RE: TVR seeks £25m investment to secure future

RE: TVR seeks £25m investment to secure future

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swisstoni

17,035 posts

280 months

Thursday 25th June 2020
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chelme said:
Elliot2000 said:
chelme said:
Yes, yes, and here we see the poor souls going down, because let's face it, the quality is questionable...the management inept, and the system is not there to help.

But we won two world wars and a world cup right? So all is well and good. ;-)
Very good - ignore all the points made that show you have no idea what you are talking about - you claimed that uk manufacturers have neither the skill or ability to produce cars in this country by using examples of manufactures that make and produce cars in this country?!

You seem well versed on trying to bullst your way through things, your not one of my old managers are you?
Okay Elliot 2000, you are absolutely right. The British design, engineer, manufacture and put together ALL these brands AND we manage all of these, here in Great Britain... No really! We do. AND we own these brands too. Don't believe it when it is said that RR Bentley and JLR are foreign owned. It's fake news mate. The latest Bentley interior resembles that of the Porsche Panamera, because actually Porsche is owned by the British. This is why Britain, sorry, I meant to say Great Britain, is leading the global manufacturing sector. . It's TRUE!!.

What was I thinking, eh? Tut tut. ;-)
Sarcasm won’t get you out of the hole you’ve dug yourself.

chelme

1,353 posts

171 months

Thursday 25th June 2020
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swisstoni said:
chelme said:
Elliot2000 said:
chelme said:
Yes, yes, and here we see the poor souls going down, because let's face it, the quality is questionable...the management inept, and the system is not there to help.

But we won two world wars and a world cup right? So all is well and good. ;-)
Very good - ignore all the points made that show you have no idea what you are talking about - you claimed that uk manufacturers have neither the skill or ability to produce cars in this country by using examples of manufactures that make and produce cars in this country?!

You seem well versed on trying to bullst your way through things, your not one of my old managers are you?
Okay Elliot 2000, you are absolutely right. The British design, engineer, manufacture and put together ALL these brands AND we manage all of these, here in Great Britain... No really! We do. AND we own these brands too. Don't believe it when it is said that RR Bentley and JLR are foreign owned. It's fake news mate. The latest Bentley interior resembles that of the Porsche Panamera, because actually Porsche is owned by the British. This is why Britain, sorry, I meant to say Great Britain, is leading the global manufacturing sector. . It's TRUE!!.

What was I thinking, eh? Tut tut. ;-)
Sarcasm won’t get you out of the hole you’ve dug yourself.
Haha! "The hole" in a PH forum, so says a "swisstoni". I like that one. ;-)

Elliot2000

785 posts

177 months

Thursday 25th June 2020
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chelme said:
Okay Elliot 2000, you are absolutely right. The British design, engineer, manufacture and put together ALL these brands AND we manage all of these, here in Great Britain... No really! We do. AND we own these brands too. Don't believe it when it is said that RR Bentley and JLR are foreign owned. It's fake news mate. The latest Bentley interior resembles that of the Porsche Panamera, because actually Porsche is owned by the British. This is why Britain, sorry, I meant to say Great Britain, is leading the global manufacturing sector. . It's TRUE!!.

What was I thinking, eh? Tut tut. ;-)
Again, changing the subject and trying to deflect from what you stated. How about just not talking like an expert when you know bugger all? Might save you from looking a tt next time.

anonymous-user

55 months

Thursday 25th June 2020
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chelme said:
Haha. Twaddle? Speak for your self. As for the management? If the Germans thought the brand was worth saving, they"d buy it and manage it properly, like they have done with, let's see....how about Bentley, RR, oh and shall we add Jaguar Land Rover?! Why not...

Keep on sticking your head in the sand...there's a good lad.


Edited by chelme on Thursday 25th June 19:31
Dear god. There's obviously a bar somewhere in imminent danger of collapse without you leaning on it, boring everyone within earshot with your expertise.

juniorbox

82 posts

145 months

Thursday 25th June 2020
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The chances of them finding buyers for this issue must be as close to zero as makes no difference, surely?

anonymous-user

55 months

Thursday 25th June 2020
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"...TVR’s says its plans already encompass electrification, claiming that the Griffith’s spaceframe core and surrounding carbonfibre structure are ready for hybrid and full EV power sources "

scratchchin

Edited by anonymous-user on Thursday 25th June 21:47

anonymous-user

55 months

Thursday 25th June 2020
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samoht said:
If this country can manufacture and successfully export Rolls Royces, Bentleys, Aston Martins and McLarens, there's no way that it's not possible to put together an fibreglass sports car to an acceptable level of quality here.
Off you go then....

Part of TVR's madness is the idea they can buy a workmanlike driveline from Ford, splash some cash on it at Cosworth for a bit of irrelevant cred', shove it in a plastic shopping crate and sell the whole mess for £100,000 without a credible dealer network.

Meanwhile people can wander down to their local garage and buy a variety of blisteringly competent sports car for around £30,000 less money.

mikEsprit

828 posts

187 months

Thursday 25th June 2020
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Mastill said:
What’s the point. The world really doesn’t need or want another expensive, irrelevant sports car.
The world is changing and this car already looks obsolete.
The point is that the world needs and wants TVR.

Not betting enough of the world needs or wants this Mazda-faced TVR, though.

Lee Jones Jnr

1,724 posts

171 months

Thursday 25th June 2020
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It is too expensive.
If someone wants a nippy wee plastic car that looks like a kit car they can buy a Ginetta.
That mock up doesn't look like a £90k car.

Don1

15,951 posts

209 months

Thursday 25th June 2020
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P-Jay said:
Well... the silver lining here is that when it all ends in tears the WAG will have only sunk £2m into it, a lot less than the £9m+ it sunk into the Circuit of Wales.

I'm really tempted to take a walk down to the Senedd next week with my best Straw Boater to tell them about this great idea I've got for a Monorail. All I'll need is a catchy tune and a business plan written in pure fiction and they'll award me (or rather my freshly registered Limited Company) millions of pounds to 'invest' in creating a bit of buzz in the media, I'll probably squeeze a bit more out of them a year later before the final Coup d'état, a very public begging letter or "opportunity to invest" in a venture that could't possibly succeed.
But main street's all cracked and broken!

Zadkiel

390 posts

147 months

Thursday 25th June 2020
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Ah that's a bit of a shame it's all over then. Good on them for trying, although I'm sure I wouldn't feel that way if it was my money they tipped down the drain. That offering has all the key words I am looking for when avoiding an investment. Pie in the sky dreams of how it could one day become huge. Do they really think they are fooling anyone with the idea they'll be selling so many TVRs they'll be setting up factories in other countries to make them? If anyone has a deposit with these guys get it back while you can.

shouldbworking

4,769 posts

213 months

Thursday 25th June 2020
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Wouldn't touch that with a stty stick.

Recession reducing demand? check
No ability to actually build cars currently? check
No suitable factory in which to actually build stuff? check
No real assets to secure bond against? check

Even if they did get the money I can't see how they would be building cars within 12 months

wfarrell

232 posts

221 months

Thursday 25th June 2020
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It's over before it even started :-/

Lee Jones Jnr

1,724 posts

171 months

Thursday 25th June 2020
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£25m doesn't sound like enough money to get a car company off the ground even if they raise it?

chelme

1,353 posts

171 months

Thursday 25th June 2020
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fblm said:
chelme said:
Haha. Twaddle? Speak for your self. As for the management? If the Germans thought the brand was worth saving, they"d buy it and manage it properly, like they have done with, let's see....how about Bentley, RR, oh and shall we add Jaguar Land Rover?! Why not...

Keep on sticking your head in the sand...there's a good lad.


Edited by chelme on Thursday 25th June 19:31
Dear god. There's obviously a bar somewhere in imminent danger of collapse without you leaning on it, boring everyone within earshot with your expertise.
And...what have you contributed to this discussion? F.u.c.k all. It's because you have nothing to contribute, but ste. And then you have the moment to project your own self on to others.

Oh...sorry, the one about TVR being compatible with EV power...so what was that, a copy and paste? What an idiot. The company is doomed. Get over it.


Edited by chelme on Thursday 25th June 23:48

darreni

3,801 posts

271 months

Thursday 25th June 2020
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Lee Jones Jnr said:
£25m doesn't sound like enough money to get a car company off the ground even if they raise it?
No, but it does sound like enough to keep the Directors in salaries & lunches for a few years until the loan is due to be repaid.

anonymous-user

55 months

Friday 26th June 2020
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chelme said:
And...what have you contributed to this discussion? F.u.c.k all. It's because you have nothing to contribute, but ste. And then you have the moment to project your own self on to others.

Oh...sorry, the one about TVR being compatible with EV power...so what was that, a copy and paste? What an idiot. The company is doomed. Get over it.


Edited by chelme on Thursday 25th June 23:48
hehe The quote is from the article you complete numpty. Of course it’s BS unless they were strategically holding back pretty much the only remarkable design feature it has (or doesn’t). rolleyes

Last orders dullard.

Hub

6,440 posts

199 months

Friday 26th June 2020
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shouldbworking said:
Wouldn't touch that with a stty stick.

Recession reducing demand? check
No ability to actually build cars currently? check
No suitable factory in which to actually build stuff? check
No real assets to secure bond against? check

Even if they did get the money I can't see how they would be building cars within 12 months
And - rapidly declining market/sector for product they want to build even without the greatest recession ever? Check



ntiz

2,343 posts

137 months

Friday 26th June 2020
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Hub said:
shouldbworking said:
Wouldn't touch that with a stty stick.

Recession reducing demand? check
No ability to actually build cars currently? check
No suitable factory in which to actually build stuff? check
No real assets to secure bond against? check

Even if they did get the money I can't see how they would be building cars within 12 months
And - rapidly declining market/sector for product they want to build even without the greatest recession ever? Check
Add in going to be legislated out of production in a few years in there core market place.

What could possibly go wrong.

jasonpaul

164 posts

163 months

Friday 26th June 2020
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Well I was going to put a deposit down, trouble is the car is looking dated already. Still not a fan of the looks of the car. Would you place 25million on a company with no real assets 🤔