RE: £25k mega-hatches | Six of the Best

[Killboy]

NGK210 said:

My reasons for highlighting are irrelevant – don’t try to distract from the issue(s) being discussed.
And as for “scare stories”? How very feeble. ‘Covid-19 is caused by 5G masts‘ is a scare story.
Multiple owner-forum threads reporting faults, with the same problems also encountered by long-standing, reputable car mags is a chain of evidence, not “scare stories”.
All of which is effectively confirmed by Honda itself: the 2020 updated FK8 has increased air flow to the engine bay and a modified gear linkage with a weighted gearknob.
So, as a future used-buy the updated 2020 FK8 could be a safer bet whereas pre-2020 cars are a a risky punt.
Anyway, speaking of knobs and blinkered, indignant ill-mannered Honda-owning forumites, here’s some ‘art imitating life’:
https://sniffpetrol.com/2012/08/23/asktotalprickfr...

Just out of internet, what do you drive?

[NGK210]

biggbn said:

I dont think its an agenda to have a trouble free ctr is it? ...

With respect, perhaps you’re missing the point? His agenda is to protect the reputation of his car. Because when it’s time to sell, who wants to be lumbered with a car that has a reputation for being a potential money pit with the resale value of a Perodua Nippa?

[biggbn]

NGK210 said:

biggbn said:

I dont think its an agenda to have a trouble free ctr is it? ...

With respect, perhaps you’re missing the point? His agenda is to protect the reputation of his car. Because when it’s time to sell, who wants to be lumbered with a car that has a reputation for being a potential money pit with the resale value of a Perodua Nippa?

Do you really believe that? If the problems were widespread it would be all over motoring forums and media platforms and yes, it would affect resale. But it is not, is it? So, unless you are suggesting that the media are in Honda’s pocket and its all a grassy knoll type cover up (Honda Type GK), I would have to surmise the problems are fairly rare? Of course this is a kick in the pants for owners of afflicted cars, particularly if Honda are being arsey about it...but...i think I would happily plunk my hard earned down on one given the evidence thus presented and the fact it is a non story for the media.

[Diablos-666]

To be fair to NGK I was at a track day on Monday with a mate who works for Honda.
I saw an FK there and mentioned this thread and asked about the gearbox issue.
He confirmed that they had multiple cars come in with issues with synchros.
One customer used it on track, as intended and as advertised and lost first gear.
Honda wouldn’t honour the warranty and cited gearbox abuse. The dealer put the gearbox back together without 1st and gave it back to the customer.

[NGK210]

Killboy said:

Just out of internet, what do you drive?

Mercifully, I managed to shift my Scirocco 2.0 Tsi just as Covid-19 dropped. (Don’t get me started on VW.)
Which is why I’m deciding which used 5-door hot hatch to get. One that’s fun to drive, doesn’t guzzle fuel, is not a one-trick pony and doesn’t run the risk of being a potential money pit would be nice – and preferably not a VAG. (Don’t get me started on VW.) Not too much to ask, is it?

[biggbn]

Diablos-666 said:

To be fair to NGK I was at a track day on Monday with a mate who works for Honda.
I saw an FK there and mentioned this thread and asked about the gearbox issue.
He confirmed that they had multiple cars come in with issues with synchros.
One customer used it on track, as intended and as advertised and lost first gear.
Honda wouldn’t honour the warranty and cited gearbox abuse. The dealer put the gearbox back together without 1st and gave it back to the customer.

I have agreed with NGK, and i do not doubt that some cars have issues. I just doubt its widespread, and his posts totally ignore, indeed belittle, those who post about their positive experiences

[biggbn]

NGK210 said:

Killboy said:

Just out of internet, what do you drive?

Mercifully, I managed to shift my Scirocco 2.0 Tsi just as Covid-19 dropped. (Don’t get me started on VW.)
Which is why I’m deciding which used 5-door hot hatch to get. One that’s fun to drive, doesn’t guzzle fuel, is not a one-trick pony and doesn’t run the risk of being a potential money pit would be nice – and preferably not a VAG. (Don’t get me started on VW.) Not too much to ask, is it?

What were the issues with the scirocco man? I really like them but admit, shoot me now, it would be a diesel i would have!!

[Killboy]

NGK210 said:

Mercifully, I managed to shift my Scirocco 2.0 Tsi just as Covid-19 dropped.

Lol.

[Trevor555]

biggbn said:

Diablos-666 said:

To be fair to NGK I was at a track day on Monday with a mate who works for Honda.
I saw an FK there and mentioned this thread and asked about the gearbox issue.
He confirmed that they had multiple cars come in with issues with synchros.
One customer used it on track, as intended and as advertised and lost first gear.
Honda wouldn’t honour the warranty and cited gearbox abuse. The dealer put the gearbox back together without 1st and gave it back to the customer.

I have agreed with NGK, and i do not doubt that some cars have issues. I just doubt its widespread, and his posts totally ignore, indeed belittle, those who post about their positive experiences

But isn't that what forums are great for?

Sharing the knowledge?

I'm grateful for it as I now know it's something I have to look out for when I'm sent to buy one.

Thank you NGK for sharing.

[DoubleD]

Right, can we now move on from this Honda "issue" as its getting rather dull.

[SidewaysSi]

NGK is blowing it up so he can try to get one cheap.

The man had an impractical Golf so there's a bunch of credibility lost..

[biggbn]

Trevor555 said:

But isn't that what forums are great for?

Sharing the knowledge?

I'm grateful for it as I now know it's something I have to look out for when I'm sent to buy one.

Thank you NGK for sharing.

fair comment.

[DoubleD]

biggbn said:

Trevor555 said:

But isn't that what forums are great for?

Sharing the knowledge?

I'm grateful for it as I now know it's something I have to look out for when I'm sent to buy one.

Thank you NGK for sharing.

fair comment.

Yep, thanks for sharing......the 1st time.

[NGK210]

biggbn said:

Do you really believe that? If the problems were widespread it would be all over motoring forums and media platforms and yes, it would affect resale. But it is not, is it? So, unless you are suggesting that the media are in Honda’s pocket and its all a grassy knoll type cover up (Honda Type GK), I would have to surmise the problems are fairly rare? Of course this is a kick in the pants for owners of afflicted cars, particularly if Honda are being arsey about it...but...i think I would happily plunk my hard earned down on one given the evidence thus presented and the fact it is a non story for the media.

If the potential for problems were more widely known, it would affect resale value. But they’re not, so it’s not.
And you make a good point about a cover up. For example, why does a YouTube channel test an FK8 in 2018, encounter 1st to 2nd grinds, discuss / highlight the grinds issue; and then post a follow up video focusing on the FK8 gearbox and previous Honda gearbox snafus; but when the same channel tests the revised 2020 FK8, the gearbox is suddenly downgraded to a brief cursory mention and is now described as being merely “finicky”??
So, from chin-stroking, in-depth 12-minute analysis vid to be being briefly described as “finicky” two years later. I’d love to know what’s happened in the intervening period – because nothing’s happened to the gearbox’s design. Hark! What’s that I hear – is it the sound of palms being greased by Honda yen or a tsunami of remarkable coincidence?
But hey, let’s be clear, all I’m saying is that in principle the FK8 is a great car, but there are some potential gearbox problems and overheating issues. Read the Car & Driver long-term test for clarification, and then make your own choice:
www.caranddriver.com/reviews/amp28115797/2019-hond...
And let’s leave it at that

[biggbn]

NGK210 said:

If the potential for problems were more widely known, it would affect resale value. But they’re not, so it’s not.
And you make a good point about a cover up. For example, why does a YouTube channel test an FK8 in 2018, encounter 1st to 2nd grinds, discuss / highlight the grinds issue; and then post a follow up video focusing on the FK8 gearbox and previous Honda gearbox snafus; but when the same channel tests the revised 2020 FK8, the gearbox is suddenly downgraded to a brief cursory mention and is now described as being merely “finicky”??
So, from chin-stroking, in-depth 12-minute analysis vid to be being briefly described as “finicky” two years later. I’d love to know what’s happened in the intervening period – because nothing’s happened to the gearbox’s design. Hark! What’s that I hear – is it the sound of palms being greased by Honda yen or a tsunami of remarkable coincidence?
But hey, let’s be clear, all I’m saying is that in principle the FK8 is a great car, but there are some potential gearbox problems and overheating issues. Read the Car & Driver long-term test for clarification, and then make your own choice:
www.caranddriver.com/reviews/amp28115797/2019-hond...
And let’s leave it at that

You can't have it both ways bro, magazines are reporting it and its a (relatively) rare problem, or Honda are buying off media outlets and covering it up? Gotta be one or the other surely? Thanks for bringing it to my attention nonetheless as I had assumed the cars would have been clockwork reliable like the majority of Hondas. If I am ever lucky enough to be looking at one (extremely unlikely!) I will now know something else to look for!!

[NGK210]

Trevor555 said:

But isn't that what forums are great for?

Sharing the knowledge?

I'm grateful for it as I now know it's something I have to look out for when I'm sent to buy one.

Thank you NGK for sharing.

You’re very welcome

[NGK210]

Diablos-666 said:

To be fair to NGK I was at a track day on Monday with a mate who works for Honda.
I saw an FK there and mentioned this thread and asked about the gearbox issue.
He confirmed that they had multiple cars come in with issues with synchros.
One customer used it on track, as intended and as advertised and lost first gear.
Honda wouldn’t honour the warranty and cited gearbox abuse. The dealer put the gearbox back together without 1st and gave it back to the customer.

Heretic! Off with his head!

[fantheman80]

NGK210 said:

Mercifully, I managed to shift my Scirocco 2.0 Tsi just as Covid-19 dropped. (Don’t get me started on VW.)
Which is why I’m deciding which used 5-door hot hatch to get. One that’s fun to drive, doesn’t guzzle fuel, is not a one-trick pony and doesn’t run the risk of being a potential money pit would be nice – and preferably not a VAG. (Don’t get me started on VW.) Not too much to ask, is it?

Ha so I was right, you were thinking about the type r (as it's exactly what car your after in your criteria description) but the potential gearbox issues and overheating have put you off and it's constant justification to yourself mainly. No probs with that at all, you could indeed get a lemon. I think I speak for all Type r owners when i say we really don't want you in our community, enjoy your i30n or whatever you get, it's arguably going to be inferior but at least you've got that warranty hey. Look forward to seeing you on the next hot hatch thread. Spoiler alert, the FK8 will prob be near the top.

[Another_James]

Trevor555 said:

But isn't that what forums are great for?

Sharing the knowledge?

I'm grateful for it as I now know it's something I have to look out for when I'm sent to buy one.

Thank you NGK for sharing.

Also look out for rust or cracking around the boot lid mounting points and pay particular attention to any wheel damage as they are fragile and hard to refurbish with the red pin stripe.

Tbh what would concern me much more about buying any of these modern Turbo hatches 2nd hand is if it had ever been mapped. I’ve seen a few civics pass through the FB groups that are mapped to 400+ then returned to standard for resale citing the balance of the manufacturer warranty. Honda really won’t replace a gearbox or any driveline component in that situation.

[Another_James]

biggbn said:

Diablos-666 said:

To be fair to NGK I was at a track day on Monday with a mate who works for Honda.
I saw an FK there and mentioned this thread and asked about the gearbox issue.
He confirmed that they had multiple cars come in with issues with synchros.
One customer used it on track, as intended and as advertised and lost first gear.
Honda wouldn’t honour the warranty and cited gearbox abuse. The dealer put the gearbox back together without 1st and gave it back to the customer.

I have agreed with NGK, and i do not doubt that some cars have issues. I just doubt its widespread, and his posts totally ignore, indeed belittle, those who post about their positive experiences

I’d really love to own a E92 M3, but I’m put off by the potential of rod bearing issues and having experienced a spun bearing in a E36 M3 in the past I know that the ownership experience would be soured for me. I’d also happily share this opinion politely once or maybe even twice at the same time acknowledging that the majority of cars are no doubt perfectly reliable but it’s a huge barrier to me personally.

What I don’t do is set about every E92 owner that is happy and enjoying their car, telling them it’s a ticking time bomb, worth 50p and that they are a selfish person for sharing their honest ownership experience.