RE: First Aston Martin DB5 Goldfinger completed

[dbs2000]

DanielSan said:

Aston can't make the car road legal from the factory due to the legal issues of producing a 'new car built to 60's safety standards. What you can do though is take it to RML who will IVA it for you and then it can be used on the road. Along with your Vulcan at the same time if sir wishes....

Or just buy a DB5 and keep the change?

[OLDBENZ]

DanielSan said:

Chubbyross said:

bakes said:

So not road legal and not something for a track...where can you ever use this? It seems such a waste of beautiful craftsmanship to be a static object.

This is my issue as well. The original was and is such a thing of beauty. It’s like sticking a comedy moustache on the Mona Lisa.

Aston can't make the car road legal from the factory due to the legal issues of producing a 'new car built to 60's safety standards. What you can do though is take it to RML who will IVA it for you and then it can be used on the road. Along with your Vulcan at the same time if sir wishes....

Although presumably to have it IVA'd you will need to disable/remove a lot of those toys. I do have trouble with the maths on the Bond DB5. At £3.3 million it is over double the £1.5 million asked for the DB4 GT Continuation a couple of years ago. On the basis that they are fundamentally the same car that means you are paying £1.8 million for the simulated gadgets. I would rather have two of the DB4 GT Continuations (one for everyday and one for 'best') and £300k left over for RML to IVA them OR, better still, have a real DB4 GT (or 4 real DB5s).... All that said, I am pleased that these things exist.

[Burnham]

Brilliant! These must have been great fun for the guys at Aston to have built.

Probably many childhood dreams come true.

[bloomen]

dbs2000 said:

Or just buy a DB5 and keep the change?

Buy a DB5 and clone the numbers. Job jobbed. There's probably an Aston 'black department' that does it for you.

[pbe624]

Would be interesting to have the breakdown of the manhours spent on building the car versus the addition of the 'toys'.

Then maybe they could make a case for building more 'new' DB5 models without the toys for a 'reasonable' price and roadworthy....

I am sure that will attract a lot more interest.

However, as suggested before, due to regulations, not sure if the same design can be kept, as it may not protect EU pedestrians in case of collision as much as a new Mini...

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[chelme]

hu8742 said:

This is probably a question for another thread, but does anyone else think the James Bond franchise should sack AML and choose a Bentley, like the early books? I think the new Conti has lost its original footballers car tag and is actually pretty classy. Just think what it would do to Aston as a business without that cow to milk.

Nah, he would be driving a VW in drag and those who know about cars would appreciate as much. ;-)

An electric Lotus Evija though? Why not!

[JxJ Jr.]

oilit said:

I would argue that it's not just old men who like James Bond. Go to the cinema when the new bond movies launch - its young kids as well....

That's a different matter though because that's young people watching a new film which Aston can continue doing with new models, even if some see it as tacky. Goldfinger (and this) would appeal most to baby boomers who were young at the time, as you go through the following generations the appeal weakens, the film looks increasingly crude and slapstick even, the car increasingly like what dad, grand dad and great grand dad would drive.

[J4CKO]

sdiggle said:

A fool and his money......

Yes, I am sure plenty of fools are selling the family home and borrowing up to the hilt to buy these.....

Or, maybe it is being bought by folk who have plenty of money and think it will be a nice thing to have ?

Its a daft thing to say, usually said by people who also say "More money than sense", the great thing about having loads of money I expect is not having to do everything based on need/value, and just on want, then possibly sticking it in a garage and not thinking much about it. the really clever bit being, at some point if the fool sells it, another foll might give them more money for it than they paid as they are an even bigger fool.


But, who is the fool ? must have done something right to be spending all that money on something like that ?

[chelme]

J4CKO said:

sdiggle said:

A fool and his money......

Yes, I am sure plenty of fools are selling the family home and borrowing up to the hilt to buy these.....

Or, maybe it is being bought by folk who have plenty of money and think it will be a nice thing to have ?

Its a daft thing to say, usually said by people who also say "More money than sense", the great thing about having loads of money I expect is not having to do everything based on need/value, and just on want, then possibly sticking it in a garage and not thinking much about it. the really clever bit being, at some point if the fool sells it, another foll might give them more money for it than they paid as they are an even bigger fool.


But, who is the fool ? must have done something right to be spending all that money on something like that ?

I get your point. Its fair to say what you have said with respect to those who have earned their money...

We do not need to look far to see that having lots of money and being a fool is not mutually exclusive however; just have a look outside Harrods on a weekend evening, or further afield to Monaco...for example, just because the dad made it, does not mean they will follow in his footsteps... ;-)

Its also not at all straighforward to presume accurately, whether this will attract a foolish person. As you said above, I doubt it will.

Edited by chelme on Monday 6th July 16:18

[NGK210]

How to devalue and trivialise your brand in one fell swoop.
I know it’s a legacy project, but they could’ve re-focused and dialled back on the cheesy quotes.
Or is this the future of Aston under the ownership of the shyster rag trader – a purveyor of glorified film props that trade on past glories?

Edited by NGK210 on Monday 6th July 16:52

[williamp]

The story of two of the original four is great. Bought from Pinewood in the lats 60s for, about the same as a new austin 1100....kept a few years then swapped one for a Ferrari 250GTO and keep the other.

[MHWM5]

I don't know what all this not being road legal fuss is about. Corgi never made theirs road legal either and people still bought them as toys.

[Car_Nut]

With the greatest respect, I think that most of you are missing the point - how many 'blue chip' classic cars bought these days are actually driven - they are purchased as an investment, and sit in air conditioned storage units from one year's end to the next, only being reconditioned for sale - which consists of some classic car journalist being allowed to drive it for 10 miles in exchange for some puff piece - of which we have seen all too many - PH included.

So for the target market it is supremely irrelevant whether it can be driven on the road or not - the only issue is whether it can be sold as investment. If enough people with the wherewithal and inclination believe that it is, it will be a success for AML, if they don't it will be a flop.

It is hard to predict where the market will go - on one hand one can argue that there is gross oversupply at the top end of the market, making a crash inevitable, on the other one can argue that the amount invested in classic cars is a tiny proportion of the amount squandered on modern art - Jeff Koons anyone? In discussing the issue one needs to be very careful to disentangle the uber blue chip end (vintage Bugatti's, Ferrari 250 GTOs, McLaren F1s, etc), from more accessible cars that are dragged along by it (Porsche 911, Jaguar E-Type, etc) - as ever when the market catches a chill it is the hoi-polloi who take the fall not those at the top. The crucial issue is where does this car fit within the pecking order?

IMHO though a piece of automotive kitsch.

[Steve loves Esprit]

housen said:

dont balme aston

blame eu regs

Come on! We have 2020 and Britain is ruled by Britain now. Anyway, England will have ECV only rules in place long before EU will think about it.

But seriously, highly likely the potential customers are in US, the Middle East and Asia /Japan and they have to deal with their governments.

Guess how much they care about EU-reg?

[J4CKO]

chelme said:

J4CKO said:

sdiggle said:

A fool and his money......

Yes, I am sure plenty of fools are selling the family home and borrowing up to the hilt to buy these.....

Or, maybe it is being bought by folk who have plenty of money and think it will be a nice thing to have ?

Its a daft thing to say, usually said by people who also say "More money than sense", the great thing about having loads of money I expect is not having to do everything based on need/value, and just on want, then possibly sticking it in a garage and not thinking much about it. the really clever bit being, at some point if the fool sells it, another foll might give them more money for it than they paid as they are an even bigger fool.


But, who is the fool ? must have done something right to be spending all that money on something like that ?

I get your point. Its fair to say what you have said with respect to those who have earned their money...

We do not need to look far to see that having lots of money and being a fool is not mutually exclusive however; just have a look outside Harrods on a weekend evening, or further afield to Monaco...for example, just because the dad made it, does not mean they will follow in his footsteps... ;-)

Its also not at all straighforward to presume accurately, whether this will attract a foolish person. As you said above, I doubt it will.

Edited by chelme on Monday 6th July 16:18

Definitely, but the thing is, its "A fool and their money are easily parted", it implies thats all of it, the actual saying to apply in this case would need to be "A Fool and a very small percentage of their money are easily parted, not that it matters much".

Must be fantastic to be able to afford to be a fool !

Was watching a video earlier, two Ferraris owned by a PHer, that "fool", parted with like 500k for that pair, the plonker ! Thing is they are worth way more now, not always the case but if you think of it they are far better value than a Dacia, top consumer advice there, only any use if you have a few hundred grand spare and are on Ferraris Christmas card list though,

[bloomen]

Car_Nut said:

With the greatest respect, I think that most of you are missing the point - how many 'blue chip' classic cars bought these days are actually driven - they are purchased as an investment, and sit in air conditioned storage units from one year's end to the next, only being reconditioned for sale - which consists of some classic car journalist being allowed to drive it for 10 miles in exchange for some puff piece - of which we have seen all too many - PH included.

So for the target market it is supremely irrelevant whether it can be driven on the road or not - the only issue is whether it can be sold as investment. If enough people with the wherewithal and inclination believe that it is, it will be a success for AML, if they don't it will be a flop.

Some day all ICE cars will be nothing but 'art' and maybe anything not self driving won't be allowed outside of quaint events on private land.

Considering these are several times more than an original I wonder what their future will be, near and far. Offloading one a couple of years down the line may produce a rude surprise.

[drpep]

J4CKO said:

sdiggle said:

A fool and his money......

Yes, I am sure plenty of fools are selling the family home and borrowing up to the hilt to buy these.....

Or, maybe it is being bought by folk who have plenty of money and think it will be a nice thing to have ?

Its a daft thing to say, usually said by people who also say "More money than sense", the great thing about having loads of money I expect is not having to do everything based on need/value, and just on want, then possibly sticking it in a garage and not thinking much about it. the really clever bit being, at some point if the fool sells it, another foll might give them more money for it than they paid as they are an even bigger fool.


But, who is the fool ? must have done something right to be spending all that money on something like that ?

Here here. What's with all the miserable clap-trap about how it's devaluing the brand and "waaaaa its a waste".

What a fantastic thing this is! As said here, anyone wealthy enough to drop £3m+ on a toy obviously did something right (or their parents did).

Very glad these exist, however fanciful and ridiculous they may be.

[gt6]

as for where you can drive it, i suggest that if you can afford it you can afford to buy a country and declare it road legal there, problem solved

[Algarve]

virgilio said:

Idiocies like this make me think punitive taxation is a good thing.

Can you imagine the kind of person throwing 3 million quid at an undriveable fake old car with fake glowing machine guns?
Somebody compared it to buying a monet; methinks it is more akin to buying a gold toilet with a broken flush.

Edited by virgilio on Monday 6th July 13:53

And yet if we click your profile we see a bunch of ropey old cars that make no financial sense at all. Presumably you just liked them and could afford them?

The purchaser of this DB5 is the exact same as you, but with money.

[Cold]

I love the smell of salty PH tears in the morning.