RE: 2020 Polestar 2 | PH Review

[Blackpuddin]

RobDickinson said:

Blackpuddin said:

Wonder how long it will take until manufacturers offer nothing more than a multi-way mount/docking arrangement that will allow owners to fit their own tablets/iPads whatevers instead of lumbering them with OEM screens that will quickly become a dated liability? A long time I guess if satnav experience is any guide.

That's already a thing in some cars

Is it indeed, interesting. I dread to think how much a replacement screen for a Polestar or a Tesla would cost.

[Talksteer]

RobDickinson said:

Blackpuddin said:

Wonder how long it will take until manufacturers offer nothing more than a multi-way mount/docking arrangement that will allow owners to fit their own tablets/iPads whatevers instead of lumbering them with OEM screens that will quickly become a dated liability? A long time I guess if satnav experience is any guide.

That's already a thing in some cars

This is essentially what the Tesla media screen is, it gets updated every few months like android and it uses Google maps for nav.

New features have been added over a weekend when requested.

In the near future it will be getting an app store. This has taken much longer in cars as to make an app store work you need millions of users but that is now happening.

[okenemem]

wierd shape

[RobDickinson]

Blackpuddin said:

Is it indeed, interesting. I dread to think how much a replacement screen for a Polestar or a Tesla would cost.

Afik the model 3 screen is about $1000 on ebay, its just the display and touch screen, the computer resides behind the glove box. Screen is easy to unbolt and swap.

Talksteer said:

This is essentially what the Tesla media screen is

no, no its not.

[anonymous-user]

MC Bodge said:

It's a car.

Everything externally has been done before.

It looks fine.

I'm sure the designers will be thrilled by your review. Every stylist aims for fine. I wonder if that's why most now make ugly cars? Ugly is more interesting than 'fine'.

[MC Bodge]

Argleton said:

MC Bodge said:

It's a car.

Everything externally has been done before.

It looks fine.

I'm sure the designers will be thrilled by your review. Every stylist aims for fine. I wonder if that's why most now make ugly cars? Ugly is more interesting than 'fine'.

Maybe. There is only so much that can be done with the shape of a vehicle for carrying people. Over the past 100 years pretty much everything has been done. It is now just a case of combining the same elements in slightly different ways.

The Polestar is nowhere near as bad as some are making it out to be.

What current cars are beautiful, bold and new?

[Witchfinder]

MC Bodge said:

The Polestar is nowhere near as bad as some are making it out to be.

Quite. I think the Polestar 2 looks quite muscular. There aren't really any bad angles to view it from. I saw it in person at the roadshow last year and I was impressed, especially in white with the contrasting black gloss detail.

[selym]

Witchfinder said:

MC Bodge said:

The Polestar is nowhere near as bad as some are making it out to be.

Quite. I think the Polestar 2 looks quite muscular. There aren't really any bad angles to view it from. I saw it in person at the roadshow last year and I was impressed, especially in white with the contrasting black gloss detail.

Cars like this need to be seen in the metal really, but you'd think the PR guys could get some more inspiring pictures.
It could be worse though, it could be another shapeless jelly mould.

[jagfan2]

anonymous said:

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forgot about this thread

In 2010, 40% of dwellings had use of a garage, 26% had other off street parking, 32% relied on street parking
... Parking was not necessarily an issue for all households because 23% did not have a car
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/governmen...

As stated statistic from then on who owns and has rights to install chargers on off street parking is murky at best, but 50-60% minimum of car owners can have off street parking with charging, but likely to be higher as more property with shared/assigned off road parking has charging capability built in - due to be legislated in if not already

[jagfan2]

RobDickinson said:

Blackpuddin said:

Wonder how long it will take until manufacturers offer nothing more than a multi-way mount/docking arrangement that will allow owners to fit their own tablets/iPads whatevers instead of lumbering them with OEM screens that will quickly become a dated liability? A long time I guess if satnav experience is any guide.

That's already a thing in some cars

Most commercially available displays dont work in automotive, as they cant meet the ambient temperature, vibration and humidity requirements, (+80 to -30
degc etc) - an ipad wouldn't last a year used in either MENA or Scandinavia, try leaving one running in a greenhouse and see. And industrial displays tend to be poor resolution or sensitivity - hence car touch screens are quite unique and pricey

[RobDickinson]

jagfan2 said:

RobDickinson said:

Blackpuddin said:

Wonder how long it will take until manufacturers offer nothing more than a multi-way mount/docking arrangement that will allow owners to fit their own tablets/iPads whatevers instead of lumbering them with OEM screens that will quickly become a dated liability? A long time I guess if satnav experience is any guide.

That's already a thing in some cars

Most commercially available displays dont work in automotive, as they cant meet the ambient temperature, vibration and humidity requirements, (+80 to -30
degc etc) - an ipad wouldn't last a year used in either MENA or Scandinavia, try leaving one running in a greenhouse and see. And industrial displays tend to be poor resolution or sensitivity - hence car touch screens are quite unique and pricey

You don't leave your phone or ipad in the car. You're also likely to upgrade it in a year or two.

[RemarkLima]

RemarkLima said:

jagfan2 said:

RemarkLima said:

We had an i3 and now a M3 LR - one thing I would say about the Model 3 is that the handling and steering feedback is absolutely bob on, I'm always really surprised by just how neatly it handles. Sure it'll never be a v8 monster, but then neither will a 318d or Nissan Micra.

I checked out about every EV as an alternative for replacing the i3 and basically nothing was available or ready to order (Polestar 2, VW iD3), poor range (Audi e-Tron) or a "fashionable" SUV with no boot space (Jag iPace).

The iPace has more boot space than the Model 3, and easier access , as does the P2 - note hatch volumes measure to window line not total volume

Saloon boot and awkward opening is one of my major issues in looking at Mod3, no easy way to throw a couple of kids bikes or my bike in the back, and no practical roof bar option either, and the Model Y is just horrible to look at.

Am really hoping they do a estate/shooting brake model in the future definitely got me interested, and the RWD P2 may be more affordable next year, if not the iD3 does look interesting too

We poured over the i-Pace and there is no way it has more total storage space - the front boot doesn't store anything on the i-Pace and the rear boot is so shallow with the sloping rear window - if it was squared off a bit more I could see the advantage.

The model 3 has a front boot you can throw a couple of soft bags into, a rear boot that is deep with a big well underneath.

We may have squeezed my son's bike into an i-Pace but two kids bikes I just couldn't see - my step dad has an i-Pace so I'll give a go

For the Model 3, we just got the tow hitch and have a 4 bike carrier from previous so can get all 4 bikes on when needed - not that often, but useful that we can.

ETA: The Jag with the spec with two bar and pano roof was significantly more than the Model 3 as well

Edited by RemarkLima on Friday 10th July 15:14

Just a footnote here.

Managed to get my two kids bikes in the boot of the Model 3 (kids are 8 and 6) - I did have to take the front wheels off both but doable.

[jagfan2]

RemarkLima said:

RemarkLima said:

We poured over the i-Pace and there is no way it has more total storage space - the front boot doesn't store anything on the i-Pace and the rear boot is so shallow with the sloping rear window - if it was squared off a bit more I could see the advantage.

The model 3 has a front boot you can throw a couple of soft bags into, a rear boot that is deep with a big well underneath.

We may have squeezed my son's bike into an i-Pace but two kids bikes I just couldn't see - my step dad has an i-Pace so I'll give a go

Edited by RemarkLima on Friday 10th July 15:14

Just a footnote here.

Managed to get my two kids bikes in the boot of the Model 3 (kids are 8 and 6) - I did have to take the front wheels off both but doable.

i-pace boot is 560L (to window line/shelf), Polestar is 405L (to window line/shelf) +35 L frunk, m3 425 litres (front and rear combined), so know its not a winner. Taking kids wheels of isnt really practical for a quick trip to the park for me (we manage this in a kuga with similar volumes and a16" and 20" bike), and i cycle weekly, and need the bike in the car (front wheel off) as i load the night before and go after work so needs to be secure. You cant do that with a saloon