BOTB - rigged?

[DonkeyApple]

ooid said:

Donkey, genuine question as you seem to have some knowledge in the industry.

Does Sweden offer something niche to online gambling industry / technology field? Just curious...

I don't know. Twenty years ago there was a Swedish tech company that built retail trading platforms and a UK spank shop was run from there for a while.

They have a state owned gaming entity so I guess they're likely to have a gaming tech industry.

[anonymous-user]

TonyTony said:

I don't know if its because I've just seen this, but the conversation they have about his business just seems so insincere. Hes asking him questions he knows the answers to.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HSccIt8lK7I&fe...

Felt a bit like an advert.

[TriplePPP]

We are currently targeting people who like Pistonheads on Facebook for one of our competitions.

From some of the comments we have definitely got some of the more extreme people from the watch forum commenting!

As said I believe this guy is just spreading his entries on quite a scale and therefore is bound to win some.

Edited by TriplePPP on Saturday 9th January 23:11

[TonyTony]

Apparently Elite Competitions (The place he won £285k before the BOTB win) told somebody who contacted them about it that he had spent £20k on tickets for that competition.

[Mikebentley]

I reckon he’s been laundering his share of the Chancellor’s free COVID money.

[V8mate]

TonyTony said:

Apparently Elite Competitions (The place he won £285k before the BOTB win) told somebody who contacted them about it that he had spent £20k on tickets for that competition.

An approach he couldn't have used with BOTB.

[p1stonhead]

V8mate said:

TonyTony said:

Apparently Elite Competitions (The place he won £285k before the BOTB win) told somebody who contacted them about it that he had spent £20k on tickets for that competition.

An approach he couldn't have used with BOTB.

Why not? Isn’t it a raffle with a limited number of tickets available?

I always see them at the airport at something like £20 a ticket right?

[TonyTony]

Just looked, BOTB is 100 tickets per comp per person.

[TonyTony]

p1stonhead said:

Why not? Isn’t it a raffle with a limited number of tickets available?

I always see them at the airport at something like £20 a ticket right?

Its spot the ball but still has a limit of 100 tickets/clicks on one comp though.

[p1stonhead]

TonyTony said:

p1stonhead said:

Why not? Isn’t it a raffle with a limited number of tickets available?

I always see them at the airport at something like £20 a ticket right?

Its spot the ball but still has a limit of 100 tickets/clicks on one comp though.

It is? Have they changed it?

I thought it was just a lottery.

[TonyTony]

p1stonhead said:

It is? Have they changed it?

I thought it was just a lottery.

Nope its always been that way.

In the airport set ups they don't really explain much to you and just get you to buy a ticket and use a touchscreen to place your ball. When you do it online you can pick multiple tickets/cars and place them all on one comp using your mouse on the picture.

To get through the laws of it you aren't actually guessing where the ball actually is though, you are basically competing against where a panel of judges also think it is and whoever is closest to the judges choice is the winner.

[DonkeyApple]

p1stonhead said:

TonyTony said:

p1stonhead said:

Why not? Isn’t it a raffle with a limited number of tickets available?

I always see them at the airport at something like £20 a ticket right?

Its spot the ball but still has a limit of 100 tickets/clicks on one comp though.

It is? Have they changed it?

I thought it was just a lottery.

They use the 'Game of Skill' legislation for spot the ball to get around not coming under the Gaming Act on one side and the raffle rules re free entries. Or at least they used to. It is quite some years since I looked at all this stuff. We were going to launch a business in 2008 so spent quite a bit of money building the legal framework. We had a nice deal with several premier league football clubs among others. What actually stopped us from launching back then was that payment gateways wouldn't take the business back then and the ones that did carried large chargeback penalties. The reason why the industry has exploded in the last two years is that this problem has gone away with the arrival of new payment services and a relaxing of rules by existing ones.

What will happen within the next year or so is that a change of law will be brought about to regulate the repeat game side of this, probably to bring it under the Gaming Act. The work on this is already underway as we dusted off our plans last year but advice from a couple of the big law firms led us to believe that we would have too short a time window to build the business to a large enough scale to be able to easily adapt to the likely regulatory changes that would be appearing.

[anonymous-user]

TonyTony said:

whoever is closest to the judges choice is the winner.

There is one caveat, if two are closest the 2nd guess is used. So if you dont buy two tickets and this happened you would lose.

[blueST]

The Spruce Goose said:

TonyTony said:

whoever is closest to the judges choice is the winner.

There is one caveat, if two are closest the 2nd guess is used. So if you dont buy two tickets and this happened you would lose.

I don’t think that’s correct. When I read the t&c page I’m sure it said that if one or more of the people in the tie didn’t have a 2nd go then a there would be new game just involving the people in the tie.

[SimonTheSailor]

That's right - goes to a tie breaker so you can still win by buying only one ticket.

[TonyTony]

Theres 2 tie breakers.

I think if both people in the tie breaker have only that ticket they compete against each other in another game.

But if either of them have another ticket it goes to that one, thats how it reads anyway.

[V8mate]

p1stonhead said:

The Spruce Goose said:

p1stonhead said:

This doesn’t look great....

https://reddit.com/r/CarTalkUK/comments/ksb4or/wha...

Do the winners always have a photo?

No idea. I only stumbled across it on Reddit and then remembered this thread. Nothing to do with me.

Looks mighty suspicious though even though its most likely nothing to do with BOTB. Everyone knows they’re legit even some guys on here have won I’m sure.

I've found this revelation so perplexing. I've always been very eyes-wide open when it comes to gambling - always consider the stake - odds - reward and play with pocket money amounts.

I think we generally agree that BOTB has more reasons to play a straight bat than not. It's a PLC, which has worked hard over decades to build its brand etc.

But this needs a response from them. No-one is as lucky as this guy - especially over a short period. And - tinfoil hat on - for BOTB to 'skip a week' on the payout front - if he didn't collect and was simply a promotional middleman - that would be a significant earner for them.

[Sway]

Fore Left said:

People do win big more than once

https://www.lovemoney.com/gallerylist/76987/lotter...

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/apr/01/br...

And we don't know all the competitions he entered and didn't win.

Yep.

This aussie dude had a pretty good run - woke up from a coma, and won a car on a scratchcard.

When being filmed "re-enacting" the win, he won $250k on another scratchcard!

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.dailymail.co.uk/n...

[rich12]

If it is the guy cheating the companies which seems most likely. What I just can't understand is why he is so happy to have his face and name everywhere.

Surely the better way to do this is like using drug mules? Do whatever he is doing but getting friends/family to 'claim the prize'. That way he can do this a lot longer and go almost completely under the radar.

[V8mate]

rich12 said:

If it is the guy cheating the companies which seems most likely. What I just can't understand is why he is so happy to have his face and name everywhere.

Surely the better way to do this is like using drug mules? Do whatever he is doing but getting friends/family to 'claim the prize'. That way he can do this a lot longer and go almost completely under the radar.

Thing is, he can vastly improve his chances with many of these games by throwing a decent five-figure sum at them.
But BOTB isn't in that cohort. Unless he's found a way round it... which means that BOTB's due diligence isn't up to much.

I won't be playing with BOTB again - not until I can be sure that my stake has as equal a chance as everyone else's.