RE: McLaren 620R | PH Review

[stavr0ss]

From the article you’d think that every supecar customer was rocking up to several track days a year and that this is driving the demand for these. I’d love to know the actual numbers but I bet it’s a tiny percentage. I seem to remember a McLaren at the Silverstone Sunday service a while back, he’d booked track time but decided not to use it as it was wet. I could understand that from a Dodge Viper owner or similar but you’re supposedly paying the money for all the tech to make these things quick and forgiving in any conditions and it seems like the only people who benefit are motoring journalists. Lotus may have been serving up more of the same for almost 25 years now but at least they’re doing it a price point where you don’t have to mortgage the farm to pay for track insurance, let alone outright purchase price.

[_Neal_]

SidewaysSi said:

Or even broccoli. But surely that's better than water which is a Lexus...

Water? That can be clean and crisp.

Sprouts boiled until they are beige, more like

[TyrannosauRoss Lex]

SidewaysSi said:

Or even broccoli. But surely that's better than water which is a Lexus...

I wasn't the one calling a mid engined supercharger vanilla

At least my engine is less vanilla than yours

[the_hood]

Chubbyross said:

I give in, I’ll admit it, I’m completely lost by the whole McLaren range. The model numbers, the styling, it completely baffles me.

You're not alone!

[SidewaysSi]

TyrannosauRoss Lex said:

SidewaysSi said:

Or even broccoli. But surely that's better than water which is a Lexus...

I wasn't the one calling a mid engined supercharger vanilla

At least my engine is less vanilla than yours

And my dad's bigger than yours. So na na.

[SidewaysSi]

the_hood said:

Chubbyross said:

I give in, I’ll admit it, I’m completely lost by the whole McLaren range. The model numbers, the styling, it completely baffles me.

You're not alone!

Nah, it's easy. If you want a mid engined supercar, preferably in orange with a little wing, medium wing or even big wing then give them a call.

If you want anything much different then go elsewhere.

[bigmowley]

As a track day enthusiast it looks great to me. Just one question? Do McLaren still insist on a mandatory “inspection” before and after every track day otherwise your warranty is voided? Or is this an internet myth? If so then pointless car.

[Matty3]

What a fantastic track car- looks absolutely brilliant - I bet it's almost as fast around a track as a modded s160 S1 Elise

[ManyMotors]

McLaren's model proliferation has made me weary. And it's done the same to their potential customers. Mike Flewitt has likely failed. Too bad.

[Kent Border Kenny]

justin220 said:

Might be worth a post in the McLaren section, but basically -

Sport Series - 'entry level' which is the 540C, 570S, 600LT. Coupes and Spiders. More basic, but arguably more involving to drive

Super series - 720S coupe and spider, soon to be 765LT. 650s And 675LT pervious model. Trick suspension, air brakes

Ultimate series - Senna/P1

Thanks, but I know which models are which, I just don’t really understand what’s the difference between them, in terms of how they drive, or what niche each is meant to fill.

[Kent Border Kenny]

Bobby Lee said:

Yeah go to Ferrari and ask to “try a few examples for a weekend each”. I’m not sure they’ll be open to that idea either.

The point I was making was that with a Ferrari I’d likely not need that, as the different models are clearly differentiated in terms of function and purpose. I don’t really understand what the difference is between the McLaren models in the same way.

[TyrannosauRoss Lex]

Kent Border Kenny said:

justin220 said:

Might be worth a post in the McLaren section, but basically -

Sport Series - 'entry level' which is the 540C, 570S, 600LT. Coupes and Spiders. More basic, but arguably more involving to drive

Super series - 720S coupe and spider, soon to be 765LT. 650s And 675LT pervious model. Trick suspension, air brakes

Ultimate series - Senna/P1

Thanks, but I know which models are which, I just don’t really understand what’s the difference between them, in terms of how they drive, or what niche each is meant to fill.

OK so sports series (models listed above) are the more "basic" sports cars. These have standard suspension geometry (ie no trick lack of antiroll bars etc). Think of these as more high end 911 rivals. So the 570S would be like a 911 turbo, a 600LT would be like a GT3 and this 620R would be like a GT2 RS.

Super series are more high tech, trick suspension, more power (4 litre not a 3.8) and a few other differences. Think of these as high end Ferrari rivals (eg 488 pista)

Ultimate series.... That should be obvious. Same applies for the McLaren GT.

Hope that helps. I'm not trying to be antagonistic at all, that's how I view the cars and I have never had difficulty understanding what model is what.

I am surprised at the criticism McLaren get on here. People on PH complain cars are too heavy and don't have good steering etc etc, yet McLarens seem to get pretty good reviews across the board for being good to drive, and they people focus on the fact they don't understand the difference between models rather than how they drive. I guess it's the same people who complain that there are too many 911 models.

[ate one too]

Maybe they should be categorised by their depreciation levels rather than their performance etc .....

[Maldini35]

ate one too said:

Maybe they should be categorised by their depreciation levels rather than their performance etc .....

Like most supercars in the current climate.

Only losing £70k on a Superfast vs £100k on a 720s vs is somewhat of a Pyrrhic victory.

If you want to judge cars on depreciation alone then anybody who buys a new supercar is a total idiot.

Edited by Maldini35 on Thursday 20th August 00:31

[ate one too]

So easy to wind up .....

[chelme]

ate one too said:

So easy to wind up .....

Like the tribe that has "Porsche" plastered at the front gates. Chips.... :-)

[Brent 67]

I Currently own a 2020 600 LT spider having owned previously a 570 GT, 600 LT is far more track focused machine than the other sport series models.
Having taken a ride with Robert Mitchell of Apex who gives taxi laps around the Nordschleife, it’s easy to make a definitive decision on what you would chose.
If you are using your car mainly for track driving then the 620R is the one it offers incredible levels of grip and downforce and turns up the level of engagement to epic levels , however if you want a car that can do longer distances and do track days at the same time then the 600 LT is the one.
600LT are trading as low as 140k making it a relative bargain , Spider versions are more pricy and offer coupe and open top driving, 2 cars in one.
The 620R are over a 100k more 😳, the 600LT is the pic if you want the best of both worlds.

[theRossatron]

Camelot1971 said:

It's just a bit of FUN. You know, the thing that is missing from McLaren's and their drivers.....

I've had more fun in my 600LT on the track than any car I've driven or owned, Pista and Speciale included.

I think the frustration comes from people unable to form their own opinions and just peddle the same boring rhetoric "they all look the same" "they make too many models"

There' are 15 distinct 911s on the Porsche configurator just now and we haven't even seen a 992 GT model yet.

[Phil Dicky]

monacochap said:

I love the fact I got a link to this in twitter with details of the new Porsche Targa GTS above it.
The header for the Macca article was 'Another McLaren that thrills on road and excels on track - but do we really need another one? '

Porsche launch a new model just as regularly as McLaren and get no digs?

Never understand this, I mean I love Porsche and McLaren but both do the same with models. Porsche even offer two different forms of convertible !

[Wammer]

Camelot1971 said:

Wammer said:

Camelot1971 said:

justin220 said:

Kent Border Kenny said:

I’m tempted to try a McLaren, but am confused now by which one is going to be the model to go for, in a way that I wouldn’t be by a Ferrari or Lamborghini.

I want it to be a step up from an R8 Plus in terms of involvement, steering feel, and performance, but still something that isn’t going to frustrate me on a long drive, so does this mean sports series, or super series, and then which one?

Despite the purchase cost, McLaren won’t let me try a few examples for a weekend each, so it’s really hard to tell where to start.

Does anyone have any sensible guide to how you go about choosing a model?

Might be worth a post in the McLaren section, but basically -

Sport Series - all the same

Super series - more of the same, just more expensive

Ultimate series - the same, just even more expensive

Fixed that for you

If your that blind and can't see the difference then you should have gone to Specsavers.

Just because Mclaren after 10 years haven't developed another engine then all there cars must have been the same.

I don't read of people complaining when Lamborghini over 40 years used the same engine in the Miura, Countach, Diablo, Murcielago and Reventon.

Ferrari used the same engine in the 328, 348, 355, 360, 430 and then added turbos to it to be used in the 458, 488 and Pista but no one complains.

Don't get me started on Porsche who seem to have used the same design idea since the Beetle to the 911.

Its PATHETIC

It's just a bit of FUN. You know, the thing that is missing from McLaren's and their drivers.....

Hows it fun to slag off a company?

It just shows your complete lack of knowledge.