RE: BMW 440i (F32) | Spotted

[carparkno1]

iDave said:

My neighbour used to work for a BMW dealer and was able to spec his own company/demonstrator vehicle so had one just like this but in white with a strange shade of tan brown interior, I was shocked to see it was a manual! Must be very rare.

I always thought it was a bit of an up yours to the dealer speccing it as he had done.

I went for it on mine, had red before so fancied something different!

[AMC7]

TyrannosauRoss Lex said:

pb8g09 said:

Neighbour has one of these, it looks great. Much more subtle than the M4 but similar on-road performance. Love the interior colour too.

Errrr......

In fairness they are quick and sound much better than the M. Nowhere near as fast though. Its not even close tbh. I nearly bought a 440i GC before I bought my M3 and while the M3 is a mega car for when you're in the mood imo its a terrible cruiser with horrible NVH and a bumpy old ride even in comfort so its going this week and I'm back on the hunt for a 440i GC lol.

[Court_S]

carparkno1 said:

I went for it on mine, had red before so fancied something different!

Cognac?

I thought about cognac for my M140i after the discontinued Coral but the sample in my lock dealer looked crack and nothing like the car I saw in the flesh with it after it was too late to change. Oh well.

[carparkno1]

Court_S said:

carparkno1 said:

I went for it on mine, had red before so fancied something different!

Cognac?

Yup. I've only seen one other 440i with it in 18 months. I think it works well in a dark car, it's not as deep as caramel but it has worn well so far under my considerable frame lol

Speaking of which, I think that's one of the best things about the F32. The driving position is perfect for me at 6ft4. I feel like I'm in the car nice and low with control. Our other car is a focus and that always feels like you're sitting on the seat rather than in it.

Edited by carparkno1 on Monday 27th July 08:47

[pb8g09]

AMC7 said:

TyrannosauRoss Lex said:

pb8g09 said:

Neighbour has one of these, it looks great. Much more subtle than the M4 but similar on-road performance. Love the interior colour too.

Errrr......

In fairness they are quick and sound much better than the M. Nowhere near as fast though. Its not even close tbh. I nearly bought a 440i GC before I bought my M3 and while the M3 is a mega car for when you're in the mood imo its a terrible cruiser with horrible NVH and a bumpy old ride even in comfort so its going this week and I'm back on the hunt for a 440i GC lol.

To both your's and Tyranno's comments, that extra 0.9 seconds (circa) to 60 on a public road is not going to make a dramatic difference to your enjoyment. Therefore, yes, on the road, they are similar unless being driven hell bent for leather everywhere.

Agree therefore with your rationale on swapping the M3 - though I bet you'll probably regret when it comes to resale and compare the residuals!

[TyrannosauRoss Lex]

pb8g09 said:

AMC7 said:

TyrannosauRoss Lex said:

pb8g09 said:

Neighbour has one of these, it looks great. Much more subtle than the M4 but similar on-road performance. Love the interior colour too.

Errrr......

In fairness they are quick and sound much better than the M. Nowhere near as fast though. Its not even close tbh. I nearly bought a 440i GC before I bought my M3 and while the M3 is a mega car for when you're in the mood imo its a terrible cruiser with horrible NVH and a bumpy old ride even in comfort so its going this week and I'm back on the hunt for a 440i GC lol.

To both your's and Tyranno's comments, that extra 0.9 seconds (circa) to 60 on a public road is not going to make a dramatic difference to your enjoyment. Therefore, yes, on the road, they are similar unless being driven hell bent for leather everywhere.

Agree therefore with your rationale on swapping the M3 - though I bet you'll probably regret when it comes to resale and compare the residuals!

Ah I see, yes, if you view "on-road performance" as a 0-60mph sprint then you may be right. For in gear acceleration, at motorway speeds, or overtakes on single carriageways etc then they are quite different levels, but yes, if "on-road" is just 0-60 then perhaps you are correct.

[pb8g09]

TyrannosauRoss Lex said:

Ah I see, yes, if you view "on-road performance" as a 0-60mph sprint then you may be right. For in gear acceleration, at motorway speeds, or overtakes on single carriageways etc then they are quite different levels, but yes, if "on-road" is just 0-60 then perhaps you are correct.

How much is "quite different" then for 50-70mph? - you're typical single carriageway overtake.

[TyrannosauRoss Lex]

pb8g09 said:

TyrannosauRoss Lex said:

Ah I see, yes, if you view "on-road performance" as a 0-60mph sprint then you may be right. For in gear acceleration, at motorway speeds, or overtakes on single carriageways etc then they are quite different levels, but yes, if "on-road" is just 0-60 then perhaps you are correct.

How much is "quite different" then for 50-70mph? - you're typical single carriageway overtake.

Well from 80-140kmh the 440i takes 4.8s here
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mq72-ejBcys

And the M4 seems to take around 3.4-3.5s here
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OzVfLD9zpTw

Whilst not "gospel" of course, let's say 3.5 vs 4.8, that means the 440i is taking 35-40% longer. I reckon that's fairly significant, not sure about you though. Of course, the difference becomes bigger as the speed goes up. This also means the engine is more flexible (ie don't need to rev it so hard to make good progress).

[147lusso]

pb8g09 said:

TyrannosauRoss Lex said:

Ah I see, yes, if you view "on-road performance" as a 0-60mph sprint then you may be right. For in gear acceleration, at motorway speeds, or overtakes on single carriageways etc then they are quite different levels, but yes, if "on-road" is just 0-60 then perhaps you are correct.

How much is "quite different" then for 50-70mph? - you're typical single carriageway overtake.

I think using figures on paper to determine whether a car has better on-road performance is a bit binary and daft to be honest. Drive a 440i and drive an M4 and you will find its in a completely different world of performance.

Not to discredit the 440i though, they're lovely cruisers with a good turn of speed.

[AI1694]

I think BMW did a fantastic job on the 4 series, one of their best designs in recent times I’d say. My choice would be a 2 door in Snapper rocks blue with zf 8 speed. But I wonder how much of an upgrade it would be over my 335i..

[James-m5qjf]

Doesn’t the new m4 used the B58 with twin turbos? It seems like that new M340i is fairly similar engine performance wise to the outgoing M4, meaning stick the MPPSK on this model and now we’re talking. Sure, the suspension and chassis on the M4 will make a real difference, but unless you’re on track the benefits won’t be night and day anyway.

[Court_S]

James-m5qjf said:

Doesn’t the new m4 used the B58 with twin turbos? It seems like that new M340i is fairly similar engine performance wise to the outgoing M4, meaning stick the MPPSK on this model and now we’re talking. Sure, the suspension and chassis on the M4 will make a real difference, but unless you’re on track the benefits won’t be night and day anyway.

The S58 is derived from the B58 but with some pretty big changes. In the same way the S55 was derived from the N55.

[nickfrog]

James-m5qjf said:

Doesn’t the new m4 used the B58 with twin turbos? It seems like that new M340i is fairly similar engine performance wise to the outgoing M4, meaning stick the MPPSK on this model and now we’re talking. Sure, the suspension and chassis on the M4 will make a real difference, but unless you’re on track the benefits won’t be night and day anyway.

Not might and day, sure. They're both road cars. But a significantly different driving experience, even on the road.

[RiccardoG]

To current and past owners, how are these cars in terms of refinement? I recently was in a F31 (estate) for a long m-way trip and was very dissapointed with the road noise and noise in general for motorway driving. It was a 320d with some sport stuff/wheels.

Certainly more noise than in my E39 and also seemed more than my parents E91.

[spreadsheet monkey]

Argleton said:

Funny how 'supermini money' to me means 'about £10k' but in this context means a whopping £24k.

Base model Fiesta or Corsa is £16k these days, before discount. The price can easily creep above £20k for a non-sporty supermini if you want five doors and a bit more power and a decent spec.

[stuart_83]

RiccardoG said:

To current and past owners, how are these cars in terms of refinement? I recently was in a F31 (estate) for a long m-way trip and was very dissapointed with the road noise and noise in general for motorway driving. It was a 320d with some sport stuff/wheels.

Certainly more noise than in my E39 and also seemed more than my parents E91.

Smooth and quiet. I get some wind noise at higher speeds due to the pillarless doors, but drove from the Midlands to St.Mawes last Summer and got out relaxed.

I'd also managed 45mpg which was impressive.

[anonymous-user]

spreadsheet monkey said:

Argleton said:

Funny how 'supermini money' to me means 'about £10k' but in this context means a whopping £24k.

Base model Fiesta or Corsa is £16k these days, before discount. The price can easily creep above £20k for a non-sporty supermini if you want five doors and a bit more power and a decent spec.

No I know that, I just think the Fiesta has outgrown the supermini genre. Especially compared to something like a VW Up.

[macperc]

roadie said:

At 10k miles it's basically new! Nice car and would be the ideal starting point for some choice upgrades.

It’s probably had a mileage blocker fitted.

[CanAm]

macperc said:

roadie said:

At 10k miles it's basically new! Nice car and would be the ideal starting point for some choice upgrades.

It’s probably had a mileage blocker fitted.

I think you should have mentioned that 4 years ago.

[MitchT]

Couple of approved used Tanzanite Blue ones currently for sale with 11,000 miles and 12,540 miles. There was a Snapper Rocks Blue one with 8,500 miles for sale in January which I would have bought if it hadn't sold within a week when I was under doctor's orders not to drive for two weeks after an operation. I always wonder how people manage to do so few miles in a car that's so well suited to massive trips.

https://usedcars.bmw.co.uk/vehicle/202404178758488...
https://usedcars.bmw.co.uk/vehicle/202404168707769...