RE: 2020 Polestar 2 | PH Review

[jason61c]

wiffmaster said:

Looks much nicer than a Tesla and the interior will definitely be better (saying that as a Tesla owner). Shame it's so slow (4.7 is pretty crap when it's supposed to be the EV party-piece) and the lack of charging infrastructure means range-anxiety will be an issue. Not a bad first effort, though.

thats because the tesla mindset is about 'stats'. 4.7 was a 'target', what car have said it'll do it in 4.5(tested), i'm sure if you do the standing on the brakes trick, it'll be quicker still.

So its as fast as the mid spec model 3.

[emperorburger]

nicfaz said:

So your argument is that manufacturers shouldn't bother with performance parts at all? Let's all drive cars with 185/55R16's to save money and rolling resistance. It would make them more pothole resistant too, important on today's rubbish roads. In fact, if we're going down that road then we can sack off all private cars and just have Apple / Google drive us round in autonomous pods. We could even have a beer at the time. Bargain!

Not my argument. You are just avoiding the question.

[imuir]

Makes me feel cold about the future of motoring. So bland in every way. Lets stick an Ipad on the dash to make it look modern NOT

[browellm]

kambites said:

Depends which model you compare it to. It's £4k more than a long range Model-3 with similar performance and less range. The only Tesla which is faster is also considerably more expensive.

The closest comparison seems to be with the M3LR. The Polestar hasa 15% shorter range and costs £4k more. On the other hand it looks better (at lest to my eyes), one has to imagine Polestar will have better production line quality control (although Tesla are improving) and the interior is by all accounts far nicer than the Tesla's.

It is not 4k more. It is the same price as the LR.

Incredible how many people have got this wrong.

[nicfaz]

emperorburger said:

nicfaz said:

So your argument is that manufacturers shouldn't bother with performance parts at all? Let's all drive cars with 185/55R16's to save money and rolling resistance. It would make them more pothole resistant too, important on today's rubbish roads. In fact, if we're going down that road then we can sack off all private cars and just have Apple / Google drive us round in autonomous pods. We could even have a beer at the time. Bargain!

Not my argument. You are just avoiding the question.

Well you were responding to my factual corrections of your posts with more incorrect b*ll*cks, so I thought I would play the "post random b*ll*cks" game instead. It seemed like more fun and you don't seem up for facts or reasoned discussion.

[DRGAZZA]

As this is a Volvo related brand is it not subject to Volvo's new self imposed 180kmh / 112mph speed limit built into all there MY2021 cars?

[Dale487]

AnotherClarkey said:

Dale487 said:

Ok the Polestar is the third cheapest 400PS car.

Technically the Audi is only 394.5BHP and the 2 is 402BHP.

I actually think the Polestar, RS2, A45S & V8 Mustang (maybe the 135i but that's only 380bhp) would make a good group test - the 400 Club.

Shouldn't the dull old Long Range Model 3 slip in there too with 443bhp for £47000?

Sounds like it - I thought we'd just got a 2 car range in the UK (Standard at under £40K & Performance at over £50K) - plus I didn't realise the 3 Long Range had so much power.

And yes we can add it into the 400 Club group test.

Edited by Dale487 on Friday 10th July 13:10

[wiffmaster]

jason61c said:

thats because the tesla mindset is about 'stats'. 4.7 was a 'target', what car have said it'll do it in 4.5(tested), i'm sure if you do the standing on the brakes trick, it'll be quicker still.

So its as fast as the mid spec model 3.

Agreed - it's comparable to the Model 3 Long Range. But the reason we went for the Model 3 Performance, was that its performance more than makes up for the lack of engine character / noise / soul. The Polestar has the disadvantages of an EV (lack of characterful engine) without the performance to make up for it.

It looks good, it'll be well screwed together and given the infotainment is Google, it should give Tesla's UX a run for its money. But it's too slow - release a performance version for another £10k that does 0-60 in around 3.0 - then it'll be interesting.

[emperorburger]

nicfaz said:

Well you were responding to my factual corrections of your posts with more incorrect b*ll*cks, so I thought I would play the "post random b*ll*cks" game instead. It seemed like more fun and you don't seem up for facts or reasoned discussion.

Once you can make a factual correction, I will be all ears. How are you finding the 3P vs the LR on the track. What's the drift mode like? Where did you use it?

[jagfan2]

Konrod said:

One of the biggest drawbacks I think will be that once we get more electric cars there will be a lack of charging points as they will be hogged - for example, at a shopping centre someone parks up at a charging point, the charge takes 30 minutes but they are in the centre for two hours which is 90 minutes of time the charger could have been used by anyone else, but can't. perhaps 4 spaces per charge point and when a car hits 80% charge it ejects the plug, or sends the owner a text message when completed and if not disconnected in 15 minutes starts to take energy back out of the batteries.

There is still so much structural change that hasn't been considered yet.

Agree its a flaw, many do charge for overstaying now, inc Tesla, which is the easiest punitive measure to encourage efficient use.

But 50% + of people will have low cost home charging, so wont need to charge at the shops, and probably 50% either wont need to charge or wont want to pay the price there, so suddenly the requirement is 1/4 EV's may want to charge not every one

[jagfan2]

RemarkLima said:

We had an i3 and now a M3 LR - one thing I would say about the Model 3 is that the handling and steering feedback is absolutely bob on, I'm always really surprised by just how neatly it handles. Sure it'll never be a v8 monster, but then neither will a 318d or Nissan Micra.

I checked out about every EV as an alternative for replacing the i3 and basically nothing was available or ready to order (Polestar 2, VW iD3), poor range (Audi e-Tron) or a "fashionable" SUV with no boot space (Jag iPace).

The iPace has more boot space than the Model 3, and easier access , as does the P2 - note hatch volumes measure to window line not total volume

Saloon boot and awkward opening is one of my major issues in looking at Mod3, no easy way to throw a couple of kids bikes or my bike in the back, and no practical roof bar option either, and the Model Y is just horrible to look at.

Am really hoping they do a estate/shooting brake model in the future definitely got me interested, and the RWD P2 may be more affordable next year, if not the iD3 does look interesting too

[jagfan2]

anonymous said:

[redacted]

yup but the urban population arent car owners, many are 0-1 car per 2 adult households, hence the more like 50% of owners have off street parking. figures are from a number of surveys have seen. Figure varies depending if its owned or dedicated parking in a shared space where fitting a charger is more of an isuse, but including these its over 50% yes

[Arsecati]

jagfan2 said:

yup but the urban population arent car owners, many are 0-1 car per 2 adult households, hence the more like 50% of owners have off street parking. figures are from a number of surveys have seen. Figure varies depending if its owned or dedicated parking in a shared space where fitting a charger is more of an isuse, but including these its over 50% yes

Sorry mate, I'm going to have to pull you up on this also: source please?

[greggy50]

I was going to order a Model 3 for a company car but holding fire for this to hopefully hit the list.

I was only going to go for a Model 3 for the BIK savings as I actually don/t like the product at all having driven one as they feel a bit cheap and nasty/basic and I really dislike the styling.

Performance wise I have seen this tested at 4.5 to 60 so its priced and performance wise in line with a Model 3 Long Range but appears to be better built, far better to look at and with a nicer interior with just as many if not more toys. It will also no doubt be a lot safer if you were to have an accident and from a personal perspective I walked around from a fairly bad accident in a 2019 S60 recently and so for me that is a major selling point. The fact it also has a speedo in front of you is a benefit as this was my biggest issue when I drove a Tesla as I found it very annoying personally.

Overall, it looks a great product to me and especially at £47k on the road which is only about £7k more than the launch ID3s I believe which again seem a bit crap in comparison.

[browellm]

Arsecati said:

Sorry mate, I'm going to have to pull you up on this also: source please?

Whilst this is an old source, I think you can safely assume that having a garage implies access to a driveway. There are probably quite a extra driveways with no garage to add in.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/5105090.stm

[browellm]

Another interesting point that hasn't been raised yet is the Polestar is currently around £40-60 cheaper on PCH than the equivalent Model 3 LR, depending on the term/deposit chosen.

They must be anticipating strong residuals.

[browellm]

anonymous said:

[redacted]

LOL, wth? It's quoted because it contains a stat about garage ownership from a Transport Select commitee meeting. I expect they have reasonable data to work from.

I'm not your personal Google assistant.

They quoted figures from the RAC Foundation, which found that while 53 per cent of households had access to a garage, only 24 per cent used them.

Also, page 9. https://www.racfoundation.org/wp-content/uploads/2...
[i]Regarding the provision of a recharging infrastructure for electric vehicles,
the review notes that around 80% of UK car-owning households already have
access to a garage or other off-street parking facility, and finds that the existing
electricity supply accessed through standard home-based (13A) sockets will be
sufficient to support a significant switch to electric vehicles.[/i]

You're welcome

Edited by browellm on Friday 10th July 13:48

Edited by browellm on Friday 10th July 13:58

[browellm]

I just linked you a report that's 9 years old.

Do you think that there's been a massive evaporation of garages? Better call Mulder and Scully.

[SuperPav]

browellm said:

Another interesting point that hasn't been raised yet is the Polestar is currently around £40-60 cheaper on PCH than the equivalent Model 3 LR, depending on the term/deposit chosen.

They must be anticipating strong residuals.

Tesla's own finance deals are horrific in general to be honest, because of low RV setting. They seem to be able to shift all the volume that comes through without incentives though, so I guess there is little reason for them to reset RV's at a higher level at the moment... Is it black horse that provide their financing?

[browellm]

I believe so. The general complaint at the moment is that the finance houses can't do any better than Tesla's own PCH deal. Obviously this varies but that's where we are right now.