RE: Charger SRT is 'fastest saloon in the world'

[biggbn]

Wacky Racer said:

Want. Then I can pretend to be Barry Newman in Vanishing Point.

Shout!! What a film that was

[Nik Gnashers]

Raygun said:

[quote=Nik Gnashers

I really love the styling of German machinary.

Your pulling our fkin leg ain't yer?
Your quote - German cars look as bland as they come.

My reply : It's called having an opinion.
I have mine, and you have yours.
There is no right or wrong.

Edited by Nik Gnashers on Sunday 5th July 18:18

Edited by Nik Gnashers on Sunday 5th July 18:19

[Nik Gnashers]

TyrannosauRoss Lex said:

300bhp/ton said:

Centurion07 said:

Nik Gnashers said:

I really love the styling of German machinary...I do, however, think almost all American cars are absolutely hideous...

No bias there then...

Well such a wide sweeping statement is only really proof of a somewhat moronic reply. And again 100% demonstrates SturdyHSV’s earlier point.

Dismissing every car on the sole basis of its country origin, is boarderline racism.

I put one key work in bold, he quite clearly doesn't say every car. And his statement isn't borderline racist in the slightest

There are a couple I like, but few and far between.
I have an opinion on the looks of American cars, which I'm entitled to have, same as anyone.
But my opinion, according to the PH troll, is racist .....

[Nik Gnashers]

ZX10R NIN said:

Nik Gnashers said:

I agree.

PLENTY of BMW's and AUDI's, and probably MERCEDES could beat both the top speed, and quarter mile times, if they were delimited, and with 200 BHP less, so I don't see it as that impressive at all really, considering the BHP output.
It will be a cheap rattly interior, too.
Fitting drag radials LOL I bet they go round corners really well then NOT.
I guess, if you want a cheap, rattly, brick with a huge engine, which goes almost as fast as a handful of German machinary (but only in a straight line), and looks hideous then this is the exact car you need.
I'll stick with my refined, German machine, thanks.

Here's the thing the Charger Hellcat costs 72k in the US & comes loaded to spec an E63 to the same level will cost you 130k, I've not found them to be rattly but they are cheaper inside & so they should be with a nigh on 50k difference in price it's 30k (but that means 155 limiter) if you don't try to match the spec.

The Charger handles well some people are getting confused with the Challenger which comes with a drag pack the Charger will walk away from an RS6 in any roll on above 40mph

Thank you for the informative reply matey.

[donkmeister]

Well I like it, and I daily drive a V8 kraut. So there.

[leef44]

John Locke said:

Nik Gnashers said:

JakeT said:

I know this sounds a bit silly, but ~800hp for 203 MPH doesn't seem all that impressive.

A de-limited E50 M5 with 300 less BHP could do 205 MPH.

Does the Charger have much longer gearing? Or will the engine do more than 60k before it spins a bearing?

I agree.

PLENTY of BMW's and AUDI's, and probably MERCEDES could beat both the top speed, and quarter mile times, if they were delimited, and with 200 BHP less, so I don't see it as that impressive at all really, considering the BHP output.
It will be a cheap rattly interior, too.
Fitting drag radials LOL I bet they go round corners really well then NOT.
I guess, if you want a cheap, rattly, brick with a huge engine, which goes almost as fast as a handful of German machinary (but only in a straight line), and looks hideous then this is the exact car you need.
I'll stick with my refined, German machine, thanks.

Edited by Nik Gnashers on Friday 3rd July 18:22

Edited by Nik Gnashers on Friday 3rd July 18:22

ZX10R NIN said:

JakeT said:

I know this sounds a bit silly, but ~800hp for 203 MPH doesn't seem all that impressive.

A de-limited E50 M5 with 300 less BHP could do 205 MPH.

Does the Charger have much longer gearing? Or will the engine do more than 60k before it spins a bearing?

Those that delimited found that they couldn't get near that number but it did result in a fair few destroyed engines.

My experience of M5s is that they feel much faster than they really are, because of the noise and rubbish suspension, and that any attempt to use them to their limited full results in a £10k + bill.

I would take my chances with a Yank rather than a Kraut any day.

You're getting this all wrong. The Senna in the video managed only 159mph after quarter mile.

But above Gnashers is explaining how many Audis/BMW/Mercedes if delimited (because they are limited to 155 mph) could easily outperform many cars in a quarter mile i.e. they were held back by being speed limited.

I wonder how much faster than a Senna they would have been

[J4CKO]

I love stuff like this but interested to see how owners feel using them over here.

The drag racing potential is mentioned a lot, but what is the handling like, is the whole thing dominated by the massive power and torque, can you use them down country lanes in an enthusiastic manner ?

I sometimes feel that American cars are fantastic in the US but dont make much sense over here, though I know this isnt about sense, just wondering what the reality would be like in the UK ?

[anonymous-user]

Nik Gnashers said:

Raygun said:

[quote=Nik Gnashers

I really love the styling of German machinary.

Your pulling our fkin leg ain't yer?
Your quote - German cars look as bland as they come.

My reply : It's called having an opinion.
I have mine, and you have yours.
There is no right or wrong.

Edited by anonymous-user on Sunday 5th July 18:18

Edited by anonymous-user on Sunday 5th July 18:19

I'm always right, German cars look bland.

[alec.e]

John Locke said:

My experience of M5s is that they feel much faster than they really are, because of the noise and rubbish suspension, and that any attempt to use them to their limited full results in a £10k + bill.

I would take my chances with a Yank rather than a Kraut any day.

Completely disagree- they are faster than they feel. Take it from me as a owner - considerably faster than my old Jag over 100mph and far more stable at 155mph!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=byZiRsKncWo&t=...

[Ian974]

donkmeister said:

Well I like it, and I daily drive a V8 kraut. So there.

Indeed, this all seems oddly tribal.
Love my V8 Merc but would happily swap it for one of these beasts as well!

[unsprung]

The well-known specialist importer shows off its range of Challengers converted to RHD. If only RHD would be available direct from the factory.

Dodge Challenger Hellcat Right Hand Drive

https://youtu.be/G4UA-OFqRdI

The background music is so bad, it's good. Entertaining in its ill-suited presence. Challenger in a couple of different colours is shown, as well as a few juicy bits of audio on acceleration.

[supacool1]

Zetec-S said:

I’m sure there’s plenty of German cars which are quicker...

Just waiting for the 'Remapped 320D will piss all over it....' comment

[supacool1]

unsprung said:

The well-known specialist importer shows off its range of Challengers converted to RHD. If only RHD would be available direct from the factory.

Dodge Challenger Hellcat Right Hand Drive

https://youtu.be/G4UA-OFqRdI

The background music is so bad, it's good. Entertaining in its ill-suited presence. Challenger in a couple of different colours is shown, as well as a few juicy bits of audio on acceleration.

Sound on this video is terrible....random acceleration sounds mixed into casual driving.....

[Sandpit Steve]

J4CKO said:

I love stuff like this but interested to see how owners feel using them over here.

The drag racing potential is mentioned a lot, but what is the handling like, is the whole thing dominated by the massive power and torque, can you use them down country lanes in an enthusiastic manner ?

I sometimes feel that American cars are fantastic in the US but dont make much sense over here, though I know this isnt about sense, just wondering what the reality would be like in the UK ?

Amercian cars have come on leaps and bounds in recent years, not just in horsepower but also in handling. New Corvette has been keeping up with Caymans in US tests, it’s a proper sports car by any standards.

Yes, an 800bhp Challenger is going to be a straight-line dominated car, and is bigger and heavier than it looks. But it’s no fatter than say an S-class, and the Yanks don’t make them with live rear axles any more - so they do go round corners better than you’d think, if you swap the radials for more standard tyres.

Mustang in RHD is certainly fine in the UK, as will be the Corvette when it arrives. Wrong hand drive has it’s own challenges (or Challengers, if you prefer!) which make B-roads a little more diffficult if you have to do lots of passing.

[John Locke]

alec.e said:

Completely disagree- they are faster than they feel. Take it from me as a owner - considerably faster than my old Jag over 100mph and far more stable at 155mph!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=byZiRsKncWo&t=...

Interestingly, the youtube clip is of the exact model of M5 which I had; I suspect that 339 kmh is a figment of someone’s vivid imagination (by about 80 kmh), and some creative video software, or ecu settings. As for the mechanical integrity; engine failures at sub 50,000 miles and the suspension crashing over bumps regardless of mileage. A fast car, it’s true, but not nearly as fast as its reputation, and worse, a troublesome dog.

[alec.e]

John Locke said:

alec.e said:

Completely disagree- they are faster than they feel. Take it from me as a owner - considerably faster than my old Jag over 100mph and far more stable at 155mph!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=byZiRsKncWo&t=...

Interestingly, the youtube clip is of the exact model of M5 which I had; I suspect that 339 kmh is a figment of someone’s vivid imagination (by about 80 kmh), and some creative video software, or ecu settings. As for the mechanical integrity; engine failures at sub 50,000 miles and the suspension crashing over bumps regardless of mileage. A fast car, it’s true, but not nearly as fast as its reputation, and worse, a troublesome dog.

Faked video footage? Heard it all now
The way mine pulls to the indicated 170mph limiter, leaves me no doubt that it could hit 200mph with limiter removed.

FYI, my M6 doesn't crash over bumps and has been great for reliability.

I would say it's performance & dynamic reputation is accurate.

[MuscleSedan]

Brave winding that V10 round to 8k with the old chocolate big end shells

[J4CKO]

alec.e said:

John Locke said:

alec.e said:

Completely disagree- they are faster than they feel. Take it from me as a owner - considerably faster than my old Jag over 100mph and far more stable at 155mph!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=byZiRsKncWo&t=...

Interestingly, the youtube clip is of the exact model of M5 which I had; I suspect that 339 kmh is a figment of someone’s vivid imagination (by about 80 kmh), and some creative video software, or ecu settings. As for the mechanical integrity; engine failures at sub 50,000 miles and the suspension crashing over bumps regardless of mileage. A fast car, it’s true, but not nearly as fast as its reputation, and worse, a troublesome dog.

Faked video footage? Heard it all now
The way mine pulls to the indicated 170mph limiter, leaves me no doubt that it could hit 200mph with limiter removed.

FYI, my M6 doesn't crash over bumps and has been great for reliability.

I would say it's performance & dynamic reputation is accurate.

Just out of interest, where do you get it to go to the 170 mph limiter ?

An M135i will do almost 170 derestricted, Lotus Carltons had 376 bhp and did 176, so can imagine an M5/M6 with 500 bhp must be getting on for 200 ?

[MuscleSedan]

John Locke said:

alec.e said:

Completely disagree- they are faster than they feel. Take it from me as a owner - considerably faster than my old Jag over 100mph and far more stable at 155mph!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=byZiRsKncWo&t=...

Interestingly, the youtube clip is of the exact model of M5 which I had; I suspect that 339 kmh is a figment of someone’s vivid imagination (by about 80 kmh), and some creative video software, or ecu settings. As for the mechanical integrity; engine failures at sub 50,000 miles and the suspension crashing over bumps regardless of mileage. A fast car, it’s true, but not nearly as fast as its reputation, and worse, a troublesome dog.

Watched that clip, which was followed by Doug DeMuro

The E60 BMW M5 Is the Best Car You Should Never Own

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bCp_4uVtT-Y

[alec.e]

MuscleSedan said:

John Locke said:

alec.e said:

Completely disagree- they are faster than they feel. Take it from me as a owner - considerably faster than my old Jag over 100mph and far more stable at 155mph!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=byZiRsKncWo&t=...

Interestingly, the youtube clip is of the exact model of M5 which I had; I suspect that 339 kmh is a figment of someone’s vivid imagination (by about 80 kmh), and some creative video software, or ecu settings. As for the mechanical integrity; engine failures at sub 50,000 miles and the suspension crashing over bumps regardless of mileage. A fast car, it’s true, but not nearly as fast as its reputation, and worse, a troublesome dog.

Watched that clip, which was followed by Doug DeMuro

The E60 BMW M5 Is the Best Car You Should Never Own

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bCp_4uVtT-Y

Yes I watched the Doug DeMuro video before I bought mine, still bought it with no regrets!

If you are in North West, I will happily demonstrate 8,250rpm redline and the S6 gearchanges...

Edited by alec.e on Sunday 5th July 23:26