RE: New BMW iX3 gets 286hp and 285-mile range
Discussion
essayer said:
DonkeyApple said:
That’s the real benefit of the Tesla rather than its charging network. The fact that it has enough range to mean you don’t have to use it. You can get from your home to another home, lunch out or weekend hotel without having to venture near certain places.
Maybe in 2016 when we were all bimbling in 22kWh Zoe's and 33kWh i3's, but they're not really ahead now are they? Taycan is 93kWh
iPace is 90kWh
eTron 95kWh
Tesla 100kWh, less for the s/h models
Superchargers are great but ionity/Polar are getting organised now too. Not as clear cut as it once was.
I suspect it will be the same with this BMW. The majority of buyers will be people who can make use of it, outside of anomalous events, through just charging it privately.
It’s akin to higher rate tax payers not naturally choosing to have an evening drink in a Wetherspoons.
DonkeyApple said:
Absolutely. The point being that these are expensive cars and more often than not, users of high end cars don’t relish going into service stations. Most people buying these cars will be doing so because almost all of the time they can do their driving without having to resort to public charging.
I suspect it will be the same with this BMW. The majority of buyers will be people who can make use of it, outside of anomalous events, through just charging it privately.
It’s akin to higher rate tax payers not naturally choosing to have an evening drink in a Wetherspoons.
Hmm, well I'm in the highest rate tax bracket, but I would have no qualms whatsoever about going in to a Wetherspoons for a drink. In fact, sometimes I'd find it more preferable, as I'm less likely to bump in to pseudo-riche w@nkers stuck up their own @rses. But hey, each to their own.I suspect it will be the same with this BMW. The majority of buyers will be people who can make use of it, outside of anomalous events, through just charging it privately.
It’s akin to higher rate tax payers not naturally choosing to have an evening drink in a Wetherspoons.
Wills2 said:
I think that very much depends on the driving usage and it appears to be the reverse of ICE cars, shorter low speed runs give a better range whilst cruising down the motorway at 70 mph hurts the potential range.
Harry's garage did a good review on the Ipace and discovered that as he only managed a real world range (leaving a sensible 30 mile reserve) of around 150 miles on a round to London and it was the motorway sections that did the damage.
Yes, this is the thing I always remember as well. And frustratingly, it's those same motorway cruises that are likely to see you needing to rely on the UK's fragmented and patchy public charging infrastructure. Tesla have been incredibly smart in at least trying to address the latter, in my view. Harry's garage did a good review on the Ipace and discovered that as he only managed a real world range (leaving a sensible 30 mile reserve) of around 150 miles on a round to London and it was the motorway sections that did the damage.
I could manage perfectly well with an electric car 25 days out of a month. The remaining 5-6 would, in anything other than a Tesla at least, be a monumental inconvenience.
essayer said:
Being wealthy does not strengthen your bladder
Very true but it may mean you’re more likely to remember to go before you leave the house. 
I would hazard that the majority of ‘long’ journeys aren’t much greater than 100 miles in the UK and most people could do that without needing the toilet. A bit of driving around when there and then the run home and with the right EV you have absolutely no inconveniences and get all the benefits of an EV over ICE. A viable 300 mile range is likely to be enough for a large number of people.
Looks perfect for me, cheaper than the Tesla (s) equivalent, maybe not the 3. I do 25-30k miles a year. 120-200 miles a day fairly regularly to the office / various sites around the South West and the odd 250 mile run down to the far far end. If I can reliably get 200-210 miles out of it, perfect. For the 250 mile runs? I usually stay over and stop half way at Cullompton for a pish and a double sausage and egg, which takes 15-20 anyway. Save £2.5k on diesel, spend £500 on electric. List price is irrelevant, comes down to the monthlies really, its white goods at the end of the day, hand back in 3-4 years.
Arsecati said:
Hmm, well I'm in the highest rate tax bracket, but I would have no qualms whatsoever about going in to a Wetherspoons for a drink. In fact, sometimes I'd find it more preferable, as I'm less likely to bump in to pseudo-riche w@nkers stuck up their own @rses. But hey, each to their own.
+1, and I actually like their breakfasts!Arsecati said:
Hmm, well I'm in the highest rate tax bracket, but I would have no qualms whatsoever about going in to a Wetherspoons for a drink. In fact, sometimes I'd find it more preferable, as I'm less likely to bump in to pseudo-riche w@nkers stuck up their own @rses. But hey, each to their own.
One swallow does not a summer make. 
dgswk said:
Looks perfect for me, cheaper than the Tesla (s) equivalent, maybe not the 3. I do 25-30k miles a year. 120-200 miles a day fairly regularly to the office / various sites around the South West and the odd 250 mile run down to the far far end. If I can reliably get 200-210 miles out of it, perfect. For the 250 mile runs? I usually stay over and stop half way at Cullompton for a pish and a double sausage and egg, which takes 15-20 anyway. Save £2.5k on diesel, spend £500 on electric. List price is irrelevant, comes down to the monthlies really, its white goods at the end of the day, hand back in 3-4 years.
Ionity are installing in Collumpton services apparentlygranada203028 said:
I am trying to understand if the price is a joke or not.Why is it so expensive?
jamoor said:
granada203028 said:
I am trying to understand if the price is a joke or not.Why is it so expensive?
It's not rocket surgery how their UK pricing works.
jamoor said:
GT119 said:
Has anyone ever paid list price for a £50k+ mainstream BMW?
It's not rocket surgery how their UK pricing works.
Well how much is it then?It's not rocket surgery how their UK pricing works.
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