Why did people spec auto on performance cars?
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CanAm said:
Pit Pony said:
At 49, after a particularly bad return journey to Cardiff from Liverpool, which meant I spent 9 hours in 2 days doing 440 miles, much of which was spent at 5 mph, I decided to tick 2 of those boxes. I bought an old 3.2 4 speed auto Omega with cruise control.
I used to do such a journey every weekend in an automatic V6 Omega. Auto was bliss on the M25/M6 (!)Plus it was the most comfortable car I've ever driven
Usually when someone says Lambos need to be manuals or its a crime that Porsche made an SUV, you click on their garage and they clearly are never going to be a paying customer of either.
Theres a reason you can't buy a regular manual Lambo, and there's a reason why Porsche / Bentley etc make SUV's now. The actual paying customers have spoken... some internet post by a guy driving a Clio is just noise.
Theres a reason you can't buy a regular manual Lambo, and there's a reason why Porsche / Bentley etc make SUV's now. The actual paying customers have spoken... some internet post by a guy driving a Clio is just noise.
Algarve said:
Usually when someone says Lambos need to be manuals or its a crime that Porsche made an SUV, you click on their garage and they clearly are never going to be a paying customer of either.
Theres a reason you can't buy a regular manual Lambo, and there's a reason why Porsche / Bentley etc make SUV's now.
Theres a reason you can't buy a regular manual Lambo, and there's a reason why Porsche / Bentley etc make SUV's now.
Algarve said:
Usually when someone says Lambos need to be manuals or its a crime that Porsche made an SUV, you click on their garage and they clearly are never going to be a paying customer of either.
Theres a reason you can't buy a regular manual Lambo, and there's a reason why Porsche / Bentley etc make SUV's now. The actual paying customers have spoken... some internet post by a guy driving a Clio is just noise.
Amen. Theres a reason you can't buy a regular manual Lambo, and there's a reason why Porsche / Bentley etc make SUV's now. The actual paying customers have spoken... some internet post by a guy driving a Clio is just noise.
Algarve said:
Usually when someone says Lambos need to be manuals or its a crime that Porsche made an SUV, you click on their garage and they clearly are never going to be a paying customer of either.
Theres a reason you can't buy a regular manual Lambo, and there's a reason why Porsche / Bentley etc make SUV's now. The actual paying customers have spoken... some internet post by a guy driving a Clio is just noise.
Clicking on your garage seems to bring up nothing. Do you live in a shed?Theres a reason you can't buy a regular manual Lambo, and there's a reason why Porsche / Bentley etc make SUV's now. The actual paying customers have spoken... some internet post by a guy driving a Clio is just noise.
And yes, plenty of people buy cars for a variety of reasons. Most people don't care about driving but like to make themselves look good or do it for bragging rights.
And being able to choose which colour stitching best matches their eyes of course.
Algarve said:
Usually when someone says Lambos need to be manuals or its a crime that Porsche made an SUV, you click on their garage and they clearly are never going to be a paying customer of either.
Theres a reason you can't buy a regular manual Lambo, and there's a reason why Porsche / Bentley etc make SUV's now. The actual paying customers have spoken... some internet post by a guy driving a Clio is just noise.
Strange comment. Its the sort of thing I might think, but would never post because of how it would make me look.Theres a reason you can't buy a regular manual Lambo, and there's a reason why Porsche / Bentley etc make SUV's now. The actual paying customers have spoken... some internet post by a guy driving a Clio is just noise.
Empirically, when I look at the second hand prices of manual vs auto Lambos of the same type. I'm not seeing the divide in price you suggest there should be. Specifically the car you happen mention is carrying a mild premium on manual cars in the second hand market. Perhaps taste changes, or perhaps they are all being bought by guys whose other car happens to be a clio?
vikingaero said:
I couldn't care less that someone thinks my car isn't a performance car as it is an auto. It suits my needs.
^^^ This.The handful of PH driving gods who drive their old cars twice a month and make a lot of noise on here don't amount to a row of beans when it comes to a motor industry dependent on real people buying real cars for real lives.
On the technical side, modern autos with full torque management through the driveline protect the car from the ape at the wheel. Engines are massively more powerful than they were 20 years ago. 200 bhp has become 400 bhp. That's enough (translated into torque) to rip clutches and transmissions to pieces.
PanicBuyingBogRoll said:
I can select any gear I want with the paddles (or gearstick) faster than I could with a manual.
If for some reason I really wanted to blip the throttle, I can knock it into neutral.
And probably do all that faster than the time it takes to press the clutch pedal.
And your car could go even quicker with full autonomous mode using a fusion of satellite data, live traffic feeds, weather conditions and your 'aggressiveness' preset.If for some reason I really wanted to blip the throttle, I can knock it into neutral.
And probably do all that faster than the time it takes to press the clutch pedal.
All you'd have to do would be sip your coffee and watch TikTok videos.
Ain't that fun
I'm firmly in the manuals for fun and autos for the daily grind camp. There are plenty of cars I might make exceptions for either rule for though.
One thing that I never see mentioned on these threads. Does anyone miss the pause that a slow manual gear change brings in a powerful car? That feeling that a big engine is catching it's breath, the pause in the noise and thrust before it all starts again. If you watch a video of a countach or a muscle car or something setting off through the gears, the theatre that rise and fall in noise brings is fantastic, or maybe its just me. It's way slower I know, but I miss that from DCT's, autos etc. The latter are so bloody impressive but I can't really bring myself to care that much.
One thing that I never see mentioned on these threads. Does anyone miss the pause that a slow manual gear change brings in a powerful car? That feeling that a big engine is catching it's breath, the pause in the noise and thrust before it all starts again. If you watch a video of a countach or a muscle car or something setting off through the gears, the theatre that rise and fall in noise brings is fantastic, or maybe its just me. It's way slower I know, but I miss that from DCT's, autos etc. The latter are so bloody impressive but I can't really bring myself to care that much.
FA57REN said:
PanicBuyingBogRoll said:
I can select any gear I want with the paddles (or gearstick) faster than I could with a manual.
If for some reason I really wanted to blip the throttle, I can knock it into neutral.
And probably do all that faster than the time it takes to press the clutch pedal.
And your car could go even quicker with full autonomous mode using a fusion of satellite data, live traffic feeds, weather conditions and your 'aggressiveness' preset.If for some reason I really wanted to blip the throttle, I can knock it into neutral.
And probably do all that faster than the time it takes to press the clutch pedal.
All you'd have to do would be sip your coffee and watch TikTok videos.
Ain't that fun
Those who reckon flapple paddle is involving why not go the whole hog to full soporific autonomy.
Another example of diluting the driving experience to flatter a crap driver and make it easy peasy for the masses.
I have both man/auto and manual btw and for driving involvement there is no comparison whatsoever.
Edited by av185 on Wednesday 24th June 20:00
I like both. But my experience of every manual i've had is that they can be precocious buggers when too cold/too hot/hurried/shifting too slow. I've never had a totally refined one that shifts well in all conditions. Autos just auto and ensure their own mechanical sympathy.
Manual for fun (MX5), for actual day to day car - auto (8 series).
Manual for fun (MX5), for actual day to day car - auto (8 series).
I did a couple of Vmax 200s last year.. pretty much ever car was an auto, and you can see where a Porsche Turbo gets away from me, change to 2nd gear (I'd got off the line quicker - but the gear changes killed me (manual vs very modern auto) .. but I was having fun... I did laugh when the organiser told everyone at the briefing that everyone should keep their traction control, etc on (didn't have any.. Manual T350C (LS3) - al that said I also have an Auto Mustang GT convertible and love it.
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