RE: Charger SRT is 'fastest saloon in the world'
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The bonnet of the CTS-V is carbon fibre. Its vents are functional as are the side vents on the front wings.
Cooling was a challenge. Engineers worked to ensure that degradation would not take over, when on track and/or in extreme summer weather.
This devotion to high-performance heat exchange reached its acme in the CTS-V's smaller sibling, the ATS-V:
"The Cadillac ATS-V's Cooling System Is A Masterpiece Of Engineering"
https://jalopnik.com/the-cadillac-ats-vs-cooling-s...
Edited by unsprung on Thursday 9th July 02:26
stickleback123 said:
I don't think anyone pays any attention to M5s and so on except for car people, do they? They look so similar to a street furniture 520d, which is kind of the point I thought? Hence the irony of badging your 520d up as an M5 - anyone who cares will know it's not an M5 and anyone who could possibly be fooled won't care anyway.
That Cadillac is trying so, so hard to stand out with addendum to what is a very conservative, extremely unremarkable silhouette and heavy handed detailing that it just looks silly and a bit desperate for attention, with no consideration of whether the tropey styling of that front bumper, grille, and bonnet fit even remotely with the shapes of the rest of the car (they don't). Just like an angry eyes bonnet and some fake vents on a FWD hatchback; it still looks like the utilitarian pudding it always was, but has lost any honesty of purpose in it's styling. The styling details that don't just look dopey on cars like this are things like flared arches to accommodate wider wheels integrated with the surfacing of the car, maybe aero additions to provide stability at speeds the cooking models cannot reach; these details have an honesty of purpose to them. Plastic fake vents? Not so much.
Loudly shouting for attention is just not cool, another brilliant example of this is a Lamborghini SUV thing compared to any one of their cars; the SUV is totally and utterly unremarkable is stance, proportions, and even it's overall silhouette so has to resort to tropey detailing and surfacing to stand out from the army of other SUVs out there. Their sports cars, being mid engined and needing to be stable at extremely high speeds, look as exotic as all hell and even if you take away all the tropey surfacing and detailing they still look as exotic as hell because a mid engined supercar has to look like that; honesty of purpose vs gimmicky tropes again.
I do vividly remember the first time I saw a current Honda Civic Type R in person; I was walking across a supermarket car park with a couple of women in their mid 20s when a Civic drove past and one of the women burst into laughter and said "look what that w
ker has done to his car, hahahaha", and they both laughed even more when I said they leave the factory looking like that. Not an uncommon reaction, I suspect.
Other opinions are, of course, available. I like many US performance cars very much and wish they were more accesible here; as I've said on this thread and others the engineering is usually to an excellent standard within a much more "everyman" budget and their longevity is excellent compared to the rolling hand grenades turned out by European manufacturers.
I like the CTS V the looks & chassis work so well the interior is lovely but making some of the controls do what you want takes a bit of technique but overall a great car.That Cadillac is trying so, so hard to stand out with addendum to what is a very conservative, extremely unremarkable silhouette and heavy handed detailing that it just looks silly and a bit desperate for attention, with no consideration of whether the tropey styling of that front bumper, grille, and bonnet fit even remotely with the shapes of the rest of the car (they don't). Just like an angry eyes bonnet and some fake vents on a FWD hatchback; it still looks like the utilitarian pudding it always was, but has lost any honesty of purpose in it's styling. The styling details that don't just look dopey on cars like this are things like flared arches to accommodate wider wheels integrated with the surfacing of the car, maybe aero additions to provide stability at speeds the cooking models cannot reach; these details have an honesty of purpose to them. Plastic fake vents? Not so much.
Loudly shouting for attention is just not cool, another brilliant example of this is a Lamborghini SUV thing compared to any one of their cars; the SUV is totally and utterly unremarkable is stance, proportions, and even it's overall silhouette so has to resort to tropey detailing and surfacing to stand out from the army of other SUVs out there. Their sports cars, being mid engined and needing to be stable at extremely high speeds, look as exotic as all hell and even if you take away all the tropey surfacing and detailing they still look as exotic as hell because a mid engined supercar has to look like that; honesty of purpose vs gimmicky tropes again.
I do vividly remember the first time I saw a current Honda Civic Type R in person; I was walking across a supermarket car park with a couple of women in their mid 20s when a Civic drove past and one of the women burst into laughter and said "look what that w
ker has done to his car, hahahaha", and they both laughed even more when I said they leave the factory looking like that. Not an uncommon reaction, I suspect. Other opinions are, of course, available. I like many US performance cars very much and wish they were more accesible here; as I've said on this thread and others the engineering is usually to an excellent standard within a much more "everyman" budget and their longevity is excellent compared to the rolling hand grenades turned out by European manufacturers.
Edited by stickleback123 on Tuesday 7th July 17:09
stickleback123 said:
...Lots of stuff...
Really appreciate the full reply, thanks 
Inclined to agree that the German stuff does tend to 'blend in' much better, in the Cadillac's defence I think it'd probably be largely as invisible as an M5 to the vast majority of the population (mid 20s girls especially) but I much better understand your point now with the fact it does look somewhat like 'bits stuck on' to what is otherwise just a large saloon shaped blob.
Personally, I quite like how it looks, but I see where you're coming from!
As you say, unless the fundamental shape of a car is obviously exotic (low / wide / wedgey) or expensive (enormous shiny SUV) then I think if it stands out enough for anyone (especially potential mates) to notice it they will just think it's a bit sad. I'm sure anyone with an 'interesting' car will be more than aware that you only really attract the attention of other car bores with it
Notanotherturbo said:
Andy83n said:
do Amercian Manufacturers still release power figures at the engine, not the wheels?
Nobody measures at the wheels for manufacturers figures that I know of - USA or EuropeCrikey there’s some people getting a bit shouty on here, insults seem to be the order of the day!
Let’s play nice and not insult each other, it might be a novel idea but how about intelligent discourse on the merits of the car or otherwise, rather than casting nasturtiums (sic) about perceived parentage..
Kind of bugs me that Yanks get a brand new SRT for the same price as a 4 year old 707bhp version costs here (yes yes I get the import tax, vat, shipping etc)
Would I have one?
If I could put up with the build quality then yes. And yes ahead of an M5 or E63.
Let’s play nice and not insult each other, it might be a novel idea but how about intelligent discourse on the merits of the car or otherwise, rather than casting nasturtiums (sic) about perceived parentage..
Kind of bugs me that Yanks get a brand new SRT for the same price as a 4 year old 707bhp version costs here (yes yes I get the import tax, vat, shipping etc)
Would I have one?
If I could put up with the build quality then yes. And yes ahead of an M5 or E63.
JakeT said:
I know this sounds a bit silly, but ~800hp for 203 MPH doesn't seem all that impressive.
A de-limited E50 M5 with 300 less BHP could do 205 MPH.
Does the Charger have much longer gearing? Or will the engine do more than 60k before it spins a bearing?
The M5 would lunch it's production engine getting to 205mph A de-limited E50 M5 with 300 less BHP could do 205 MPH.
Does the Charger have much longer gearing? Or will the engine do more than 60k before it spins a bearing?
There are Hellcats with over 100k for sale that haven't been rebuilt had new throttle bodies fitted to them. lol
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