Why can nobody overtake?
Discussion
Max_Torque said:
The thinig i have noted about SUVs is that they tend to be driven in a very jerky manner, ie not at a constant speed.
I think this is because they all have absolutely zero steering feel, so it's pretty much impossible for the driver to know how much of the turning performance of the vehicle they are using. My commute is 18 miles of fast B road (no corner cannot be taken at above 80) and yet i regularly follow SUVs who manage a respectible 55 along the straights, but slam on the brakes for the slightest turn (generally at the last minute complete with a massive heave on the steering wheel, and often then going over the white line on the way out because they have turned in far far too early for the corner
I had a Ranault Captur hire car last year when my Astra was recalled. I’ve never driven a car with such bad steering feel, you had to guess how much steering input when cornering, I’ve never driven a car like it. It was the only time I’ve asked for a different hire car, that was more because it was so uncomfortable, gave me a bad back after 2 days. I think this is because they all have absolutely zero steering feel, so it's pretty much impossible for the driver to know how much of the turning performance of the vehicle they are using. My commute is 18 miles of fast B road (no corner cannot be taken at above 80) and yet i regularly follow SUVs who manage a respectible 55 along the straights, but slam on the brakes for the slightest turn (generally at the last minute complete with a massive heave on the steering wheel, and often then going over the white line on the way out because they have turned in far far too early for the corner
I also had a Hyundai Tucson hire car earlier this year, it was nowhere near as bad as the Renault, it was actually pretty comfortable for one thing, but that also had very poor steering feel.
I don’t understand the love for these crossover/SUV things, they’re never as good as the normal hatchback equivalents.
I do a bit of cycling and try to avoid main roads at all times, but when I have to go on them, it astounds me how slowly cars overtake you. The drivers seem to have no idea of how to change down and push the right pedal.
A proper overtake involves you winding up the speed, and timing it just right to move out at the right point to get past quickly and safely. At least it was when I drove a van for a living.
A proper overtake involves you winding up the speed, and timing it just right to move out at the right point to get past quickly and safely. At least it was when I drove a van for a living.
Tyre Tread said:
A big aspect for me is not having to follow another vehicle that I can't see past.
The large volume of SUVs and other large vehicles mean you can't see over, through or round them so its more difficult to anticipate the road conditions and traffic ahead which means more braking (as inevitably you're stuck behind "binary drivers" who are either on the throttle or the brakes) so I can't drive in a relaxed and flowing manner.
this for me tooThe large volume of SUVs and other large vehicles mean you can't see over, through or round them so its more difficult to anticipate the road conditions and traffic ahead which means more braking (as inevitably you're stuck behind "binary drivers" who are either on the throttle or the brakes) so I can't drive in a relaxed and flowing manner.
Tyre Tread said:
A big aspect for me is not having to follow another vehicle that I can't see past.
The large volume of SUVs and other large vehicles mean you can't see over, through or round them so its more difficult to anticipate the road conditions and traffic ahead which means more braking (as inevitably you're stuck behind "binary drivers" who are either on the throttle or the brakes) so I can't drive in a relaxed and flowing manner.
Very true, and yet another situation where those stupid tinted windows make the situation worse.The large volume of SUVs and other large vehicles mean you can't see over, through or round them so its more difficult to anticipate the road conditions and traffic ahead which means more braking (as inevitably you're stuck behind "binary drivers" who are either on the throttle or the brakes) so I can't drive in a relaxed and flowing manner.
The trap I have been caught in many times (yes I should learn):
You are not in a hurry and driving about 60mph. You catch up with someone doing 50-55mph and think 'that 's OK, I won't bother overtaking'; they then catch up with a really inconsiderate dawdler doing 40mph, and shortly afterwards dawdler who hasn't noticed anything other than things 10 feet in front catches a tractor at 20mph. which they then follow a few feet behind.
Now you are doing 20mph, not 60mph, wondering whether to overtake all three in one go.And bearing in mind that tractors suddenly turn off with no or invisible indication plus the 50mph guy wants to overtake, and the 40mph guy is totally unpredictable, the three in one is a bit risky.
That's why you should have overtaken the first one when you originally caught them!
You are not in a hurry and driving about 60mph. You catch up with someone doing 50-55mph and think 'that 's OK, I won't bother overtaking'; they then catch up with a really inconsiderate dawdler doing 40mph, and shortly afterwards dawdler who hasn't noticed anything other than things 10 feet in front catches a tractor at 20mph. which they then follow a few feet behind.
Now you are doing 20mph, not 60mph, wondering whether to overtake all three in one go.And bearing in mind that tractors suddenly turn off with no or invisible indication plus the 50mph guy wants to overtake, and the 40mph guy is totally unpredictable, the three in one is a bit risky.
That's why you should have overtaken the first one when you originally caught them!
Sensibleboy said:
Never been annoyed by somebody overtaking in an appropriate place but so many seem to return to the left even before they have passed!
I think a lot of people do deliberately close overtaking to show off how much faster they are going and how much more Powerfully Built they are. It seems to happen even more regularly in rain or on soaking wet roads because there's also a tragically childish element in many that relishes completely blinding the vehicle they've just overtaken with their spray by pulling in sharply just millimeteres after they've passed.
RichB said:
In 1973 when I learnt to drive, my instructor spent time teaching me how to overtake. I doubt they do that these days. Back then if you drove long distances, pre-motorways (mostly) you'd be stuck behind older cars, on A roads, doing 40-50 mph.
Not much different to now then, except the cars are newer.mac96 said:
The trap I have been caught in many times (yes I should learn):
You are not in a hurry and driving about 60mph. You catch up with someone doing 50-55mph and think 'that 's OK, I won't bother overtaking'; they then catch up with a really inconsiderate dawdler doing 40mph, and shortly afterwards dawdler who hasn't noticed anything other than things 10 feet in front catches a tractor at 20mph. which they then follow a few feet behind.
Now you are doing 20mph, not 60mph, wondering whether to overtake all three in one go.And bearing in mind that tractors suddenly turn off with no or invisible indication plus the 50mph guy wants to overtake, and the 40mph guy is totally unpredictable, the three in one is a bit risky.
That's why you should have overtaken the first one when you originally caught them!
It's amazing how you can accumulate these people in front of you, even without industrial vehicles. You always see the one dawdler ahead who then the manages to catch up with someone even slower.You are not in a hurry and driving about 60mph. You catch up with someone doing 50-55mph and think 'that 's OK, I won't bother overtaking'; they then catch up with a really inconsiderate dawdler doing 40mph, and shortly afterwards dawdler who hasn't noticed anything other than things 10 feet in front catches a tractor at 20mph. which they then follow a few feet behind.
Now you are doing 20mph, not 60mph, wondering whether to overtake all three in one go.And bearing in mind that tractors suddenly turn off with no or invisible indication plus the 50mph guy wants to overtake, and the 40mph guy is totally unpredictable, the three in one is a bit risky.
That's why you should have overtaken the first one when you originally caught them!
Ninja59 said:
Done it loads of times on the local A road round here. Usually just gets lots of people doing 40. There is a large hill on the NSL section that is twisty so worth getting your speed up.
Varying reactions from the light flasher to the one that got angry and suddenly did about 80 plus.
Really don't get it...
whats the story with fools who at one stage were plodding along doing 30mph and then once overtaken suddenly wake up into a frenzy and drive at 80mph... Varying reactions from the light flasher to the one that got angry and suddenly did about 80 plus.
Really don't get it...
g3org3y said:
ninepoint2 said:
g3org3y said:
You lot are maniacs. Listen to Brake FFS.
Is that real FFS?Brake said:
Don’t overtake
Overtaking on single carriageways is incredibly risky and should be avoided. It is impossible to accurately judge the speed of approaching traffic, or the length of empty road in front of you, and when overtaking this can be fatal. The gap between you and oncoming traffic disappears surprisingly fast. If you and an oncoming vehicle are both driving at 60mph, the gap between you is closing at 120mph, or 60 metres a second. So a small error of judgement can easily result in multiple deaths.
That’s why it isn’t worth the risk. Often overtaking makes little difference to your arrival time, but could mean you and someone else never arriving at all. So never overtake on single carriageways unless absolutely essential, such as because you need to pass a stationary or extremely slow moving vehicle. Only then do so if certain there’s enough space to get past without speeding and with no risk of someone coming the other way. Otherwise just hang back and relax.
Overtaking on single carriageways is incredibly risky and should be avoided. It is impossible to accurately judge the speed of approaching traffic, or the length of empty road in front of you, and when overtaking this can be fatal. The gap between you and oncoming traffic disappears surprisingly fast. If you and an oncoming vehicle are both driving at 60mph, the gap between you is closing at 120mph, or 60 metres a second. So a small error of judgement can easily result in multiple deaths.
That’s why it isn’t worth the risk. Often overtaking makes little difference to your arrival time, but could mean you and someone else never arriving at all. So never overtake on single carriageways unless absolutely essential, such as because you need to pass a stationary or extremely slow moving vehicle. Only then do so if certain there’s enough space to get past without speeding and with no risk of someone coming the other way. Otherwise just hang back and relax.
R Mutt said:
mac96 said:
The trap I have been caught in many times (yes I should learn):
You are not in a hurry and driving about 60mph. You catch up with someone doing 50-55mph and think 'that 's OK, I won't bother overtaking'; they then catch up with a really inconsiderate dawdler doing 40mph, and shortly afterwards dawdler who hasn't noticed anything other than things 10 feet in front catches a tractor at 20mph. which they then follow a few feet behind.
Now you are doing 20mph, not 60mph, wondering whether to overtake all three in one go.And bearing in mind that tractors suddenly turn off with no or invisible indication plus the 50mph guy wants to overtake, and the 40mph guy is totally unpredictable, the three in one is a bit risky.
That's why you should have overtaken the first one when you originally caught them!
It's amazing how you can accumulate these people in front of you, even without industrial vehicles. You always see the one dawdler ahead who then the manages to catch up with someone even slower.You are not in a hurry and driving about 60mph. You catch up with someone doing 50-55mph and think 'that 's OK, I won't bother overtaking'; they then catch up with a really inconsiderate dawdler doing 40mph, and shortly afterwards dawdler who hasn't noticed anything other than things 10 feet in front catches a tractor at 20mph. which they then follow a few feet behind.
Now you are doing 20mph, not 60mph, wondering whether to overtake all three in one go.And bearing in mind that tractors suddenly turn off with no or invisible indication plus the 50mph guy wants to overtake, and the 40mph guy is totally unpredictable, the three in one is a bit risky.
That's why you should have overtaken the first one when you originally caught them!
No doubt they'll be moaning like hell about the one car in front of them when they do eventually catch up with it, whilst remaining completely oblivious to the couple of dozen queue they've built up behind themselves over the last few miles.
Drive Blind said:
Tyre Tread said:
A big aspect for me is not having to follow another vehicle that I can't see past.
The large volume of SUVs and other large vehicles mean you can't see over, through or round them so its more difficult to anticipate the road conditions and traffic ahead which means more braking (as inevitably you're stuck behind "binary drivers" who are either on the throttle or the brakes) so I can't drive in a relaxed and flowing manner.
this for me tooThe large volume of SUVs and other large vehicles mean you can't see over, through or round them so its more difficult to anticipate the road conditions and traffic ahead which means more braking (as inevitably you're stuck behind "binary drivers" who are either on the throttle or the brakes) so I can't drive in a relaxed and flowing manner.
Tripel Karmeliet said:
g3org3y said:
ninepoint2 said:
g3org3y said:
You lot are maniacs. Listen to Brake FFS.
Is that real FFS?Brake said:
Don’t overtake
Overtaking on single carriageways is incredibly risky and should be avoided. It is impossible to accurately judge the speed of approaching traffic, or the length of empty road in front of you, and when overtaking this can be fatal. The gap between you and oncoming traffic disappears surprisingly fast. If you and an oncoming vehicle are both driving at 60mph, the gap between you is closing at 120mph, or 60 metres a second. So a small error of judgement can easily result in multiple deaths.
That’s why it isn’t worth the risk. Often overtaking makes little difference to your arrival time, but could mean you and someone else never arriving at all. So never overtake on single carriageways unless absolutely essential, such as because you need to pass a stationary or extremely slow moving vehicle. Only then do so if certain there’s enough space to get past without speeding and with no risk of someone coming the other way. Otherwise just hang back and relax.
Overtaking on single carriageways is incredibly risky and should be avoided. It is impossible to accurately judge the speed of approaching traffic, or the length of empty road in front of you, and when overtaking this can be fatal. The gap between you and oncoming traffic disappears surprisingly fast. If you and an oncoming vehicle are both driving at 60mph, the gap between you is closing at 120mph, or 60 metres a second. So a small error of judgement can easily result in multiple deaths.
That’s why it isn’t worth the risk. Often overtaking makes little difference to your arrival time, but could mean you and someone else never arriving at all. So never overtake on single carriageways unless absolutely essential, such as because you need to pass a stationary or extremely slow moving vehicle. Only then do so if certain there’s enough space to get past without speeding and with no risk of someone coming the other way. Otherwise just hang back and relax.
JimSuperSix said:
Drive Blind said:
Tyre Tread said:
A big aspect for me is not having to follow another vehicle that I can't see past.
The large volume of SUVs and other large vehicles mean you can't see over, through or round them so its more difficult to anticipate the road conditions and traffic ahead which means more braking (as inevitably you're stuck behind "binary drivers" who are either on the throttle or the brakes) so I can't drive in a relaxed and flowing manner.
this for me tooThe large volume of SUVs and other large vehicles mean you can't see over, through or round them so its more difficult to anticipate the road conditions and traffic ahead which means more braking (as inevitably you're stuck behind "binary drivers" who are either on the throttle or the brakes) so I can't drive in a relaxed and flowing manner.
Deranged Rover said:
I think it's a general combination of moronic drivers and modern cars with weedy and/or turbocharged engines.
Even I'll think twice about some overtaking manoeuvres in my wife's 2.0 TD that I wouldn't even hesitate on in my own car, purely because I'm never 100% sure if the turbo's going to be on my side or not. Even dropping down a gear or two to get it revving isn't an option as by the time I've floored it and moved out, a gearchange is required.
This also, the glut of dervs on the road with no overtaking ability is a factor also - any diesel i drove (2.0 TDI's and the such) was fine once 'pressing on' say at 70 or 80mph but between gear changes and say from 30-70 they are horrendous and i would not be comfortable to overtake some idiots in one.Even I'll think twice about some overtaking manoeuvres in my wife's 2.0 TD that I wouldn't even hesitate on in my own car, purely because I'm never 100% sure if the turbo's going to be on my side or not. Even dropping down a gear or two to get it revving isn't an option as by the time I've floored it and moved out, a gearchange is required.
With a decent petrol car its easy to dispatch the dawdlers as 30-70 moves are easy to execute
JimSuperSix said:
Drive Blind said:
Tyre Tread said:
A big aspect for me is not having to follow another vehicle that I can't see past.
The large volume of SUVs and other large vehicles mean you can't see over, through or round them so its more difficult to anticipate the road conditions and traffic ahead which means more braking (as inevitably you're stuck behind "binary drivers" who are either on the throttle or the brakes) so I can't drive in a relaxed and flowing manner.
this for me tooThe large volume of SUVs and other large vehicles mean you can't see over, through or round them so its more difficult to anticipate the road conditions and traffic ahead which means more braking (as inevitably you're stuck behind "binary drivers" who are either on the throttle or the brakes) so I can't drive in a relaxed and flowing manner.
Tripel Karmeliet said:
This also, the glut of dervs on the road with no overtaking ability is a factor also - any diesel i drove (2.0 TDI's and the such) was fine once 'pressing on' say at 70 or 80mph but between gear changes and say from 30-70 they are horrendous and i would not be comfortable to overtake some idiots in one.
With a decent petrol car its easy to dispatch the dawdlers as 30-70 moves are easy to execute
You were driving them wrongWith a decent petrol car its easy to dispatch the dawdlers as 30-70 moves are easy to execute
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