What’s the future hold for us petrol heads?
Discussion
As 'car enthusiasts' we are probably all missing the most significant point about the introduction of BEVs / banning of ICEs.
And what is the 'point'?
IMHO, the powers that be want to do away with 'enthusiast' driving, to be replaced by mere 'transport', for 'necessary' journeys.
From 'their' perspective why not legislate to (as much as possible) do away with the driver - at least on the sense of decision making.
After all, the technology already exists to have GPS speed limiters - do 100mph down your own drive but once you hit the public highway your vehicle will only go as far as 'the net' allows.
30mph through town, 20mph passing a school, 60 on A road, 70mph divided dual carriageway / motorway etc
And should it start raining ..........
If virtually all vehicles are to be replaced in just a few short years the authorities would be missing a trick if they failed to introduce some sort of autonomous driving (speeds / distances etc), where vehicles speak to one another - this implies some form of common platform, where vehicles all have the same performance - speed acceleration / braking etc
This is why a lot of BEV enthusiasts are, perhaps, deluding themselves, when they rave about the performance of their Tesla.
The majority of the public just want to go from A-B, as quickly and as safely, with minimal damage to the environment, as possible.
Us PH car enthusiasts are a dying breed.
The BEVs of the future will just be transport boxes.
If you like driving, then whether your preferred mode of transport is ICE, diesel, BEV or even bike, the good times are ending.
Sorry. Sad but true.
And what is the 'point'?
IMHO, the powers that be want to do away with 'enthusiast' driving, to be replaced by mere 'transport', for 'necessary' journeys.
From 'their' perspective why not legislate to (as much as possible) do away with the driver - at least on the sense of decision making.
After all, the technology already exists to have GPS speed limiters - do 100mph down your own drive but once you hit the public highway your vehicle will only go as far as 'the net' allows.
30mph through town, 20mph passing a school, 60 on A road, 70mph divided dual carriageway / motorway etc
And should it start raining ..........
If virtually all vehicles are to be replaced in just a few short years the authorities would be missing a trick if they failed to introduce some sort of autonomous driving (speeds / distances etc), where vehicles speak to one another - this implies some form of common platform, where vehicles all have the same performance - speed acceleration / braking etc
This is why a lot of BEV enthusiasts are, perhaps, deluding themselves, when they rave about the performance of their Tesla.
The majority of the public just want to go from A-B, as quickly and as safely, with minimal damage to the environment, as possible.
Us PH car enthusiasts are a dying breed.
The BEVs of the future will just be transport boxes.
If you like driving, then whether your preferred mode of transport is ICE, diesel, BEV or even bike, the good times are ending.
Sorry. Sad but true.
Looking forward to retiring to the sun in a couple of years time, so been looking at LHD options.
So looking at a rosey petrolhead future that could include an electic runabout and a high days and holidays something interesting and old.
Don't think it'll be so rosey in the UK to be honest.
So looking at a rosey petrolhead future that could include an electic runabout and a high days and holidays something interesting and old.
Don't think it'll be so rosey in the UK to be honest.
MrGTI6 said:
I am envious of your optimism and I would love for you to prove me wrong!
What is interesting to you? The performance of an EV (0-60 time) is in many cases already better than that of a petrol car. The torque is better. The top speed is simply gearing, but you can't legally do more than 70, and practically can't do more than 3 figures almost anywhere, so top speed is really irrelevant. Condi said:
MrGTI6 said:
I am envious of your optimism and I would love for you to prove me wrong!
What is interesting to you? The performance of an EV (0-60 time) is in many cases already better than that of a petrol car. The torque is better. The top speed is simply gearing, but you can't legally do more than 70, and practically can't do more than 3 figures almost anywhere, so top speed is really irrelevant. I've driven a few electric cars and there's no noise, no drama, no involvement. Fine for the vast majority of normal people, but not good enough for me!
ghost83 said:
Well they’re already killing petrol, the opf filters are making exhausts quieter and legislation comes in, in 2026 that states exhausts can’t be louder than 68db on new cars at that point you might as well just go electric as part of the enjoyment in a engine is the noises it makes
Yep noise regs and CO2 regs will kill them early. Nowt stopping us keeping older ICE on the road though ... yet.TX.
av185 said:
stabilio said:
Bobtherallyfan said:
I took my 911 out yesterday for a couple of hours of good old fashioned fun. Normally I potter around in it as it’s my pride and joy, something I’ve wanted for years. At the moment, apart from a McLaren that embarrassed me, it’s quicker than anything else I’ve encountered where I live, but that’s going to change. Even now I find myself looking at the badges, or checking out the alloys, to make sure I’m not picking a fight with an electric fridge I can’t win. Luckily I’m at the age when speed will soon matter less than the need to plan rest stops for my bladder. I feel so sorry for the younger generation who will never experience their first twin cam, V6, V8 or the like. 80kWh doesn’t quite have the same ring.
RIP real motoring
But much of the youth show no interest in traditional performance ICE cars. None of my kids or there friends paid any attention to my M car, AMG or Audi RS.RIP real motoring
Stick a Tesla on the drive and suddenly they’re interested and think it’s cool and to have a ride in it.
The Tesla wouldn't get a second glance.
ks about EV, perhaps I inadvertently influenced him though 
TX.
mike74 said:
Welshbeef said:
mike74 said:
I'm just amazed that people are still prepared to buy ''appreciating future classics'' at current insane bubble prices, in particular the 90's & 00's rally reps, hot hatches and fast Fords, they're obviously convinced that prices will keep on rising indefinitely for decades to come.
I'm convinced in the not too distant future UKGOV will be revising the RFL to target older, high emissions, high performance cars as part of the push for EV and there's no guarantee that the endless ZIRPing and money printing that has resulted in the current bubble prices for older performance cars will continue for ever.
Or they actually love those cars and possibly couldn’t afford them then and now can and really want to sample it. I'm convinced in the not too distant future UKGOV will be revising the RFL to target older, high emissions, high performance cars as part of the push for EV and there's no guarantee that the endless ZIRPing and money printing that has resulted in the current bubble prices for older performance cars will continue for ever.
Never buy a car for snake oil value increase instead enjoy it for what it is. Only buy ones you like
It reminds me of the late 80's at the peak of global bubble when Japanese investors were buying out all the top priced Rembrandts and Van Goths.
There was a documentary about this back then where a painting would flip in auction from $20million to $40million, it peaked at $80million before crashing back down to below $20million.
The sad thing was that the owner/investor would keep the painting covered up in secure storage to preserve, not on their wall to look at.
bloomen said:
There'll come a time where electric vehicles are so good and the possibilities so limitless people that who are into ICE cars will be regarded as quaint as traction engine enthusiasts.
I think this. For better or worse ICE cars will always be around, and I'm sure there will be village fairs where people can come and look at what things were like in the 'good old days', but as a mainstream form of transport their days are numbered.Condi said:
MrGTI6 said:
I am envious of your optimism and I would love for you to prove me wrong!
What is interesting to you? The performance of an EV (0-60 time) is in many cases already better than that of a petrol car. The torque is better. The top speed is simply gearing, but you can't legally do more than 70, and practically can't do more than 3 figures almost anywhere, so top speed is really irrelevant. TX.
rjg48 said:
And still nobody buys them.
If you're going to throw out wild statements, at least check they're correct. In Norway plug in electric cars account for over 50% of all car sales, and the share of EV's is rising in most countries around the world. In the UK penetration is fairly low (just under 3%), however that's still up from 0.5% only 5 years ago. You can stick your head in the sand about it, but all that happens is reality will f
k you in the ass. rjg48 said:
I don't understand the mentality of supposed Car fans looking forward to the day when we can no longer buy petrol engined ones.
Weirdos.
Perhaps because the means of propulsion is only one of many factors which enable people to appreciate cars? What about the aesthetics, engineering, handling, performance, comfort. Not to mention planning and execution of road trips, holidays, entertainment systems, detailing, modifying, tuning. Even motorsport will be electric and no more or less exciting (or not) for it.Weirdos.
None of those things are dependant on the installation of a petrol engine.
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