RE: New e-tron S is the first fast Audi EV

[DonkeyApple]

Leon R said:

The niche being people who want a big premium suv and don't do regular 200 mile + trips without a break?

It’s not going to be 200 miles unless you’re a fully fledged member of the MG owners club amdninto hypermiling. You don’t really blow £100 on a big SUV to then cruise at 60 in the middle lane.

So you’re mileage is going to be notably less.

And here’s the kicker: who wants the hassle of having to plan a journey around finding a charger at the other end? If you’ve the income to finance one of these then you’re very unlikely to be of the frame of mind to be fannying about with that kind of marlarky.

And it is that that makes it a niche within a niche. Someone with money who either enjoys faffing about or who never really goes anywhere. Of course those people exist. Ares has stated that he fits this profile. What I am saying is that in the pricing segment they are not legion.

It’s why people are having to buy Tesla’s. For £100k you get a car that you can slap down the road at any speed you want into London. Dump it where you want and then run home whenever you want and however you want without reducing yourself to some kind of plug hunting nerd.

Tesla’s might not exactly be the nicest cars in their price segment and they might not exactly drive brilliantly but they don’t restrict you and inconvenience you.

[Leon R]

Can't know for sure what the real world range is until someone does a real world test.

[DonkeyApple]

Leon R said:

Can't know for sure what the real world range is until someone does a real world test.

Absolutely. But we are all smart enough to know it won’t be the number published and were also smart enough to know it will get absolutely hammered if you aren’t driving Miss Daisy.

I’ll wager that it won’t do London to Cotswolds return without needing to plan a recharge, without being stuck unable to use the car when at point B. It’s just a non starter for a typical high income, urban lifestyle so
You’re looking at an even smaller group who have the income but bizarrely stay provincial.

[Leon R]

Real world reviews of the Taycan seem to show it exceeding the quoted range in most publications.

[Ares]

DonkeyApple said:

Ares said:

You are missing the point if you think this is a big performance car. It's a warm EV SUV.

You would not need to look for chargers on a basic run, only on 200 mile+ trip that you would stop on anyway...and it brings a different form of convenience to those journeys.

I guess if you have a very parochial lifestyle and fill your own cars up etc. But regardless of how you try and spin it it is a niche product. It has inconveniences that few are interested in.

Its niche product status is not primarily down to its drivetrain though. The sportier SUV is a niche market itself. But the constraints you put-forward are not relevant. The inconveniences are merely in the minds of the luddite.

What is niche is someone that doesn't fill their own cars up?? I don't know anyone that has someone else fill their car up?? (except my wife.....!)

[Ares]

DonkeyApple said:

Leon R said:

The niche being people who want a big premium suv and don't do regular 200 mile + trips without a break?

It’s not going to be 200 miles unless you’re a fully fledged member of the MG owners club amdninto hypermiling. You don’t really blow £100 on a big SUV to then cruise at 60 in the middle lane.

So you’re mileage is going to be notably less.

And here’s the kicker: who wants the hassle of having to plan a journey around finding a charger at the other end? If you’ve the income to finance one of these then you’re very unlikely to be of the frame of mind to be fannying about with that kind of marlarky.

And it is that that makes it a niche within a niche. Someone with money who either enjoys faffing about or who never really goes anywhere. Of course those people exist. Ares has stated that he fits this profile. What I am saying is that in the pricing segment they are not legion.

It’s why people are having to buy Tesla’s. For £100k you get a car that you can slap down the road at any speed you want into London. Dump it where you want and then run home whenever you want and however you want without reducing yourself to some kind of plug hunting nerd.

Tesla’s might not exactly be the nicest cars in their price segment and they might not exactly drive brilliantly but they don’t restrict you and inconvenience you.

I can't think of any 100 mile+ journey I have taken in the last 2 years where there has not been charging facilities at the destination?? I have had plenty of occasions where I've spend over 30mins trying to find SUL petrol.

You also miss the point that this is not meant to rival the Ford Focus. It is not a car for the masses. As someone said pages ago, it is for someone that would look at a Tesla and want more refinement...or would look at a Sporty SUV and want the benefits of EV power.

[jagfan2]

DonkeyApple said:

It’s why people are having to buy Tesla’s. For £100k you get a car that you can slap down the road at any speed you want into London. Dump it where you want and then run home whenever you want and however you want without reducing yourself to some kind of plug hunting nerd.

Perhaps why destination charging is a thing now ? book hotel with charger outside (or find one nearby destination if not staying, sure said hotel wont mind £100k EV parked outside for the morning if you pay the parking ?) Not exactly challenging for someone to sort (as all the hotel search engines have it as a filter, so literally a 5 min job) and will be becoming more common in the near future

[SuperPav]

DonkeyApple said:

Leon R said:

Can't know for sure what the real world range is until someone does a real world test.

Absolutely. But we are all smart enough to know it won’t be the number published and were also smart enough to know it will get absolutely hammered if you aren’t driving Miss Daisy.

I’ll wager that it won’t do London to Cotswolds return without needing to plan a recharge, without being stuck unable to use the car when at point B. It’s just a non starter for a typical high income, urban lifestyle so
You’re looking at an even smaller group who have the income but bizarrely stay provincial.

I've driven the "standard" e-Tron, and averaged about 160-165 miles from 99% down to 5-10%. This was driving it 50% motorway, 50% Cotswolds B roads. Slightly more conservatively than I normally drive that commute in terms of speed, but certainly not slipstreaming lorries on the motorway, and with air con/audio etc. on normal settings.

For me that range would be just on the wrong side of acceptable (my commute is 75 miles each way). But if my commute was 50 miles, I'd much rather have the e-tron than a diesel Q7, so I can see it working. Most likely not as an only car for many unless you live in the city, but that can be said of most premium SUV's (most diesel Range Rover or X5 buyers aren't a one-car household either).