RE: £75k supercars | Six of the Best
Discussion
DoubleD said:
NewNameNeeded said:
DoubleD said:
I personally dont view any Audi as being a supercar.
Go on, I'll bite. Why? Because it's an Audi? Can't really agree with you that a badge makes or breaks whether it's a supercar.
CaptainSensib1e said:
DoubleD said:
NewNameNeeded said:
DoubleD said:
I personally dont view any Audi as being a supercar.
Go on, I'll bite. Why? Because it's an Audi? Can't really agree with you that a badge makes or breaks whether it's a supercar.
Its an age old argument on here With regard to R8
I always sat on the ‘it is’ side tbh, it looked like one, was quick, impractical (boot size wise)
Maybe not ‘as’ supercar (i’m of the countach era) as some but still a supercar, then i was in the market for one with 80-120k to spend..
When you have the money to spend & you drive one then you start to appreciate why its not a supercar, the drive and sense of occasion is just too bland, It feels very similar to a TT, very capable, very safe handling but no character compared to Its rivals.
nothing to do with its badge, funnily enough i tested a McLaren to and this suffered similar (though had enough I think to be a supercar) tested a C7 Z06, ZL1 Comaro, both Bucket loads of drama and occasion but felt like a cheaper supercar alternative, nothing wrong with that but didnt want my car feel like a cheap alternative, maybe next time..
Controversially I ended up with a Mercedes AMG GT C roadster as it had more drama than both the R8 & McLaren for me, had no idea if it was a supercar or not, think i was after a grown up TVR tbh, its perfect for me & funnily.. Mercedes call it their current supercar, i dont think it is personally but Merc think it is.
Badges mean nothing to me until they make me feel uncomfortable, Lamborghini was my dream car growing up, always said that when i could afford one then id have one, when the reality of being able to afford one arrived, i knew i’d be uncomfortable driving one, says something about me and how the brand has changed i guess.
R8 isnt a supercar ‘because’ its an audi, it isnt a supercar because it doesnt feel like one, drive one, then drive a Ferrari, Lamborghini, Pagani etc And you’ll get why its not.
I always sat on the ‘it is’ side tbh, it looked like one, was quick, impractical (boot size wise)
Maybe not ‘as’ supercar (i’m of the countach era) as some but still a supercar, then i was in the market for one with 80-120k to spend..
When you have the money to spend & you drive one then you start to appreciate why its not a supercar, the drive and sense of occasion is just too bland, It feels very similar to a TT, very capable, very safe handling but no character compared to Its rivals.
nothing to do with its badge, funnily enough i tested a McLaren to and this suffered similar (though had enough I think to be a supercar) tested a C7 Z06, ZL1 Comaro, both Bucket loads of drama and occasion but felt like a cheaper supercar alternative, nothing wrong with that but didnt want my car feel like a cheap alternative, maybe next time..
Controversially I ended up with a Mercedes AMG GT C roadster as it had more drama than both the R8 & McLaren for me, had no idea if it was a supercar or not, think i was after a grown up TVR tbh, its perfect for me & funnily.. Mercedes call it their current supercar, i dont think it is personally but Merc think it is.
Badges mean nothing to me until they make me feel uncomfortable, Lamborghini was my dream car growing up, always said that when i could afford one then id have one, when the reality of being able to afford one arrived, i knew i’d be uncomfortable driving one, says something about me and how the brand has changed i guess.
R8 isnt a supercar ‘because’ its an audi, it isnt a supercar because it doesnt feel like one, drive one, then drive a Ferrari, Lamborghini, Pagani etc And you’ll get why its not.
Pvapour said:
Its an age old argument on here With regard to R8
I always sat on the ‘it is’ side tbh, it looked like one, was quick, impractical (boot size wise)
Maybe not ‘as’ supercar (i’m of the countach era) as some but still a supercar, then i was in the market for one with 80-120k to spend..
When you have the money to spend & you drive one then you start to appreciate why its not a supercar, the drive and sense of occasion is just too bland, It feels very similar to a TT, very capable, very safe handling but no character compared to Its rivals.
nothing to do with its badge, funnily enough i tested a McLaren to and this suffered similar (though had enough I think to be a supercar) tested a C7 Z06, ZL1 Comaro, both Bucket loads of drama and occasion but felt like a cheaper supercar alternative, nothing wrong with that but didnt want my car feel like a cheap alternative, maybe next time..
Controversially I ended up with a Mercedes AMG GT C roadster as it had more drama than both the R8 & McLaren for me, had no idea if it was a supercar or not, think i was after a grown up TVR tbh, its perfect for me & funnily.. Mercedes call it their current supercar, i dont think it is personally but Merc think it is.
Badges mean nothing to me until they make me feel uncomfortable, Lamborghini was my dream car growing up, always said that when i could afford one then id have one, when the reality of being able to afford one arrived, i knew i’d be uncomfortable driving one, says something about me and how the brand has changed i guess.
R8 isnt a supercar ‘because’ its an audi, it isnt a supercar because it doesnt feel like one, drive one, then drive a Ferrari, Lamborghini, Pagani etc And you’ll get why its not.
I think that you have put it better than I did. It just seems to lack the drama and exotic feel of other cars. So I guess its not the badge as such, its more the people who make it. I always sat on the ‘it is’ side tbh, it looked like one, was quick, impractical (boot size wise)
Maybe not ‘as’ supercar (i’m of the countach era) as some but still a supercar, then i was in the market for one with 80-120k to spend..
When you have the money to spend & you drive one then you start to appreciate why its not a supercar, the drive and sense of occasion is just too bland, It feels very similar to a TT, very capable, very safe handling but no character compared to Its rivals.
nothing to do with its badge, funnily enough i tested a McLaren to and this suffered similar (though had enough I think to be a supercar) tested a C7 Z06, ZL1 Comaro, both Bucket loads of drama and occasion but felt like a cheaper supercar alternative, nothing wrong with that but didnt want my car feel like a cheap alternative, maybe next time..
Controversially I ended up with a Mercedes AMG GT C roadster as it had more drama than both the R8 & McLaren for me, had no idea if it was a supercar or not, think i was after a grown up TVR tbh, its perfect for me & funnily.. Mercedes call it their current supercar, i dont think it is personally but Merc think it is.
Badges mean nothing to me until they make me feel uncomfortable, Lamborghini was my dream car growing up, always said that when i could afford one then id have one, when the reality of being able to afford one arrived, i knew i’d be uncomfortable driving one, says something about me and how the brand has changed i guess.
R8 isnt a supercar ‘because’ its an audi, it isnt a supercar because it doesnt feel like one, drive one, then drive a Ferrari, Lamborghini, Pagani etc And you’ll get why its not.
DoubleD said:
Pvapour said:
Its an age old argument on here With regard to R8
I always sat on the ‘it is’ side tbh, it looked like one, was quick, impractical (boot size wise)
Maybe not ‘as’ supercar (i’m of the countach era) as some but still a supercar, then i was in the market for one with 80-120k to spend..
When you have the money to spend & you drive one then you start to appreciate why its not a supercar, the drive and sense of occasion is just too bland, It feels very similar to a TT, very capable, very safe handling but no character compared to Its rivals.
nothing to do with its badge, funnily enough i tested a McLaren to and this suffered similar (though had enough I think to be a supercar) tested a C7 Z06, ZL1 Comaro, both Bucket loads of drama and occasion but felt like a cheaper supercar alternative, nothing wrong with that but didnt want my car feel like a cheap alternative, maybe next time..
Controversially I ended up with a Mercedes AMG GT C roadster as it had more drama than both the R8 & McLaren for me, had no idea if it was a supercar or not, think i was after a grown up TVR tbh, its perfect for me & funnily.. Mercedes call it their current supercar, i dont think it is personally but Merc think it is.
Badges mean nothing to me until they make me feel uncomfortable, Lamborghini was my dream car growing up, always said that when i could afford one then id have one, when the reality of being able to afford one arrived, i knew i’d be uncomfortable driving one, says something about me and how the brand has changed i guess.
R8 isnt a supercar ‘because’ its an audi, it isnt a supercar because it doesnt feel like one, drive one, then drive a Ferrari, Lamborghini, Pagani etc And you’ll get why its not.
I think that you have put it better than I did. It just seems to lack the drama and exotic feel of other cars. So I guess its not the badge as such, its more the people who make it. I always sat on the ‘it is’ side tbh, it looked like one, was quick, impractical (boot size wise)
Maybe not ‘as’ supercar (i’m of the countach era) as some but still a supercar, then i was in the market for one with 80-120k to spend..
When you have the money to spend & you drive one then you start to appreciate why its not a supercar, the drive and sense of occasion is just too bland, It feels very similar to a TT, very capable, very safe handling but no character compared to Its rivals.
nothing to do with its badge, funnily enough i tested a McLaren to and this suffered similar (though had enough I think to be a supercar) tested a C7 Z06, ZL1 Comaro, both Bucket loads of drama and occasion but felt like a cheaper supercar alternative, nothing wrong with that but didnt want my car feel like a cheap alternative, maybe next time..
Controversially I ended up with a Mercedes AMG GT C roadster as it had more drama than both the R8 & McLaren for me, had no idea if it was a supercar or not, think i was after a grown up TVR tbh, its perfect for me & funnily.. Mercedes call it their current supercar, i dont think it is personally but Merc think it is.
Badges mean nothing to me until they make me feel uncomfortable, Lamborghini was my dream car growing up, always said that when i could afford one then id have one, when the reality of being able to afford one arrived, i knew i’d be uncomfortable driving one, says something about me and how the brand has changed i guess.
R8 isnt a supercar ‘because’ its an audi, it isnt a supercar because it doesnt feel like one, drive one, then drive a Ferrari, Lamborghini, Pagani etc And you’ll get why its not.
I think what you are probably getting at, is the WAY it's been made. I don't think many will argue that the R8 was a bit clinical and a bit 'safe' in its initial V8 guise. Even made a 911 look like a more exciting sports car. But as it's matured and particularly in recent V10 config I would suggest it's not quite as staid as it first seemed.
The R8 blurs the lines between sports and super. Same as the 911 does (or perhaps did). I would feel wrong describing a GT3RS as a supercar, for example. It has nothing to do with the Porsche badge or the 'people who make it' - it's to do with the conception we have in our heads of what makes a supercar and what doesn't.
When I was a lad (yes, I said it!!), a supercar looked like a spaceship - they were low and wide and wedge-shaped, had huge engines and made a lot of noise and were very fast. They were the output of what happens when a manufacturer produced with their hearts and not their heads.
It's not a quantifiable thing, really - it's different things to different people.
But I would say this - Lotus make sports cars (in my head). Does that mean the Evija is not a hypercar??
PhantomPH said:
I don't think many will argue that the R8 was a bit clinical and a bit 'safe' in its initial V8 guise. Even made a 911 look like a more exciting sports car. But as it's matured and particularly in recent V10 config I would suggest it's not quite as staid as it first seemed.
That's the complete opposite of many R8 reviews. Evo have repeatedly stated that in their opinion the best R8 of all generations is the original R8 V8 in manual form. The V10 has more power but not quite as well balanced, and the 2nd generation has a more tied down chassis at the expense of adjustabiliy.Pvapour said:
R8 isnt a supercar ‘because’ its an audi, it isnt a supercar because it doesnt feel like one, drive one, then drive a Ferrari, Lamborghini, Pagani etc And you’ll get why its not.
By that rationale, nothing that can be bought new today is a "supercar" compared to literally anything you could have bought new in 1975. Everything new is sanitised to buggery by comparison - traction control, super-sophisticated ECU's that prevent you flooding and stalling, ABS, servoe'd everything, massive improvements in NVH, climate control and drive protection, you name it. A Uracco or a 275 GTB or Pantera or something like that would be loud, twitchy, smell of fuel, boil you alive in the cramped cabin, give your forearms and left thigh a workout, deafen you in one ear but by God would you remember it. You would slip into a modern McLaren for a bit of respite on the journey home!Dapster said:
Pvapour said:
R8 isnt a supercar ‘because’ its an audi, it isnt a supercar because it doesnt feel like one, drive one, then drive a Ferrari, Lamborghini, Pagani etc And you’ll get why its not.
By that rationale, nothing that can be bought new today is a "supercar" compared to literally anything you could have bought new in 1975. Everything new is sanitised to buggery by comparison - traction control, super-sophisticated ECU's that prevent you flooding and stalling, ABS, servoe'd everything, massive improvements in NVH, climate control and drive protection, you name it. A Uracco or a 275 GTB or Pantera or something like that would be loud, twitchy, smell of fuel, boil you alive in the cramped cabin, give your forearms and left thigh a workout, deafen you in one ear but by God would you remember it. You would slip into a modern McLaren for a bit of respite on the journey home!
and the R8 not feeling like a supercar in comparison.Someone said (like i did when i tested) its a safe drive and purchase as it has audi reliability, those attributes aren't where you should focus when building a supercar imo, the difficult one for me was the McLaren, totally a supercar but standing there with the money in your pocket, It lacked the drama to make me part, a bit R8 if i’m honest, too much drama and i was uncomortable
i thought buying would be easy once you had the money but its very very different, your (mine) far more demanding of what you expect when youve waited so long and had so many ph cars.Completely happy with my choice though, so theres one for everyone!
Olivera said:
PhantomPH said:
I don't think many will argue that the R8 was a bit clinical and a bit 'safe' in its initial V8 guise. Even made a 911 look like a more exciting sports car. But as it's matured and particularly in recent V10 config I would suggest it's not quite as staid as it first seemed.
That's the complete opposite of many R8 reviews. Evo have repeatedly stated that in their opinion the best R8 of all generations is the original R8 V8 in manual form. The V10 has more power but not quite as well balanced, and the 2nd generation has a more tied down chassis at the expense of adjustabiliy.
Ha ha. JONSCZ said:
for £75k, you could get either of these 2 fantastic Corvettes -
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/CHEVROLET-CORVETTE-ZR1-...
or
https://www.ianallanvirginiawater.co.uk/chevrolet-...
(yes, I am a bit biased...
)
Wow, I had no idea the C6 interior was so plain, no wonder the step up to the C7 was described as a massive improvement. https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/CHEVROLET-CORVETTE-ZR1-...
or
https://www.ianallanvirginiawater.co.uk/chevrolet-...
(yes, I am a bit biased...
)Edited by JONSCZ on Sunday 5th July 20:14
ddom said:
Why include a C6, and not consider the C7, with a proper gearbox? Of course there is one older lesser spotted car which will actually give them all a bloody nose and leave change for upgrades, the Noble M12.
Out of that bunch it’s the 360 for me, with the McLaren about half a pint behind. I do love Mclaren’s, and Ferrari’s.
Not a bad choice in that bunch, just depends how practical, how many cars you have already, and what the budget is for keeping them on the road.
Interesting you say that, I've got a C7 Z06 and my brother has a Noble M12! We'll both be at Goodwood this Friday, I'm hoping I'll give him a better run for this money now that I know the track a bit better (I've been once, he's been several times, he was comfortably quicker last time) Out of that bunch it’s the 360 for me, with the McLaren about half a pint behind. I do love Mclaren’s, and Ferrari’s.
Not a bad choice in that bunch, just depends how practical, how many cars you have already, and what the budget is for keeping them on the road.
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