RE: 2020 Polestar 2 | PH Review
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Numeric said:
Arsecati said:
Numeric said:
Not a fan of the Tesla's as cars but my gosh when this is technologically the best that Volvo could do after being able to take Model 3s and strip them - a seemingly technically inferior product filled with trick suspension to try to cover up the techno shortfall, makes me appreciate the oily bit (is it now leccy bits?) of the Tesla.
As for being a nice car - yes seems to cover the bits of the Teslas I don't like very nicely, but too little range for my personal use which I know is specific - but I mean not even 200 motorway miles?
Range is only about 15% lower than the Tesla - that would seriously be a deal-breaker (seeing as motorways kill Teslas too)?As for being a nice car - yes seems to cover the bits of the Teslas I don't like very nicely, but too little range for my personal use which I know is specific - but I mean not even 200 motorway miles?
And final rant - there is no such thing as vegan leather - it's plastic or vinyl if you want to be posh (MB-Tex for the very posh) Please can we have nice warm/cool cloth seats - Alcantara is lovely!!
Numeric said:
And final rant - there is no such thing as vegan leather - it's plastic or vinyl if you want to be posh (MB-Tex for the very posh) Please can we have nice warm/cool cloth seats - Alcantara is lovely!!
It's not fake leather, it's a fabric material called "Weave Tech". I've not seen it in person, but it's supposedly one of these wonder synthetic materials that are super comfortable and durable. You can order the P2 with £4k worth of Nappa leather, but why subject yourself to the discomfort of leather at that price?The market for these will be the company car drivers who will see a monthly tax saving of £200 agsinst the equivalent hybrid and £400 over a 2.0tdi .
The downside for a company car driver is range and infrastructure. However in the present climate that maynot be an issue.
These are around £500 a month on lease at the moment and im tempted.
The downside for a company car driver is range and infrastructure. However in the present climate that maynot be an issue.
These are around £500 a month on lease at the moment and im tempted.
Witchfinder said:
Numeric said:
And final rant - there is no such thing as vegan leather - it's plastic or vinyl if you want to be posh (MB-Tex for the very posh) Please can we have nice warm/cool cloth seats - Alcantara is lovely!!
It's not fake leather, it's a fabric material called "Weave Tech". I've not seen it in person, but it's supposedly one of these wonder synthetic materials that are super comfortable and durable. You can order the P2 with £4k worth of Nappa leather, but why subject yourself to the discomfort of leather at that price?RobDickinson said:
Seriously don't know why people think this is true.
Heard several first hand experiences, One of them being a colleague that got called for his new Tesla after several months of waiting. They did not ask for his agenda. They told him he could pick his car up at day x hour y. He wasn able to. Then moment y and hour a. Not possible either. He then had to wait for the next shipments of Tesla's. He had no says whatsoever in what moment he could pick up his expensive car. To me, that's arrogance caused by high demand. Totally not customer centered.Numeric said:
And on another rant - why have the car manufacturers not put in their own supercharger network as a group - he who has the most charging points wins!
How utterly short sighted to not get together and do it properly but instead say - oh that isn't our business we'll leave it to some 'others' (government?) to sort out so we can keep more profit. Well I think you are in the soup for that now - everyone I know says the 'other' charging network is a real pain when they try it!
Very much not a Musk evangelist, but gosh he worked it out!!
Yep. As a car this appears way better than the Model 3, but the range and lack of charging network totally kill it as a rival in the eyes of a lot of potential buyers. How utterly short sighted to not get together and do it properly but instead say - oh that isn't our business we'll leave it to some 'others' (government?) to sort out so we can keep more profit. Well I think you are in the soup for that now - everyone I know says the 'other' charging network is a real pain when they try it!
Very much not a Musk evangelist, but gosh he worked it out!!
I really like this, one of few current cars on sale that I really do like. Hopefully this will capture peoples imaginations more than Tesla, who in my opinion are overrated and look rather terrible. I would seriously consider it but there are 2 things standing in my way:
1. lack of colours. All of my cars to date have been bright/bold and it's a shame this isn't available in something like rebel blue.
2. Price. It's just a bit out of my price range at the moment.
Maybe one day.
1. lack of colours. All of my cars to date have been bright/bold and it's a shame this isn't available in something like rebel blue.
2. Price. It's just a bit out of my price range at the moment.
Maybe one day.
I think car looks very bland, especially in side profile. Perhaps people want understated design vs. the more 'unconventional' design of a Tesla but I think Polestar have missed a trick.
Range is average and as mentioned, they have no charging network like Tesla. I'm not a Tesla fanboy but every time a new EV is launched (eTron, Taycan, Polestar, etc) it just reminds me how big the gap is between them and Tesla. Sorry Polestar, as a long time Volvo owner I was hoping for more.
Range is average and as mentioned, they have no charging network like Tesla. I'm not a Tesla fanboy but every time a new EV is launched (eTron, Taycan, Polestar, etc) it just reminds me how big the gap is between them and Tesla. Sorry Polestar, as a long time Volvo owner I was hoping for more.
Regardless of the tech and charging argument I think Volvo missed an open goal here. No one produces an ev estate car yet. Volvo, known for their estate cars have the gorgeous v60 cross country just released. This thing could have come in a very similar mid size estate body style that would give it a big USP over Tesla and everyone else for people who really need an estate. That’s not to say they can’t have hatchback and estate versions of this at the same time. At £50k in estate form it would be a no brainer purchase for my next car.... even better if it had just a little more range of course...
Numeric said:
Oddly yes - Heathrow T5 is 196 miles from my house and was a near once a week schlep for me - so there and back with no range anxiety is important - so I am looking for c.250 mile safe motorway miles as I don't want the faff of charging - but I appreciate this puts me in a minority and for most the range offered is ideal.
And final rant - there is no such thing as vegan leather - it's plastic or vinyl if you want to be posh (MB-Tex for the very posh) Please can we have nice warm/cool cloth seats - Alcantara is lovely!!
That's fair enough. Genuine question then - but how do you charge the vehicle then for the return journey (assuming you've gone to the airport to actually fly somewhere)? I'm honestly being curious here, as I'm assuming you can't just leave it plugged in at the airport car park so as to have a full charge for the trip home when you get back? And I'd also imagine it not being the most wonderful prospect in the world to immediately have to find a chargepoint somewhere (Supercharged or not) after arriving back from your destination, to then wait for a full charge to get you home again!And final rant - there is no such thing as vegan leather - it's plastic or vinyl if you want to be posh (MB-Tex for the very posh) Please can we have nice warm/cool cloth seats - Alcantara is lovely!!
I'm not ready for full EV myself yet (or should I say, THEY are not ready for me!!), as I do also have to put in mega-long trips every now and again (Dublin to Sheffield and back in one day was the last one - about 500 miles!). Currently use an A6 Avant 3.0TDi for these duties, as will comfortably get well over 600 miles to a tank (I've even managed 700 more than a few times when it's all just been motorway), but then I do feel a bit of a dinosaur having to use the same car for daily duties, where it will barely get out of the 20's mpg. The Mercedes E300de plug-in diesel hybrid is VERY tempting to cover all bases - it may well be the ideal gap vehicle for me before the inevitable full EV becomes only choice.
None ‘performance testing’ should see over 200miles on the motorway, the polestar app claim 200miles motorway, at -15!
I’ve taken the plunge on one only for the BIK.
It’s saves massive amounts of money compared to anything. Also it’s still 996 turbo quick. However won’t cost a penny
I looked at and tried the model 3, the power train was great, charging great, everything else felt like a cheap suit, regarding interior/looks/quality . I’d say the range of the two cars is more or less identical in the real world.
Also it doesn’t put a penny in the musk pyramid scheme, so I’m happy with that also.
I’ve taken the plunge on one only for the BIK.
It’s saves massive amounts of money compared to anything. Also it’s still 996 turbo quick. However won’t cost a penny
I looked at and tried the model 3, the power train was great, charging great, everything else felt like a cheap suit, regarding interior/looks/quality . I’d say the range of the two cars is more or less identical in the real world.
Also it doesn’t put a penny in the musk pyramid scheme, so I’m happy with that also.
So it’s; slower, has less range and crucially more expensive than the model 3.
It’s likely to have a much higher quality interior than the Tesla, but is that enough to justify is performance shortfalls and high price? (comparing it to the Model 3)
It’s difficult to see who this is really aimed at.
It’s likely to have a much higher quality interior than the Tesla, but is that enough to justify is performance shortfalls and high price? (comparing it to the Model 3)
It’s difficult to see who this is really aimed at.
robemcdonald said:
So it’s; slower, has less range and crucially more expensive than the model 3.
It’s likely to have a much higher quality interior than the Tesla, but is that enough to justify is performance shortfalls and high price? (comparing it to the Model 3)
It’s difficult to see who this is really aimed at.
Maybe those not overly enamoured with Mr. Musk's charm?It’s likely to have a much higher quality interior than the Tesla, but is that enough to justify is performance shortfalls and high price? (comparing it to the Model 3)
It’s difficult to see who this is really aimed at.
robemcdonald said:
So it’s; slower, has less range and crucially more expensive than the model 3.
It’s likely to have a much higher quality interior than the Tesla, but is that enough to justify is performance shortfalls and high price? (comparing it to the Model 3)
It’s difficult to see who this is really aimed at.
Depends which model you compare it to. It's £4k more than a long range Model-3 with similar performance and less range. The only Tesla which is faster is also considerably more expensive.It’s likely to have a much higher quality interior than the Tesla, but is that enough to justify is performance shortfalls and high price? (comparing it to the Model 3)
It’s difficult to see who this is really aimed at.
The closest comparison seems to be with the M3LR. The Polestar hasa 15% shorter range and costs £4k more. On the other hand it looks better (at lest to my eyes), one has to imagine Polestar will have better production line quality control (although Tesla are improving) and the interior is by all accounts far nicer than the Tesla's.
Ultimately I suspect for many the decision between the two will come down to whether they want a hatchback or saloon.
Dale487 said:
At just short of £50k is this the cheapest 400 BHP car you can buy?
Nopehttps://www.ford.co.uk/cars/mustang/models-specs/v...
460 bhp for £43k
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