RE: TVR seeks £25m investment to secure future

RE: TVR seeks £25m investment to secure future

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Andy665

3,634 posts

229 months

Tuesday 30th June 2020
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And another Pistonheads thread that could have been insightful and interesting has resorted to petty, immature bickering

Some people need to look in the mirror and grow up

so called

9,090 posts

210 months

Tuesday 30th June 2020
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Equus said:
so called said:
The first Tuscan I had was rebuilt at the factory at 35k miles.
I bought it at 70k and it needed another rebuilt.
You mean you didn't check the owner's manual before buying it?

In the unlikely event that you manage to avoid putting it through a hedge backwards, your vehicle will need a B-Service at approximately 1 year after the A Service, or at the next 15,000 miles, whichever comes sooner.
The B service consists of:
  • Brake fluid exchange
  • Tyre inflation check and correction
  • Brake component inspection
  • Full engine rebuild, with fresh chocolate finger followers
  • Check and top up washer fluid
It's not unreliable, chaps, it's a service itemrofl
Sorry Equus, you asked me a question, I gave you an honest answer and you take the p1ss.
Maybe I don't blame ddom for not feeding your bitterness.

Monkeylegend

26,467 posts

232 months

Tuesday 30th June 2020
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The fact that ddom seems so reluctant to tell other fellow car enthusiasts on a car forum what cars he has is a bit strange though. It's not like we are asking him to reveal state secrets.

He was quick to ask others what cars they have, almost as if they have no right to post about them if they have never owned one.

It makes you think that if he lists them he will immediately be identified as one of the many banned returnees which based on his prolific posting over the last two months ................... scratchchin

I love a good conspiracy theory hehe

anonymous-user

55 months

Tuesday 30th June 2020
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Some manufacturers work hard on trying to make their saloons and hatchbacks look like their performance cars.

Only one manufacturer strives to make performance cars which look like its saloons and hatchbacks. No doubt a worthy endeavour for marketing the humdrum stuff but ultimately rather dull.

Flying machine

1,132 posts

177 months

Tuesday 30th June 2020
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It's a shame, but I think it looks unlikely that this project (TVR in it's current form) will become anything like what was promised a few years ago. I wonder if it would have been possible to have built the old back-catalogue of cars (V8 and S6) as new vehicles? There seems to be a lot of love for the old cars and I can imagine that they might have sold a few new (old) Griffs and Sagaris etc if priced at a reasonable amount, and perhaps this might have allowed them to grow the company more gradually. Does the 'new' company have the old body moulds and tooling?

The new car does nothing for me, and I agree with other posters that it already looks dated. I had a T350 for a couple of years, which was an interesting car with its own personality, and I'm glad that I gave it a go, but I wouldn't have another S6 TVR, possibly a V8 Chim, possibly.

Glenn63

2,789 posts

85 months

Tuesday 30th June 2020
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Seems a lot of hate for TVR in here which I think is a shame. I love the TVR’s of old completely different to anything else, their looks, interiors were/are brilliant to me my school boy dream cars! If I had the spare cash/space I’d have a tamora/Tuscan or any tbh in my garage tomorrow. Obviously wouldn’t be my daily relied upon car but for a sunny afternoon down some nice roads with the roof down couldn’t imagine anything better.

Equus

16,980 posts

102 months

Tuesday 30th June 2020
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so called said:
Sorry Equus, you asked me a question, I gave you an honest answer and you take the p1ss.
Maybe I don't blame ddom for not feeding your bitterness.
Well, come on - seriously...

You're trying to convince us that the marque's reputation for unreliability is unjustified, then admit to owning an example that needed two engine rebuilds, literally at typical B-service intervals for a modern car?

Not being blind to a car's gross and blatant faults isn't bitterness. Its merely not being self-deluded.

Monkeylegend said:
It makes you think that if he lists them he will immediately be identified as one of the many banned returnees which based on his prolific posting over the last two months ................... scratchchin

I love a good conspiracy theory hehe
Yup, that occurred to me, too - suspiciously prolific post count from a standing start, for a newbie.

We're watching you, ddom...


swisstoni

17,050 posts

280 months

Tuesday 30th June 2020
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My S6 was rebuilt over 10 years ago by Powers Performance. Faultless since.

Equus

16,980 posts

102 months

Tuesday 30th June 2020
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swisstoni said:
My S6 was rebuilt over 10 years ago by Powers Performance. Faultless since.
The fact that it had to be rebuilt in the first place kind of tells you there's a problem though...

It shouldn't be necessary, in the 21st century, to pay for a 3rd party to fully rebuild a manufacturer's product in order to achieve an adequate level of reliability.

You could forgive the RV8 engined cars for needing a new camshaft at ~90K miles, 'cos the Rover engine was a museum piece even in the 90's, but a full engine rebuild being necessary in a large number of cases at 1/3rd of that mileage simply isn't on.

so called

9,090 posts

210 months

Tuesday 30th June 2020
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Equus said:
so called said:
Sorry Equus, you asked me a question, I gave you an honest answer and you take the p1ss.
Maybe I don't blame ddom for not feeding your bitterness.
Well, come on - seriously...

You're trying to convince us that the marque's reputation for unreliability is unjustified, then admit to owning an example that needed two engine rebuilds, literally at typical B-service intervals for a modern car?

Not being blind to a car's gross and blatant faults isn't bitterness. Its merely not being self-deluded.
No, your wrong. I'm not self deluded. I would have thought that pretty clear in what I posted.
The S6 engine was weak in the earlier cars and cost a lot to sort out
If I was trying to convince anyone that the S6 was anything else, would I have posted that.

You didn't seem to realize that the photo of my Tuscan surrounded by broken down cars was tongue in cheek.
You also chose to ignore the fact that I drive down to Spain every year in the Tuscan and that the later engines are fine.

You, on the other hand, seem to need to insult people with your comments

..........that compensated for the inadequacy of their owners' manhood.
a) I was never that insecure
b) I have never liked either cars or people that are all mouth and trousers,........

Maybe its you with the small digit?

ddom

6,657 posts

49 months

Tuesday 30th June 2020
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Equus said:
We're watching you, ddom...
Give it a rest eh?

swisstoni

17,050 posts

280 months

Tuesday 30th June 2020
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Of course S6 failures were not acceptable and a massive error.
But for people looking at them today, a rebuild by Str8Six or Powers should be viewed as a good bet.

Equus

16,980 posts

102 months

Tuesday 30th June 2020
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so called said:
You didn't seem to realize that the photo of my Tuscan surrounded by broken down cars was tongue in cheek.
You also chose to ignore the fact that I drive down to Spain every year in the Tuscan and that the later engines are fine.
I didn't attach much weight to the fact that your Tuscan was surrounded by breakdowns. I took the point as being that the location was given as South of France, on the way to Spain, and that that was somehow proof that the cars are reliable.

It is disingenuous in the extreme to make such a suggestion, whilst failing to mention the two engine rebuilds at 35K intervals...
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Whether or not the Smolensky era cars have satisfactory engine reliability is open to question, not least since production numbers were so small that the statistics become meaningless, but it would be equally disingenuous to suggest that they are entirely reliable.

Equus

16,980 posts

102 months

Tuesday 30th June 2020
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ddom said:
Give it a rest eh?
Well, it would be simple enough to deny that you're not here flouting a ban. No need to disclose your top secret car collection for that.

But you choose not to do so?

ddom

6,657 posts

49 months

Tuesday 30th June 2020
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Equus said:
Well, it would be simple enough to deny that you're not here flouting a ban. No need to disclose your top secret car collection for that.

But you choose not to do so?
You don’t list a garage yourself, hence why I asked why you were so rude about TVR owners.

And you really appear to have a mission against the cars themselves!

Equus

16,980 posts

102 months

Tuesday 30th June 2020
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ddom said:
You don’t list a garage yourself, hence why I asked why you were so rude about TVR owners.
If I show you mine, will you show me yours? biggrin

I have always made it perfectly clear that my dislike of the cars is based on having owned one. Swisstoni's earlier comments acknowledge that.

Unlike some people, I wouldn't even comment about a marque I have little or no direct knowledge of.

Still no response to the suggestion that you are here in breach of a ban?

Dr Interceptor

7,801 posts

197 months

Tuesday 30th June 2020
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I wonder what the record is for a company in existence relying solely on loans/investment/funding without actually ever building or selling anything.

ddom

6,657 posts

49 months

Tuesday 30th June 2020
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Equus said:
If I show you mine, will you show me yours? biggrin

I have always made it perfectly clear that my dislike of the cars is based on having owned one. Swisstoni's earlier comments acknowledge that.

Unlike some people, I wouldn't even comment about a marque I have little or no direct knowledge of.

Still no response to the suggestion that you are here in breach of a ban?
Why would anyone return after a ban, it would seem a strange thing to do IMO. So, no. Sadly it appears a standard retort to all new posters. Anyway.

As for commenting on a car which there no direct experience, there’s passing general thoughts and then there’s being OTT. I’ve never owned or driven many things which I quite admire.

Equus

16,980 posts

102 months

Tuesday 30th June 2020
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ddom said:
Why would anyone return after a ban...
Why don't you tell us (or offer a clear and straight denial), instead of using weasel words?

Venturist

3,472 posts

196 months

Tuesday 30th June 2020
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Equus said:
We're watching you, ddom...
I’d just like to add please don’t presume to speak for everybody, personally I couldn’t give two sts about what’s in his garage or whatever you’re bickering about now, ddom comes across as having worthwhile things to say and expressing them in a sensible enough way, it’s bizarre to me to decide the value of their words based on what they’ve written in their garage page (which could be complete rubbish).
You’re inciting him to willy wave so that you can then laugh at him for willy waving. Yawn.