RE: How to survive a pandemic - and save a V12
Discussion
Gameface said:
But getting in my cars at the weekend, after all the s
tty things I have to do during the week, is the pay off.
That, I admit, is where I can't get my head around the properly rich self-made people I know.tty things I have to do during the week, is the pay off. Without exception, they keep on working bloody hard, despite having enough money to be able to be able to sit back and do nothing through the week (or any other time) and simply let their investments pay for it all (which, being inherently lazy, is what I'd do myself).
As I said, the only sensible conclusion I've been able to draw (confirmed directly by the people themselves in a number of instances) is that it's not all, or even mostly, about the money. It's about the achievement itself, and money is just one metric they can use to benchmark that.
Driven people are driven people, regardless of whether there is unlimited wealth at the end of it.
Yes, you need to have a society that allows people to achieve, but the argument that such achievement must be directly expressed as monetary wealth, or that the human race would fail to progress any further if there wasn't such a large divide between the very wealthy and the very poor is pure nonsense.
Gameface said:
That's what it's about for me. Fulfilling a childhood dream.
We can all relate to that and the lucky/driven ones get to realize it and no one has mentioned begrudging anyone of that achievement (or any form of communism).The reason I reacted to this article is because we're not talking about a Countach, an F40 or an F1; we're talking about a near-£200k SUV.
The arguement is that whilst a large number of people are stuck at the bottom unable to live a half-decent life then surely there has to be a limit at the very top where excessive wealth can be more fairly (at a humane level) redistributed at the bottom.
For all the indirect good luxury consumerism does for the economy, the fact is that there *are* a lot of people in the UK and especially the rest of the world living poorly, despite consumerism being at the height it is.
Do you really not think extreme wealth is unnecessary and could be used to help the poor live a more comfortable life? The richest 10% could probably directly fund food and shelter for the bottom 10% and hardly notice the loss.
cobraBLACK said:
Weekendrebuild said:
Not really, if you have worked hard and purchased it yourself you deserve it . To many lazy people in this world.
It would be nice if life was that simple - you get what you deserve - but people are born into poverty (or money - one of the useless idiots is POTUS) and struggle to get out without resorting to crime or suffer from mental illness. But we're happy for this to continue? The majority of people spend most of their income on mortgage/rent and food with little else to save so finance is a constant worry. Yet capitalism unchecked lets so many around the world have ludicrous amounts of money that they may or may not have earned - and that's okay?Yes, have no problems with that.
I was born to a father that for a time held 3 regular jobs and slept on the floor for ~ 5h a night before starting it all again, then he dropped one job as my mother started to work as a cleaner and than as a nanny. Everything they had they have invested in my sister and me. I have worked like any other person having a 9-5 job, studied for my BA during a 5 years evening course while copping with anything life have thrown at me, then I started my own business (working on my own as a one man band) an average of 14h. days while for the first year it was more like 16-17h. days, after 2 years I have ended in front of the Dr. with chest pain. I worked hard, I have earned lots spent lots and lost lots. When in Uni. my wife and I had between the two of us £69.50 per week to live on, so i know what is hard. I don't feel guilty and I don't think that I had to share what I have had and what I still have with those that like to sit and mourn how tough they got it.
My sister had her BA, got married, had children, studied for her MA while working full time and being a mother and now, just for the fun of it, she reads for her PhD.
I have had lots and I have lost lots. I was down and up and now I am somewhere in between. I don't feel that anyone owes me anything and I am not bitter. I wish I still could afford these great toys, I wish I could own a Carrera GT, but I can't. So good luck and well done to those who did better then me! You should be looked an example of what can be achieved with determination.
If you want it, have the ability and take the opportunities that cross your way you can do it.
Apologies for the long winded post but hate this sort of attitude.
Edited to add that when i was earning lots my tax bill was > £260,000 P.A (all figures are today's money)
Edited by African Grey on Sunday 12th July 16:01
cobraBLACK said:
Me too but there's not much to say other than "good new for Lamborghini". The other subject stood out for me.
It always surprises me too when a dedicated site for car enthusiasts doesn't also deal with the wider topics effecting the rest of the world on it's main pages. If only there were the opportunity to add a link to the classifieds by doing so I guess we would see more of it maybe?? Ah well, we have just to stick to reading the papers, watching the news and joining in with relevant forums provided (even on this site) for all non car related subjects I suppose.Gameface said:
cobraBLACK said:
Is anyone else uncomfortable that a £165k runaround is selling so well whilst homeless people freeze to death and so many people live in poverty and live such a terrible life?
No. So much so that I bought a new Lamborghini earlier this week.
Equus said:
Argleton said:
As opposed to your perspective of what? Straw poll of 4 people?
Rather more than that. I've spent my entire career servicing property development. It won't surprise even you to discover that there are quite a few self-made millionaires among their number.And on what experience are you basing your own inestimably wise contribution to the discussion?
Argleton said:
Seriously, you're embarrassing yourself now.
And you're not?How am I embarrassing myself exactly? Because I'm calling out your very strange views?
I'm guessing you object to Lamborghinis because you can't afford them. That's fine. I mean it's fine you can't afford them.
Tell me what you can afford and then I'll dictate to you what you should buy and what you shouldn't "throw away" in cash. I bet you'll love that one. But you won't, will you? That's effectively your argument though.
You say all these people you know haven't 'wasted' their money on needless Lamborghinis- tell me are they all into their cars? Is that, maybe, just maybe, the reason that haven't bought one? ..or are these Lambo mad billionaires not buying one because of how it looks to others?
You've also conveniently left out all the 'self made millionaires' you know who have bought a fancy car that they dont need, but then that doesn't suit your rhetoric, does it. You'll no doubt tell me you know none. Well I do. Self made millionaire with a Lamborghini. What should he do? Send it back? Sell it? Would you sell your car because someone thinks you shouldn't have it?
Argleton said:
This is a bit like arguing with a child. Are you going to say back to me everything I've said?
How am I embarrassing myself exactly? Because I'm calling out your very strange views?
I'm guessing you object to Lamborghinis because you can't afford them. That's fine. I mean it's fine you can't afford them.
Tell me what you can afford and then I'll dictate to you what you should buy and what you shouldn't "throw away" in cash. I bet you'll love that one. But you won't, will you? That's effectively your argument though.
You say all these people you know haven't 'wasted' their money on needless Lamborghinis- tell me are they all into their cars? Is that, maybe, just maybe, the reason that haven't bought one? ..or are these Lambo mad billionaires not buying one because of how it looks to others?
You've also conveniently left out all the 'self made millionaires' you know who have bought a fancy car that they dont need, but then that doesn't suit your rhetoric, does it. You'll no doubt tell me you know none. Well I do. Self made millionaire with a Lamborghini. What should he do? Send it back? Sell it? Would you sell your car because someone thinks you shouldn't have it?
.How am I embarrassing myself exactly? Because I'm calling out your very strange views?
I'm guessing you object to Lamborghinis because you can't afford them. That's fine. I mean it's fine you can't afford them.
Tell me what you can afford and then I'll dictate to you what you should buy and what you shouldn't "throw away" in cash. I bet you'll love that one. But you won't, will you? That's effectively your argument though.
You say all these people you know haven't 'wasted' their money on needless Lamborghinis- tell me are they all into their cars? Is that, maybe, just maybe, the reason that haven't bought one? ..or are these Lambo mad billionaires not buying one because of how it looks to others?
You've also conveniently left out all the 'self made millionaires' you know who have bought a fancy car that they dont need, but then that doesn't suit your rhetoric, does it. You'll no doubt tell me you know none. Well I do. Self made millionaire with a Lamborghini. What should he do? Send it back? Sell it? Would you sell your car because someone thinks you shouldn't have it?
Equus said:
Argleton said:
What I'm saying is true then. Thanks for the confirmation.
Keep on trollin' sweety.
When can we expect your next change of username?
Rifling through my profile to dig up dirt...how painfully sad and even more embarrassing...you dont help yourself, do you.
Oh, I'm waiting for you to say what you can afford to pay so I can give you a list of cars you shouldn't be buying.
cobraBLACK said:
Gameface said:
That's what it's about for me. Fulfilling a childhood dream.
We can all relate to that and the lucky/driven ones get to realize it and no one has mentioned begrudging anyone of that achievement (or any form of communism).The reason I reacted to this article is because we're not talking about a Countach, an F40 or an F1; we're talking about a near-£200k SUV.
The arguement is that whilst a large number of people are stuck at the bottom unable to live a half-decent life then surely there has to be a limit at the very top where excessive wealth can be more fairly (at a humane level) redistributed at the bottom.
For all the indirect good luxury consumerism does for the economy, the fact is that there *are* a lot of people in the UK and especially the rest of the world living poorly, despite consumerism being at the height it is.
Do you really not think extreme wealth is unnecessary and could be used to help the poor live a more comfortable life? The richest 10% could probably directly fund food and shelter for the bottom 10% and hardly notice the loss.
For a start the "richest 10%' includes a whole lot of people I wouldn't consider rich. To be in the top 10% takes 180k of assets.
That puts my mother firmly in the top 10% as she owns her own home. Her income is about 20k
My father in law would have been in the bottom 10%. He lived in a council house and lived off benefits. He had no assets other than 2 year old car (my mother's car is 16 years old!).
How much of my mother's income and wealth should go to help out people like my father in law?
Just to put it back on the original topic.
I work for a small, but very high end speaker company in sheffield.
Our flagship stereo speakers are around £125k depending on options, the next down are around £60k per pair.
Our bottom range starts at £5k per pair.
Under the current circumstances we have not slowed down at all with the top end stuff, if anything its busier than usual for this time of year, yet our low range has dropped off a fair bit.
I think it shows why lambo have done so well, if you're customer has that kind of disposable income they don't tend to work a typical 9-5 job or get paid equivalently.
So lockdown hasn't really changed anything for them.
But the wage earners have felt it more, so stopped spending.
If you have money, you have money.
I work for a small, but very high end speaker company in sheffield.
Our flagship stereo speakers are around £125k depending on options, the next down are around £60k per pair.
Our bottom range starts at £5k per pair.
Under the current circumstances we have not slowed down at all with the top end stuff, if anything its busier than usual for this time of year, yet our low range has dropped off a fair bit.
I think it shows why lambo have done so well, if you're customer has that kind of disposable income they don't tend to work a typical 9-5 job or get paid equivalently.
So lockdown hasn't really changed anything for them.
But the wage earners have felt it more, so stopped spending.
If you have money, you have money.
I've benefitted financially from the lockdown. And will even moreso if there's a major recession. Now I realise that's unusual but times like this aren't bad for everyone.
As an aside, my Lamborghini dealer principal was saying they are rushed off their feet. Less staff in. Back log of sold cars to prep and deliver. Delayed new orders and stock coming in after the factory shut down in Italy. New orders coming in from people wanting to treat themselves after perhaps realising life is short. Massive back log of cars in for delayed services etc. Never been busier he said.
As an aside, my Lamborghini dealer principal was saying they are rushed off their feet. Less staff in. Back log of sold cars to prep and deliver. Delayed new orders and stock coming in after the factory shut down in Italy. New orders coming in from people wanting to treat themselves after perhaps realising life is short. Massive back log of cars in for delayed services etc. Never been busier he said.
cobraBLACK said:
Is anyone else uncomfortable that a £165k runaround is selling so well whilst homeless people freeze to death and so many people live in poverty and live such a terrible life?
The thing is, the people that can afford to buy a 165k car will be contributing much more tax revenue to the gov then the average person buying a supermini. Even with clever accounting and so on. If they are motivated to want such things and work hard to get them all the better.I had to scroll back to the top of the page just to make sure I had not clicked onto the Militant tendency website.
It just goes to show though how easy it is to hijack a topic. It takes one person whose first post is nearly 4 years since joining( from a person who says he loves talking about cars) and 3 pages later virtually no comments relevant to the subject matter ( for a car website).
It just goes to show though how easy it is to hijack a topic. It takes one person whose first post is nearly 4 years since joining( from a person who says he loves talking about cars) and 3 pages later virtually no comments relevant to the subject matter ( for a car website).
Edited by Drinksleeprepeat on Monday 13th July 08:32
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