RE: 2020 Polestar 2 | PH Review
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I really like this. Would love to go electric but I am one of those people who does (did!) a couple of 300+ mile Journeys a week. Nearly all on motorway and that really does kill the range. I’ve tried a couple of EVs (including Tesla) and if you stick to 50mph with a fair wind you might get close to the claimed range. However drive at ‘normal’ motorway speeds and you’ll be lucky to get 150 miles.
But, I think COVID is going to completely change the way we work so face to face meetings will be a thing of the past along with high mileages. Could now be the time?? £50k though, might as well get a Leaf.
But, I think COVID is going to completely change the way we work so face to face meetings will be a thing of the past along with high mileages. Could now be the time?? £50k though, might as well get a Leaf.
robemcdonald said:
So it’s; slower, has less range and crucially more expensive than the model 3.
It’s likely to have a much higher quality interior than the Tesla, but is that enough to justify is performance shortfalls and high price? (comparing it to the Model 3)
It’s difficult to see who this is really aimed at.
Did you read the review or do you own a Tesla?It’s likely to have a much higher quality interior than the Tesla, but is that enough to justify is performance shortfalls and high price? (comparing it to the Model 3)
It’s difficult to see who this is really aimed at.
It’s £8k cheaper than a model 3 performance
It’s got the same real range as the long range or within 10%
It’s better built
Much much much better quality
Looks better
robemcdonald said:
So it’s; slower, has less range and crucially more expensive than the model 3.
It’s likely to have a much higher quality interior than the Tesla, but is that enough to justify is performance shortfalls and high price? (comparing it to the Model 3)
It’s difficult to see who this is really aimed at.
I prefer to see it as a cut price base Taycan and not an expensive Model 3. It’s likely to have a much higher quality interior than the Tesla, but is that enough to justify is performance shortfalls and high price? (comparing it to the Model 3)
It’s difficult to see who this is really aimed at.
Some has stated the BIK savings over a PHEV or diesel are substantial and I think the range wouldn't be a problem 90% of the time for a lot of people and you'd have to just do some serious planning for top up stops the other 10% of the time. But I do think you need to be able to charge it at home, even off a normal 3 pin plug, for it to work.
steveb8189 said:
Dale487 said:
At just short of £50k is this the cheapest 400 BHP car you can buy?
Nopehttps://www.ford.co.uk/cars/mustang/models-specs/v...
460 bhp for £43k
(I did think of the Mustang after I'd submitted the post)
kambites said:
Numeric said:
And final rant - there is no such thing as vegan leather - it's plastic or vinyl if you want to be posh (MB-Tex for the very posh) Please can we have nice warm/cool cloth seats - Alcantara is lovely!!
Most non-vegan leather used in cars is also plastic, at least the bits you touch. I've never understood how split grain PU "leather" is considered to be a more luxury option then cloth. It annoys me that in many cars to get some options you have to select a trim package which also includes horrible plastic seats. The very term 'vegan leather' irritates me a lot - an affront by virtue-signalling and to the Trades Descriptions Act.
Real leather is easy to clean and is waterproof(ish) compared to cloth.
But Alcantara (other brands are available) is a very nice compromise indeed.
Polestar's fake cloth is probably very nice. I understand Honda used something similar in its Clarity and it was well-received.
The Polestar looks nicely restrained, as if it were an electric Volvo or something.
And being built by a proper car manufacturer, hopefully it's more likely to be freer of defects.
Like the i-Pace, a bit too SUV-ish for my preferences.
But I guess we're stuck with that, due to the depth of battery packs.
Arsecati said:
Numeric said:
Oddly yes - Heathrow T5 is 196 miles from my house and was a near once a week schlep for me - so there and back with no range anxiety is important - so I am looking for c.250 mile safe motorway miles as I don't want the faff of charging - but I appreciate this puts me in a minority and for most the range offered is ideal.
And final rant - there is no such thing as vegan leather - it's plastic or vinyl if you want to be posh (MB-Tex for the very posh) Please can we have nice warm/cool cloth seats - Alcantara is lovely!!
That's fair enough. Genuine question then - but how do you charge the vehicle then for the return journey (assuming you've gone to the airport to actually fly somewhere)? I'm honestly being curious here, as I'm assuming you can't just leave it plugged in at the airport car park so as to have a full charge for the trip home when you get back? And I'd also imagine it not being the most wonderful prospect in the world to immediately have to find a chargepoint somewhere (Supercharged or not) after arriving back from your destination, to then wait for a full charge to get you home again!And final rant - there is no such thing as vegan leather - it's plastic or vinyl if you want to be posh (MB-Tex for the very posh) Please can we have nice warm/cool cloth seats - Alcantara is lovely!!
I'm not ready for full EV myself yet (or should I say, THEY are not ready for me!!), as I do also have to put in mega-long trips every now and again (Dublin to Sheffield and back in one day was the last one - about 500 miles!). Currently use an A6 Avant 3.0TDi for these duties, as will comfortably get well over 600 miles to a tank (I've even managed 700 more than a few times when it's all just been motorway), but then I do feel a bit of a dinosaur having to use the same car for daily duties, where it will barely get out of the 20's mpg. The Mercedes E300de plug-in diesel hybrid is VERY tempting to cover all bases - it may well be the ideal gap vehicle for me before the inevitable full EV becomes only choice.
And also I'm like you - I want to get into EV as a replacement to td - but just can't find the faff free solution - yet - but I think very close now!
Arsecati said:
robemcdonald said:
So it’s; slower, has less range and crucially more expensive than the model 3.
It’s likely to have a much higher quality interior than the Tesla, but is that enough to justify is performance shortfalls and high price? (comparing it to the Model 3)
It’s difficult to see who this is really aimed at.
Maybe those not overly enamoured with Mr. Musk's charm?It’s likely to have a much higher quality interior than the Tesla, but is that enough to justify is performance shortfalls and high price? (comparing it to the Model 3)
It’s difficult to see who this is really aimed at.
t in the post for you. We all win.I like the way the Polestar looks, but but....
The Tesla M3P is only fractionally more expensive (£1500) but is much faster, has a better range (probably even more apparent in the real world), has a much better charging infrastructure, can charge to a decent level in a matter of minutes on a supercharger, etc... plus, to many buyers, a Tesla is far more on-trend than a Volvo I'm afraid, like it or not.
The Tesla M3P is only fractionally more expensive (£1500) but is much faster, has a better range (probably even more apparent in the real world), has a much better charging infrastructure, can charge to a decent level in a matter of minutes on a supercharger, etc... plus, to many buyers, a Tesla is far more on-trend than a Volvo I'm afraid, like it or not.
kambites said:
Dale487 said:
OK - second cheapest and most practical 400BHP car.
(I did think of the Mustang after I'd submitted the post)
As a more comparable model, I think the A45 is about £50k? (I did think of the Mustang after I'd submitted the post)
kambites said:
robemcdonald said:
So it’s; slower, has less range and crucially more expensive than the model 3.
It’s likely to have a much higher quality interior than the Tesla, but is that enough to justify is performance shortfalls and high price? (comparing it to the Model 3)
It’s difficult to see who this is really aimed at.
Depends which model you compare it to. It's £4k more than a long range Model-3 with similar performance and less range. The only Tesla which is faster is also considerably more expensive.It’s likely to have a much higher quality interior than the Tesla, but is that enough to justify is performance shortfalls and high price? (comparing it to the Model 3)
It’s difficult to see who this is really aimed at.
The closest comparison seems to be with the M3LR. The Polestar hasa 15% shorter range and costs £4k more. On the other hand it looks better (at lest to my eyes), one has to imagine Polestar will have better production line quality control (although Tesla are improving) and the interior is by all accounts far nicer than the Tesla's.
Ultimately I suspect for many the decision between the two will come down to whether they want a hatchback or saloon.
The polestar interior will probably be nicer quality than the Tesla (which I already acknowledged)
So I don’t get your point.
robemcdonald said:
Obviously a model 3 performance is £1000 cheaper than the car in the article and will blow this away (if that’s your thing of course)
Does Tesla's site quote before the government grant then? In that case I take it back.
The Polestar is £49900 before government grant (so £46900 after?). What Model-3 does that buy you in the UK? Yes you can spec it up more, but you can spec the Tesla up more too.
Edited by kambites on Friday 10th July 09:13
robemcdonald said:
Obviously a model 3 performance is £1000 cheaper than the car in the article and will blow this away (if that’s your thing of course)
The polestar interior will probably be nicer quality than the Tesla (which I already acknowledged)
So I don’t get your point.
its not £1000 cheaper is it? The only time it'll 'blow it away' is by being 1 second quicker to 60, which unless your playing toptrumps makes no odds.The polestar interior will probably be nicer quality than the Tesla (which I already acknowledged)
So I don’t get your point.
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