RE: INEOS Grenadier officially unveiled
Discussion
skyrover said:
Does the Land Cruiser have a chassis cab option? Is it available as a SWB, LWB/double cab pickup?.
As a Hilux probably, i have seen new tippers for sale.Yes, Yes/HiluxThe Landcruiser is available as a basic commercial in swb & lwb, better spec commercial in swb & lwb. Also as a utility in swb & lwb with rear seats. I am looking at these currently and can’t decide what i need/want. They are reasonable price wise too.
MC Bodge said:
Sway said:
I've had a Swiss champ for over 20 years. At some point, every single thing on it has been pretty much the perfect option.
Combined with a leatherman wingman, my now middle aged home body needs are very well covered.
Do you wear a good utility belt to carry them around on your body? Combined with a leatherman wingman, my now middle aged home body needs are very well covered.
No! They're in the Christmas Guinness tin I've had for years that holds all the 'daily odds and sods'.
If I'm doing any DIY, then they'll both be in my pocket as I go and grab my tool bag.
blueST said:
And there’s nothing wrong with that, I’m a little like that myself, but not quite full on Spock levels of detached logic.
Don't get me wrong, I don't live in a shack or bunker in the woods or wear only army surplus kit. I just don't often buy things that I can't make use of. Edited by MC Bodge on Saturday 4th July 14:14
Had many Defenders over time, the last a late 2015 Landmark that I sold because of the developing situation with emissions - it was Euro 5. I miss it now and wish I'd kept it, but having seen the new Defender, it'll definately be the Grenadier for me. I think JLR have lost the plot with the new Defender - too much overlap with the new Disco for a start, that itself has been a little controversial in the looks department. I can't help but feel that the new Defender is contrived. Perhaps the designers lost sight of the design brief. Needs to be great looking, rugged, fit ...and reasonably priced.
I have no doubt that the INEOS Grenadier will be a tremendous success and that has to be good for UK automotive. I hope they are building a SWB model too.
Can't wait! Well done Jim Ratcliff. Britain needs a lot more like you. Great guy.
I have no doubt that the INEOS Grenadier will be a tremendous success and that has to be good for UK automotive. I hope they are building a SWB model too.
Can't wait! Well done Jim Ratcliff. Britain needs a lot more like you. Great guy.
I understand that sales will be online initially and through agricultural traders who already sell masses of tractors. Service will be by travelling spanner?? Seems a great idea as I would trust an agricultural agent far more than modern main agent garages. Show an old style tractor mechanic a widget and he knows where it fits and will probably give you it's life story. Show the same to a modern car mechanic and if he can't connect it to his computer and fit an expensive replacement unit he will be lost.
Clivey said:
If sales to posers are what makes it economically viable to produce, then so be it. At least those of us that would use it's ability have the choice of another suitable vehicle. 
Well said,I agree 100%..at last someone has stepped up to the plate [as some Yanks say]. and done what LR should have done some time ago, or at least appearance wise.I look forward to the road reviews etc which hopefully will be as good as it looks [I hope].MC Bodge said:
A standard Dacia Duster will wade enough for most scenarios and is good on loose surfaces. A heavier off-roader will cope with deeper/faster flowing floods, but if you are someone who doesn't need that capability for 364.5 days of the year, then why bother?
Oh simply because for those days of the year you do need it you really need it. I’m not saying the duster is a bad vehicle and if you are going through rivers it’s Probably fine. If you are out in floods though you don’t just want to make it and no more you want to make it with enough to spare and a lot of leeway. That would make me want more than 35cm which is what I think a duster has. Good enough for Most scenarios can be a bit of a problem if you go out say In iffy flooding or heavy snow make it ok but it’s still raining / snowing when you come back hours later and that bit of fording that was ok is now not ok anymore
I’m fairness most of the year it’s probably fine but I’ve driven 4x4s in iffy conditions I wouldn’t want to do in a softer suv. That’s what appeals to me about a ‘proper’ 4x4. That’s what I would pay the extra for a Grenadier for. I can’t think I’m the only one. There is quite a pull for a “will always get you there regardless vehicle” which is what I mean about there is probably a market for the person who wants the capability even if you rarely use it.
blueST said:
LimaDelta said:
To the above two posters, all well and good - so my follow up is, what does the Grenadier do that a Hilux (for example), or as you say a Landcruiser Commercial will not?
There are certain intangibles aren’t there? Sometimes people just like something more than something else, maybe because of the way it looks, feels or whatever. Maybe I just like Grenadiers flavour of marketing b
ks more that JLRs.IMHO the new LR Defender appeals to a different (and larger) audience. Those people are cross-shopping the Velar and Disco as well as the Defender, and want something with less curves, maybe something that looks like the old Disco. I think that a lot of people who skipped the latest Disco (because of its looks) will go for this.
AmitG said:
I think this is a good point. People are talking about the practical aspects of the Grenadier. But the real appeal will be emotional, not practical. People will buy it because it's an old-school off-roader with old-school looks and genuine off-roader credentials, but with cool looks, modern technology and reliability. So it's authentic, and different, without being a pain to live with (for the average person). It's a niche product. These people would also look at the G-Wagen and possibly the more upmarket road-going versions of the Wrangler.
IMHO the new LR Defender appeals to a different (and larger) audience. Those people are cross-shopping the Velar and Disco as well as the Defender, and want something with less curves, maybe something that looks like the old Disco. I think that a lot of people who skipped the latest Disco (because of its looks) will go for this.
Fleet buyers don’t care about “emotional appeal”. Commercial vehicles can’t be viable without them. IMHO the new LR Defender appeals to a different (and larger) audience. Those people are cross-shopping the Velar and Disco as well as the Defender, and want something with less curves, maybe something that looks like the old Disco. I think that a lot of people who skipped the latest Disco (because of its looks) will go for this.
AmitG said:
I think this is a good point. People are talking about the practical aspects of the Grenadier. But the real appeal will be emotional, not practical. People will buy it because it's an old-school off-roader with old-school looks and genuine off-roader credentials, but with cool looks, modern technology and reliability. So it's authentic, and different, without being a pain to live with (for the average person). It's a niche product. These people would also look at the G-Wagen and possibly the more upmarket road-going versions of the Wrangler.
IMHO the new LR Defender appeals to a different (and larger) audience. Those people are cross-shopping the Velar and Disco as well as the Defender, and want something with less curves, maybe something that looks like the old Disco. I think that a lot of people who skipped the latest Disco (because of its looks) will go for this.
I agree if it tugs the emotional tie and is relatively easy to live with day to day that ticks the same box that has sold wranglers for years particularly as they introduced the unlimited and now withy the new one apparently are getting more road and daily driver friendly. IMHO the new LR Defender appeals to a different (and larger) audience. Those people are cross-shopping the Velar and Disco as well as the Defender, and want something with less curves, maybe something that looks like the old Disco. I think that a lot of people who skipped the latest Disco (because of its looks) will go for this.
For example I had a 90 briefly which was a terrible on road daily driver, I had a Disco and Jeep both of which did all the off roadhouse stuff but was comfortable. If it’s modern and reliable and comfortable you’re giving up a lot less day to day to use one
Toaster Pilot said:
Fleet buyers don’t care about “emotional appeal”. Commercial vehicles can’t be viable without them.
Agreed, but Ineos are only talking about modest volumes and if 20 or 25% of sales can go to private buyer, that can only help.Are there any figures for how many HiLux, or VW T5 go to private buyers v fleet? Be interested to know.
blueST said:
Agreed, but Ineos are only talking about modest volumes and if 20 or 25% of sales can go to private buyer, that can only help.
Are there any figures for how many HiLux, or VW T5 go to private buyers v fleet? Be interested to know.
How many of the OLLI private buyers “never buy a new car, you lose a fortune” ?Are there any figures for how many HiLux, or VW T5 go to private buyers v fleet? Be interested to know.
Oh I see. No idea, but the leisure/lifestyle 4x4 world is a broad church, especially at an international level. Look at events like Overland Expo in the US and you can see there are a significant number of people spending large amounts on new and nearly new off road vehicles. It's not all £1500 rotten Discoveries.
To be clear, I'm not saying this enough to sustain the Grenadier by itself, but it is a useful market they can tap into.
To be clear, I'm not saying this enough to sustain the Grenadier by itself, but it is a useful market they can tap into.
If you really can forklift a pallet into the back, if it’s reliable, comfortable on long distances and easy to drive, has modern instrumentation and electronics, and is priced to compete with commercial vans I see a huge market. I’d buy one for company use in a flash. I run a Sprinter which is always getting stuck on the rough sites we go to, our 110 TD5 Defender has too small a load volume and is too slow and uncomfortable for long distances. Our Unimog works, but it’s too much of a beast for daily use. Could this thing solve all those problems?
Looks the part too, which is never a bad thing in business.
Cheers, Mark, Ribbands Explosives (UK).
Looks the part too, which is never a bad thing in business.
Cheers, Mark, Ribbands Explosives (UK).
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