What’s the future hold for us petrol heads?
Discussion
Condi said:
Alias218 said:
BEVs are, objectively, better than ICE vehicles in every way, or at least will be in very short order. However, subjectively, they will never be as good as ICE vehicles (IMO). The sounds, smells, vibrations and tactile feedback through the pedals, gearstick etc. of BEVs will never match those of ICE vehicles. I’ll be keeping my noisy, inefficient 3.5 V6 for the foreseeable fully knowing it’ll never appreciate to any significant value.
People said the same about the steam engine. But what the majority of the public want are a quiet, smooth, cheap and convenient car - and for many people that will either be a hydrogen or battery car, if not now then very shortly.
And the petrol engine will join the steam engine as a thing for enthusiasts.
I can see private cars on H2 will be more popular in Middle East and Asia but battery cars are more suitable for Europe.
Edited by leef44 on Sunday 12th July 15:43
I’ve managed to avoid even owned a diesel, never mind an EV!
Having said that, I’m not against EV’s for commuting and urban use. Quite relaxing in traffic, instant torque etc. So long as I can still have my petrol fun car too.
What I’m not bothered about is a ‘performance’ EV. I’d much rather have one that does say 0-60 in 7 seconds but can do 600 miles on a charge than one that can do 0-60 in 3 seconds but only 200 miles between a charge. I just don’t see the appeal in something that just goes fast in a straight line, like a rollercoaster, but weighs 2.5 tonnes so it’s compromised everywhere else. That would get boring very quickly.
The whole direction of travel for governments is to ultimately have all EV’s controlled by GPS anyway, so they can’t run into each other or break any limits. Short charging times and range are what matters I would say.
Having said that, I’m not against EV’s for commuting and urban use. Quite relaxing in traffic, instant torque etc. So long as I can still have my petrol fun car too.
What I’m not bothered about is a ‘performance’ EV. I’d much rather have one that does say 0-60 in 7 seconds but can do 600 miles on a charge than one that can do 0-60 in 3 seconds but only 200 miles between a charge. I just don’t see the appeal in something that just goes fast in a straight line, like a rollercoaster, but weighs 2.5 tonnes so it’s compromised everywhere else. That would get boring very quickly.
The whole direction of travel for governments is to ultimately have all EV’s controlled by GPS anyway, so they can’t run into each other or break any limits. Short charging times and range are what matters I would say.
We are currently in an era where legislation needs to drive change to move forward on climate change/environmental issues.
UK will encourage BEV and not worry about excessive weight of SUV.
As BEVs start to take hold, tax will change towards weight of vehicle for environmental reasons and manufacturers will adapt again.
Then the next big issue to deal with is the child labour and distructions from excavation of third world for the required metals/minerals. Western world will then make a token effort to make some gestures to make some amendments for this "new issue" which no one could have predicted
UK will encourage BEV and not worry about excessive weight of SUV.
As BEVs start to take hold, tax will change towards weight of vehicle for environmental reasons and manufacturers will adapt again.
Then the next big issue to deal with is the child labour and distructions from excavation of third world for the required metals/minerals. Western world will then make a token effort to make some gestures to make some amendments for this "new issue" which no one could have predicted
The push for EVs is killing my biggest passion and for me, replacing an ICE vehicle with one is like taking away a steak and replacing it with Quorn. I'll be looking to emigrate to somewhere where the eco-nonsense isn't as prevalent before legislation / taxation gets to the point that I have to give up my ICE vehicles.
As mentiined I'd run a small electric runabout down in a Spanish or French small town or village and smoke about in something like this which is getting more and more appealing:
https://www.beverlyhillscarclub.com/1968-chevrolet...
https://www.beverlyhillscarclub.com/1968-chevrolet...
Condi said:
If you're going to throw out wild statements, at least check they're correct. In Norway plug in electric cars account for over 50% of all car sales, and the share of EV's is rising in most countries around the world. In the UK penetration is fairly low (just under 3%), however that's still up from 0.5% only 5 years ago.
You can stick your head in the sand about it, but all that happens is reality will f
k you in the ass.
Where is all this lithium going to come from for everyone to switch to ev? You can stick your head in the sand about it, but all that happens is reality will f
k you in the ass. I'm all for it but honestly lithium is rare and it's not reusable so we're just swapping one problem for another.
We started off buying petrol in 2 gallon cans at the chemists 100 years ago and that's where we will finish off in about 20 years time.
I like IC cars as much as the next man, but they have had there day like steam trains and horses.
They will slowly dwindle and decline becoming static museum pieces or the expensive preserve of dedicated enthusiasts.
As filling station close or convert to mass charging hubs, long trips in IC cars will become more and more problematic unless you lay in petrol supply depots along your route or carry it all with you.
The trip to the Alps in the E-type just isn't going to happen unless someone is accompanying you in an electric fuel bowser.
Tax and legislation will also slowly discriminate firmly against them reducing usage and demand for fuel, hastening the reduction in fuel availability.
I like IC cars as much as the next man, but they have had there day like steam trains and horses.
They will slowly dwindle and decline becoming static museum pieces or the expensive preserve of dedicated enthusiasts.
As filling station close or convert to mass charging hubs, long trips in IC cars will become more and more problematic unless you lay in petrol supply depots along your route or carry it all with you.
The trip to the Alps in the E-type just isn't going to happen unless someone is accompanying you in an electric fuel bowser.
Tax and legislation will also slowly discriminate firmly against them reducing usage and demand for fuel, hastening the reduction in fuel availability.
The deadline is a good few years off so I am going to continue to enjoy my v8 and flat6 engines in the meantime, I cannot see the government banning use as in a cliff edge but may force any IC car that is traded in for a new electric vehicle goes on the scrap heap. Will shedding or bangernomics be a thing of the past?
People will keep running IC cars be it rare and expensive ones or sheds as it just isn't viable to have a fixed date where you have a car one day and nothing the next.
If the current pandemic has shown anything it is fuel prices crash when demand drops, the government will find a way of taxing electricity for cars but then this in the future and expecting a government to have a plan in place for the transition is optimistic at best.
People will keep running IC cars be it rare and expensive ones or sheds as it just isn't viable to have a fixed date where you have a car one day and nothing the next.
If the current pandemic has shown anything it is fuel prices crash when demand drops, the government will find a way of taxing electricity for cars but then this in the future and expecting a government to have a plan in place for the transition is optimistic at best.
rjg48 said:
otolith said:
kambites said:
It's social conditioning. People like us who've grown up associating the sound of a combustion engine with speed and fun can't break the association.
And still nobody buys them.
I would say for a lot of people, it is the cost which is stopping them from changing.
You might have a weekend P&J which you keep as a petrol but for the daily runner.
However, would you not choose an EV if the government changed the tax strategy to the following:
all new ICE purchases, an extra 10,000 pound tax
all new EV purchases, a 10,000 pound subsidy
You might have a weekend P&J which you keep as a petrol but for the daily runner.
However, would you not choose an EV if the government changed the tax strategy to the following:
all new ICE purchases, an extra 10,000 pound tax
all new EV purchases, a 10,000 pound subsidy
The future is bleak for us lot. An EV doesn't really offer anything new that a nice multi-cylinder Mercedes or Lexus has been doing for donkeys years - they are whisper quiet and comfortable - but regardless they aren't something that we'd take out for fun.
Nothing will ever beat the emotion and exhilaration of a great engine.
Nothing will ever beat the emotion and exhilaration of a great engine.
If every car sounded like a Porsche flat six , a Ferrari V12 or a small block Chevy then I'd understand why there is negativity about an EV's whisper But most cars sound anodyne , and now the turbo four is de rigueur , the typical soundtrack is a generic and forgettable white noise . And many of the most vocal cars now make an artificially generated chorus of silly pops and bangs which serve only to ps off everybody apart from the 14year olds (of all ages ) behind the wheel . I remember being at Brands Hatch recently when in a paddock full of TVRs,, 911s , Skylines etc the loudest car was an F Type with a comically loud 'look at me , yes me ! ' exhaust.. Not a nice noise, just a very big one
Few road cars sound really special compared to racers anyway -but bloody hell I hope we keep those...
s off everybody apart from the 14year olds (of all ages ) behind the wheel . I remember being at Brands Hatch recently when in a paddock full of TVRs,, 911s , Skylines etc the loudest car was an F Type with a comically loud 'look at me , yes me ! ' exhaust.. Not a nice noise, just a very big one Few road cars sound really special compared to racers anyway -but bloody hell I hope we keep those...
mwstewart said:
The future is bleak for us lot. An EV doesn't really offer anything new that a nice multi-cylinder Mercedes or Lexus has been doing for donkeys years - they are whisper quiet and comfortable - but regardless they aren't something that we'd take out for fun.
Nothing will ever beat the emotion and exhilaration of a great engine.
Yet a v8 lexus hybrid would be my dream car. Refinement, serenity, marvelous quality. Keep your uncouth bent eights, let me revel in the silence of engineering excellence. Nothing will ever beat the emotion and exhilaration of a great engine.
wizzard450 said:
Yup, dead right there imagine the carnage...
Honda have already announce no more petrol or diesel from 2022,
They are doing hybrids and electric.Honda have already announce no more petrol or diesel from 2022,
A PHEV makes sense to me: "Oh crap, forgot to plug it in last night. Ah well, full tank of petrol, no problems!"
I suppose in the future, a charge would take 3 minutes and give you 1000 miles.
rjg48 said:
I don't understand the mentality of supposed Car fans looking forward to the day when we can no longer buy petrol engined ones.
Weirdos.
I don't understand the mentality of car fans willing to destroy the climate just for holding on to an archaic outdated means of transport..Weirdos.
That seems psychopathic.
RobDickinson said:
rjg48 said:
I don't understand the mentality of supposed Car fans looking forward to the day when we can no longer buy petrol engined ones.
Weirdos.
I don't understand the mentality of car fans willing to destroy the climate just for holding on to an archaic outdated means of transport..Weirdos.
That seems psychopathic.
RobDickinson said:
rjg48 said:
I don't understand the mentality of supposed Car fans looking forward to the day when we can no longer buy petrol engined ones.
Weirdos.
I don't understand the mentality of car fans willing to destroy the climate just for holding on to an archaic outdated means of transport..Weirdos.
That seems psychopathic.
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