romeo said:
Wow! Another example of an Irish plate on a UK car. This was issued by Dublin County Council. The series commenced in 1940. Where was this spotted? Having lived fourteen years in the Irish Republic, I saw only a handful of the old system reg. numbers on the road. The new current system started in 1987. Up until 2012 there was only one year identifier per year. Since 2013 there are two per year. So 131 would mean registered in 2013 and between Jan-June and 132 would mean registered in 2013 and between July-December.
Spotted on the M42 towards Tamworth, I didn’t realise southern Irish plates could be put on UK carsNo such country as Southern Ireland, but there are some Republic of Ireland plates now registered on UK cars, there was a loophole that was finally closed in 1987.
Other examples of Irish plates are 1 Z (reissued in the 70's in Dublin), and there are several JIM (followed by up to three numbers, issued in Galway) that were issued in the 60's. Lastly you have VIP 1 that was issued in Kilkenny in the early 70's.
That ZE is a great spot
Edited by Sir Bagalot on Thursday 25th June 22:28
IAINSMITH said:
Can I ask why 1 AN is not transferable? I’ve got 81AN and no problems there, had it for 20 years
T-J-C said:
Someone took the original plate off the car and DVLA issued it a new non-transferable age related plate, which was 1 AN.
CRA1G said:
Your plate was DVLA Auction number which I presume you bought direct the Auction in January 98 for £5800 + VAT Etc.... 1 AN was DVLA age replacement plate which was issued to the Morris Minor after the Moggys original number was transferred,strange it was issued with such a distinctive plate but never the less now deemed "No Transferable" the reason they have to do that is to stop the same happening again and again releasing old numbers on to the market.
Whilst CRA1G and T-J-C have helpfully responded to this oft-asked question, might I be so bold as to suggest that they are merely speculating on how 1 AN came to be non-transferable, rather than stating an undisputed fact!This topic has been mulled for years by number plate nuts and, as it happens, I think the theory suggested by CRA1G and T-J-C is the least likely explanation.
On one of the previous occasions this question was asked, I put forward my own theory (and made clear that it was only my opinion!) as to the best explanation.
I've just looked back and I'm surprised that it was as long ago as September, 2016 - in a discussion with CRA1G!
For those who don't wish to follow the link to the page, I copy what I speculated then, below - suffice to say, the back-story on how 1 AN came to be non-transferable may never be proven with clear evidence, and the only thing I think is more likely than that happening is a change in the transfer rules which would allow 1 AN to be freed from the Morris Minor!
M3DGE said:
I've never understood 1 AN. The plate was never originally issued (AN was not reversed) so, if not bought from DVLA how did this plate end up on the Moggy? Anyone?
CRA1G said:
I have always been lead to belive the moggys original plate "was"transferred and 1 AN was issued as a similar age related replacement and therefore not transferable...
Rowd1284 said:
I've heard that too, but it seems highly implausible to me that such an obviously valuable plate would be routinely issued like that, as alleged.
Since time immemorial many authorities had an unofficial system in place which kept the 'best' combinations back - and it was not uncommon for the 'very best' to end up in the hands of the civil servants who themselves administered the registrations!
For instance, R 1 (December 1903) was reputedly issued to the head honcho at the Derbyshire licensing authority, and passed down through the family at least as far as the 1970s.
Today such an abuse would be considered clear-cut corruption in a public position.
What also often happened when two-letter combinations were reversed was that the low digits were all held back.
For example, my bible tells me that the AD series was reversed in January 1960, but started from 100 AD - all the double-digits, presumably, having been 'promised' to local car dealerships, business leaders and sundry bigwigs.
As for 1 AN, the car is from 1960 but the DVLA database shows it was first registered in October 1984 (this date refers to when it was first registered on the computerised system) - meaning that, for the back-story to be true, the number it replaced would itself have almost certainly been non-transferable.
It also raises a number of questions as to why the authorities would issue only one plate in the AN series - and the very best possible - as a non-transferable dateless replacement, when, only a handful of years later the DVLA began cashing in on all their unissued combinations at auction, which saw 2-104 AN inclusive all sold off during the 1990s.
Much more likely, in my opinion, is that 1 AN, was a special one-off, issued yonks ago by some flexible civil servant to one of the old boys as a private number.
Said plate's owner (who had it attached to the Morris Minor) failed to update/maintain its registration by the new computerised system's deadline, and, subsequently, it was routinely re-registered to the car under the new system (in 1984) as a non-transferable plate.
Sorry for my last two long posts, but I find it interesting even if nobody else does!
Since time immemorial many authorities had an unofficial system in place which kept the 'best' combinations back - and it was not uncommon for the 'very best' to end up in the hands of the civil servants who themselves administered the registrations!
For instance, R 1 (December 1903) was reputedly issued to the head honcho at the Derbyshire licensing authority, and passed down through the family at least as far as the 1970s.
Today such an abuse would be considered clear-cut corruption in a public position.
What also often happened when two-letter combinations were reversed was that the low digits were all held back.
For example, my bible tells me that the AD series was reversed in January 1960, but started from 100 AD - all the double-digits, presumably, having been 'promised' to local car dealerships, business leaders and sundry bigwigs.
As for 1 AN, the car is from 1960 but the DVLA database shows it was first registered in October 1984 (this date refers to when it was first registered on the computerised system) - meaning that, for the back-story to be true, the number it replaced would itself have almost certainly been non-transferable.
It also raises a number of questions as to why the authorities would issue only one plate in the AN series - and the very best possible - as a non-transferable dateless replacement, when, only a handful of years later the DVLA began cashing in on all their unissued combinations at auction, which saw 2-104 AN inclusive all sold off during the 1990s.
Much more likely, in my opinion, is that 1 AN, was a special one-off, issued yonks ago by some flexible civil servant to one of the old boys as a private number.
Said plate's owner (who had it attached to the Morris Minor) failed to update/maintain its registration by the new computerised system's deadline, and, subsequently, it was routinely re-registered to the car under the new system (in 1984) as a non-transferable plate.
Sorry for my last two long posts, but I find it interesting even if nobody else does!
Honk said:
I recall seeing VIP 1 on a Rolls Royce Phantom,outside Harrods waiting to pick up Gladys Knight. The Pips were on the next street leaning on a Ferrari Dino.This was 1978.
More than likely the Phantom owner had granted themselves a licence to use the plate for the occasion as the plate was on an Irish XJ6 at that time I think. Similar to the pope-mobile provider who did the same for the pope later on 
. I had someone likely doing the same with my plate and only found out when they committed traffic offences. 
rowd1284 said:
IAINSMITH said:
Much more likely, in my opinion, is that 1 AN, was a special one-off, issued yonks ago by some flexible civil servant to one of the old boys as a private number.
Said plate's owner (who had it attached to the Morris Minor) failed to update/maintain its registration by the new computerised system's deadline, and, subsequently, it was routinely re-registered to the car under the new system (in 1984) as a non-transferable plate.
Sorry for my last two long posts, but I find it interesting even if nobody else does!
Said plate's owner (who had it attached to the Morris Minor) failed to update/maintain its registration by the new computerised system's deadline, and, subsequently, it was routinely re-registered to the car under the new system (in 1984) as a non-transferable plate.
Sorry for my last two long posts, but I find it interesting even if nobody else does!
CRA1G said:
rowd1284 said:
IAINSMITH said:
Much more likely, in my opinion, is that 1 AN, was a special one-off, issued yonks ago by some flexible civil servant to one of the old boys as a private number.
Said plate's owner (who had it attached to the Morris Minor) failed to update/maintain its registration by the new computerised system's deadline, and, subsequently, it was routinely re-registered to the car under the new system (in 1984) as a non-transferable plate.
Sorry for my last two long posts, but I find it interesting even if nobody else does!
Said plate's owner (who had it attached to the Morris Minor) failed to update/maintain its registration by the new computerised system's deadline, and, subsequently, it was routinely re-registered to the car under the new system (in 1984) as a non-transferable plate.
Sorry for my last two long posts, but I find it interesting even if nobody else does!
One thing is for sure.... it's staying on it
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