RE: 2020 Ford Bronco is 'Built Wild'
Discussion
The Roadshow YouTube channel has just posted a video interview with the man responsible for the Bronco design. This will be of interest here. among other things, in response to a question, he stated it was designed for the North American market. The design was therefore not constrained by the requirements of European regulations. From that reply I conclude it will not be coming to Europe/the UK.
oldtimer2 said:
The Roadshow YouTube channel has just posted a video interview with the man responsible for the Bronco design. This will be of interest here. among other things, in response to a question, he stated it was designed for the North American market. The design was therefore not constrained by the requirements of European regulations. From that reply I conclude it will not be coming to Europe/the UK.
Another angle: If it turns out to be as wildly successful in the US as the reaction would seem to suggest, then Ford would have little financial need to bring it to RHD markets...It appears that oldtimer2 is spot-on in his assessment:
https://youtu.be/x-sy9boP0DI?t=869
At the preceding link (which is preset to play at the quote in question), the head of Bronco design, Paul Wraith, says:
. . . "Our focus is on the North American markets. We're not intending to sell it in Europe, for example. That liberates us to do, to push the vehicle to even more extreme lengths."
. . . "Europe's got some particularly stringent tyre coverage and pedestrian impact criteria, specifically tuned to that market."
. . . "We've got provisions within the design, but actually, without that as a burden, we can focus on doing what we think is explicitly right for Bronco and explicitly right for the US market."
If tradition holds, there will still be a handful of official exports from the factory, for markets such as Switzerland and the Middle East. And for the other two occupants of North America: Canada and Mexico.
Wraith incidentally is a Briton with extensive multinational experience, if you google around (or if you've visited the Bronco launch thread on PH
).300bhp/ton said:
crossie said:
Anyone know if its coming to the UK or not?
Which one, the article is about more than one vehicle.This one, maybe and quite likely I'd think. But who knows when.
These ones, probably less likely. At least in the short term. Suspect Ford will be busy fulfilling US orders for at least the first year.
Jeep do sell some Wranglers here now. So there is clearly a market. I think the decider will be if Ford decide to sell these in Oz. If so, then yes, I assume we will get an underspecced and overpriced version.
unsprung said:
It appears that oldtimer2 is spot-on in his assessment:
https://youtu.be/x-sy9boP0DI?t=869
At the preceding link (which is preset to play at the quote in question), the head of Bronco design, Paul Wraith, says:
. . . "Our focus is on the North American markets. We're not intending to sell it in Europe, for example. That liberates us to do, to push the vehicle to even more extreme lengths."
. . . "Europe's got some particularly stringent tyre coverage and pedestrian impact criteria, specifically tuned to that market."
. . . "We've got provisions within the design, but actually, without that as a burden, we can focus on doing what we think is explicitly right for Bronco and explicitly right for the US market."
If tradition holds, there will still be a handful of official exports from the factory, for markets such as Switzerland and the Middle East. And for the other two occupants of North America: Canada and Mexico.
Wraith incidentally is a Briton with extensive multinational experience, if you google around (or if you've visited the Bronco launch thread on PH ).
as i mentioned waaay back on about page 3 when people started complainnig that the new defender was not a patch on this new bronco.https://youtu.be/x-sy9boP0DI?t=869
At the preceding link (which is preset to play at the quote in question), the head of Bronco design, Paul Wraith, says:
. . . "Our focus is on the North American markets. We're not intending to sell it in Europe, for example. That liberates us to do, to push the vehicle to even more extreme lengths."
. . . "Europe's got some particularly stringent tyre coverage and pedestrian impact criteria, specifically tuned to that market."
. . . "We've got provisions within the design, but actually, without that as a burden, we can focus on doing what we think is explicitly right for Bronco and explicitly right for the US market."
If tradition holds, there will still be a handful of official exports from the factory, for markets such as Switzerland and the Middle East. And for the other two occupants of North America: Canada and Mexico.
Wraith incidentally is a Briton with extensive multinational experience, if you google around (or if you've visited the Bronco launch thread on PH
).Well i guess it's always easier to make a car that you cant' actually buy pretty dam awesome!! lol!
Max_Torque said:
as i mentioned waaay back on about page 3 when people started complainnig that the new defender was not a patch on this new bronco.
Well i guess it's always easier to make a car that you cant' actually buy pretty dam awesome!! lol!
As 300bhp/ton has said: the new Bronco could make for a satisfying personal import. With LHD adding to the sense of occasion.Well i guess it's always easier to make a car that you cant' actually buy pretty dam awesome!! lol!
While I'm a bit wary of appearing to go up against your knowledge of the industry, I'm not ready to exclude the UK from Bronco fun just yet.
As with Mustang and the C8 Corvette, UK ownership has never been, for me, about sales volume. It's about a more colourful community with a greater range of experiences and, crucially, voices.
powerstroke said:
crossie said:
Anyone know if its coming to the UK or not?
Yes almost certainly , just won't be available with the steering wheel on the wrong side or PCP from your local Ford franchise
Beefmeister said:
powerstroke said:
crossie said:
Anyone know if its coming to the UK or not?
Yes almost certainly , just won't be available with the steering wheel on the wrong side or PCP from your local Ford franchise
I really like it, and there's some fascinating "aha!" ideas they've used that I'm surprised we've not seen someone do sooner.
- removable roof and doors aren't as fast to put back on if the heavens open... but all the switchgear etc inside is waterproof, so it won't be a disaster if it does get wet.
- 6 speed gearboxes offer plenty of spread as it is, so if extending that with a 7th gear, use it to have a super-low crawler 1st. Yes, crawler first gears have been used to good effect before, but often aftthe expense of the normal range available. Also, the dogleg H pattern with it under reverse on the left means 2-7 form a "normal" shift pattern.
- using the electronic control of braking to give fiddle/tractor brakes - wind on full lock of road, and it can brake the inside rear wheel to tighten up the turn. It's so bloody obvious now someone's done it, you wonder why it wasn't done before.
- the picatinny rail thing for GPS displays, cameras, phones etc, that's really handy
- removable roof and doors aren't as fast to put back on if the heavens open... but all the switchgear etc inside is waterproof, so it won't be a disaster if it does get wet.
- 6 speed gearboxes offer plenty of spread as it is, so if extending that with a 7th gear, use it to have a super-low crawler 1st. Yes, crawler first gears have been used to good effect before, but often aftthe expense of the normal range available. Also, the dogleg H pattern with it under reverse on the left means 2-7 form a "normal" shift pattern.
- using the electronic control of braking to give fiddle/tractor brakes - wind on full lock of road, and it can brake the inside rear wheel to tighten up the turn. It's so bloody obvious now someone's done it, you wonder why it wasn't done before.
- the picatinny rail thing for GPS displays, cameras, phones etc, that's really handy
InitialDave said:
I really like it, and there's some fascinating "aha!" ideas they've used that I'm surprised we've not seen someone do sooner.
- removable roof and doors aren't as fast to put back on if the heavens open... but all the switchgear etc inside is waterproof, so it won't be a disaster if it does get wet.
- 6 speed gearboxes offer plenty of spread as it is, so if extending that with a 7th gear, use it to have a super-low crawler 1st. Yes, crawler first gears have been used to good effect before, but often aftthe expense of the normal range available. Also, the dogleg H pattern with it under reverse on the left means 2-7 form a "normal" shift pattern.
- using the electronic control of braking to give fiddle/tractor brakes - wind on full lock of road, and it can brake the inside rear wheel to tighten up the turn. It's so bloody obvious now someone's done it, you wonder why it wasn't done before.
- the picatinny rail thing for GPS displays, cameras, phones etc, that's really handy
I agree, some awesome features. And it does make you wonder why some haven't been done before.- removable roof and doors aren't as fast to put back on if the heavens open... but all the switchgear etc inside is waterproof, so it won't be a disaster if it does get wet.
- 6 speed gearboxes offer plenty of spread as it is, so if extending that with a 7th gear, use it to have a super-low crawler 1st. Yes, crawler first gears have been used to good effect before, but often aftthe expense of the normal range available. Also, the dogleg H pattern with it under reverse on the left means 2-7 form a "normal" shift pattern.
- using the electronic control of braking to give fiddle/tractor brakes - wind on full lock of road, and it can brake the inside rear wheel to tighten up the turn. It's so bloody obvious now someone's done it, you wonder why it wasn't done before.
- the picatinny rail thing for GPS displays, cameras, phones etc, that's really handy
The Trail Assist Turning is rather clever. Not a whole heap on the Ford website, but it does look like it requires the 10 speed auto and the centre diff. What it does is send power to the front wheels and brake the inner rear wheel.
The 7 speed manual I can't find any official pics, but there is this image floating around online:
Beefmeister said:
Not this life cycle, no. The facelift/PHEV update will if demand is there from Aus and SA. Which it will be as it’s right up their strasse.
To be sold in the UK, wouldn't that require either EU type approval (which sounds like it won't happen) or the UK diverging from EU type approval to some extent (possible post-Brexit, although no idea if realistic)?300bhp/ton said:
I agree, some awesome features. And it does make you wonder why some haven't been done before.
The Trail Assist Turning is rather clever. Not a whole heap on the Ford website, but it does look like it requires the 10 speed auto and the centre diff. What it does is send power to the front wheels and brake the inner rear wheel.
Mmm, I know it's really just an extension of what roadgoing traction/stability control has done for years, but then, so was hill descent control, it's the direct off road application of it that makes you wonder why you didnt think of it yourself.The Trail Assist Turning is rather clever. Not a whole heap on the Ford website, but it does look like it requires the 10 speed auto and the centre diff. What it does is send power to the front wheels and brake the inner rear wheel.
300bhp/ton said:
The 7 speed manual I can't find any official pics, but there is this image floating around online:
Yeah, I think it's a good layout, as it keeps the "natural" H pattern and makes it clear that the "real" first gear is the crawler C.Beefmeister said:
Just sharing some insider knowledge
That sounds like a privileged place to be.Unfortunately your claim contradicts statements made by the Bronco head of design, Paul Wraith, in a video shared earlier in this thread.
The next generation of Bronco might not appear for another, say, six years. Any RHD variant of that might require a further 12 months (as LHD will be the priority). Is this the sort of time frame -- seven years -- that you're asking consumers to wait?
Nobody's suggesting that you say anything about your insider source. The fundamentals of what you claim, however, don't form the basis of a credible argument.
unsprung said:
That sounds like a privileged place to be.
Unfortunately your claim contradicts statements made by the Bronco head of design, Paul Wraith, in a video shared earlier in this thread.
The next generation of Bronco might not appear for another, say, six years. Any RHD variant of that might require a further 12 months (as LHD will be the priority). Is this the sort of time frame -- seven years -- that you're asking consumers to wait?
Nobody's suggesting that you say anything about your insider source. The fundamentals of what you claim, however, don't form the basis of a credible argument.
Not next generation - mid lifecycle update, which is traditionally a three year thing. The PHEV drivetrains are certainly coming (already being tested), and to convert to RHD won't be too difficult as it's Ranger based. Unfortunately your claim contradicts statements made by the Bronco head of design, Paul Wraith, in a video shared earlier in this thread.
The next generation of Bronco might not appear for another, say, six years. Any RHD variant of that might require a further 12 months (as LHD will be the priority). Is this the sort of time frame -- seven years -- that you're asking consumers to wait?
Nobody's suggesting that you say anything about your insider source. The fundamentals of what you claim, however, don't form the basis of a credible argument.
And with all due respect, what the head of design says in a PR video now bears zero relevance to future product plans - he says what he's told to say. They won't want to tell people about more powerful and efficient PHEV models coming as it'll lose them sales now.
And similarly they won't be able to mention RHD yet as the case hasn't been signed off. It's all dependent on interest from Aus and SA as they would potentially be big sales markets. Even if RHD did come out, the UK would still represent tiny sales. Lots of people say they'd buy one but few would actually part with the cash.
Did I also mention that the Mustang Mach-1 is defintiely coming to Europe, and in RHD in early 2021 too?
dxg said:
oldtimer2 said:
The Roadshow YouTube channel has just posted a video interview with the man responsible for the Bronco design. This will be of interest here. among other things, in response to a question, he stated it was designed for the North American market. The design was therefore not constrained by the requirements of European regulations. From that reply I conclude it will not be coming to Europe/the UK.
Another angle: If it turns out to be as wildly successful in the US as the reaction would seem to suggest, then Ford would have little financial need to bring it to RHD markets...I'm keeping a watching eye on it as I love the big one to look at.
Beefmeister said:
Not next generation - mid lifecycle update, which is traditionally a three year thing. The PHEV drivetrains are certainly coming (already being tested), and to convert to RHD won't be too difficult as it's Ranger based.
And with all due respect, what the head of design says in a PR video now bears zero relevance to future product plans - he says what he's told to say. They won't want to tell people about more powerful and efficient PHEV models coming as it'll lose them sales now.
And similarly they won't be able to mention RHD yet as the case hasn't been signed off. It's all dependent on interest from Aus and SA as they would potentially be big sales markets. Even if RHD did come out, the UK would still represent tiny sales. Lots of people say they'd buy one but few would actually part with the cash.
Did I also mention that the Mustang Mach-1 is defintiely coming to Europe, and in RHD in early 2021 too?
Three years is more appealing than seven years.And with all due respect, what the head of design says in a PR video now bears zero relevance to future product plans - he says what he's told to say. They won't want to tell people about more powerful and efficient PHEV models coming as it'll lose them sales now.
And similarly they won't be able to mention RHD yet as the case hasn't been signed off. It's all dependent on interest from Aus and SA as they would potentially be big sales markets. Even if RHD did come out, the UK would still represent tiny sales. Lots of people say they'd buy one but few would actually part with the cash.
Did I also mention that the Mustang Mach-1 is defintiely coming to Europe, and in RHD in early 2021 too?
You haven’t mentioned expansion to a greater number of LHD markets. Are those considered less interesting than Australia and South Africa?
If the new Bronco ignores EU design requirements for tyre placement and pedestrian impact (the Paul Wraith statements), are you saying that the mid-cycle refresh will make those issues go away?
Although its platform allows for RHD, the current generation of Bronco was not developed for that. Now Ford will go back to the drawing board to perform this work retroactively?
You've mentioned that no RHD business case has been approved, and that sounds sensible. There’s a lot here that looks improbable or precarious.
We do know that hybrid powertrains are on the way, as these have been mooted, along with corroborating evidence, elsewhere online.
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