Why can nobody overtake?

Why can nobody overtake?

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Xenoous

1,043 posts

59 months

Wednesday 8th March 2023
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bigothunter said:
There are clues in previous posts of this thread...
Outside of so many people on the roads being plain jumped up a-holes, I don't follow. It's probably that, isn't it?

Nomme de Plum

4,684 posts

17 months

Wednesday 8th March 2023
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KTMsm said:
911hope said:
Does that mean no responsibility lies with the over-taker, to make sure he has a safe space to pull back into?
Would a person who doesn't also be described as a to$$er?
If the sheep are too stupid to leave a space whilst they're all following the leader

Who cares what they think ?

If they did think, the situation wouldn't occur
I've always found it quite useful to watch what the car/driver in front is doing and try and understand their mindset, ditto the one following. Our responsibility is not only to ourselves but other road users as well. This does not preclude overtaking but one should realise that unfortunately many motorist will not even know you are behind them and there is no point in saying they should.

swisstoni

17,091 posts

280 months

Wednesday 8th March 2023
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Yes. Ultimately, to invoke the old cliche, you have to assume that everyone in the queue is a dhead.

What could they possibly do? Because the chances are, one of them will do it. The longer the queue, the greater the possibility.

As the agent provocateur you have the responsibility. I reject a high percentage of overtakes because I don’t like the odds.

911hope

2,719 posts

27 months

Wednesday 8th March 2023
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KTMsm said:
911hope said:
Does that mean no responsibility lies with the over-taker, to make sure he has a safe space to pull back into?
Would a person who doesn't also be described as a to$$er?
If the sheep are too stupid to leave a space whilst they're all following the leader

Who cares what they think ?

If they did think, the situation wouldn't occur
So... in a situation where you are following someone who hasn't left a big gap in front, would you : ( nice a or b answer for simplicity.

a. Overtake anyway and accept the risk (for yourself and inflict it on the person in front)
b. Decide not to overtake.

Nomme de Plum

4,684 posts

17 months

Wednesday 8th March 2023
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swisstoni said:
Yes. Ultimately, to invoke the old cliche, you have to assume that everyone in the queue is a dhead.

What could they possibly do? Because the chances are, one of them will do it. The longer the queue, the greater the possibility.

As the agent provocateur you have the responsibility. I reject a high percentage of overtakes because I don’t like the odds.
Hands free phone usage is legal but i don't advocate conversations when driving. Too many people assume they can do both. Many times they really cannot.


Back in the 90s I had a Cerebra 4.5 and the overtaking potential was pretty spectacular but people do not read speed differentials. It was rather a fast car but rather pointless on the road. The 400SE I had before was massively slower but somehow more pleasant to drive and strangely more accepted when overtaking.

Gary C

12,534 posts

180 months

Wednesday 8th March 2023
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911hope said:
Gary C said:
People just drive too close. Any time your in a train of cars and not prepared to overtake, you should always leave a gap big enough for someone to put into EVERY TIME.

Anyone who doesn't and then get annoyed when someone pulls in is a tosser. Anyone who tries to reduce the gap and force an overtaking car to drop back should be strung up and beaten and banned from ever driving again.
Does that mean no responsibility lies with the over-taker, to make sure he has a safe space to pull back into?
Would a person who doesn't also be described as a to$$er?
I see your issue with the statement. If someone doesn't leave a gap then in theory no one should pull into it because they should have seen there wasn't a gap before starting the manoeuvre.

Of course, those that close up a gap are a different matter.

LunarOne

5,305 posts

138 months

Wednesday 8th March 2023
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5s Alive said:
LunarOne said:
5s Alive said:
Viofo A119 V3?

Lunar One's post! smile
Que?!
Your buzzing dashcam audio. I have the A119 V3 and Viofo sell a foam spacer that prevents this. Could be a different camera with the same issue though. smile


https://viofo.com/accessories/59-a119-eva-eva-foam...
Ah I see. No, it's one of those dashcams that hang down from a mount which is stuck to the windscreen. It's always suffered from noise from the buttons which rattle loose in the casing of the camera itself (you can hear those rattling away) but the most offensive noise is new. Perhaps it was touching the car's rear-view mirror, as I've partially hidden the camera behind it so it doesn't eat up much of my field of view. I have a much newer then top of the range Nextbase dashcam, but that thing is total junk in that it's constantly corrupting microSD cards no matter which card I try. Anyway I'm not a Dashcam Wa (rrior/nker) and don't much care if it rattles on video. I really only have it there in case of accidents, since I was in a near fatal one in 2018 that the culprit tried to pin on me. Thankfully the police did their thing, measured skidmarks, interviewed witnesses and determined correctly who was to blame. But had there not been witnesses or enough other evidence, who knows what might have happened! But I learned my lesson about not having a dashcam.

5s Alive

1,859 posts

35 months

Wednesday 8th March 2023
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LunarOne said:
Ah I see. No, it's one of those dashcams that hang down from a mount which is stuck to the windscreen. It's always suffered from noise from the buttons which rattle loose in the casing of the camera itself (you can hear those rattling away) but the most offensive noise is new. Perhaps it was touching the car's rear-view mirror, as I've partially hidden the camera behind it so it doesn't eat up much of my field of view. I have a much newer then top of the range Nextbase dashcam, but that thing is total junk in that it's constantly corrupting microSD cards no matter which card I try. Anyway I'm not a Dashcam Wa (rrior/nker) and don't much care if it rattles on video. I really only have it there in case of accidents, since I was in a near fatal one in 2018 that the culprit tried to pin on me. Thankfully the police did their thing, measured skidmarks, interviewed witnesses and determined correctly who was to blame. But had there not been witnesses or enough other evidence, who knows what might have happened! But I learned my lesson about not having a dashcam.
I have one for a similar reason, a very near miss with a nearly airborne flatbed on a remote Highland road, a few seconds earlier and I probably wouldn't be here to write this. A friend is currently taking the mobile phone idiot who punted him into a tree through the courts. She provided a completely contradictory account of what happened until confronted with the footage.

The buzzing in mine could be heard in the car, extremely annoying and I think I prefer it with the sound muted in any case, it avoids listening to our inane conversation or questionable taste in music.

M4cruiser

3,695 posts

151 months

Wednesday 8th March 2023
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LunarOne said:
I have a much newer then top of the range Nextbase dashcam, but that thing is total junk in that it's constantly corrupting microSD cards no matter which card I try.
Slightly off topic, but my Nexbases are filling the card with useless "parking mode" write-protected snippets that are triggered by nothing more than opening the door, and thus putting the SD card under strain, and also leaving less than half the card for proper films.
I found if you use a Nextbase branded card, and don't have parking mode on, then format the card, it works much better.

LunarOne

5,305 posts

138 months

Wednesday 8th March 2023
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M4cruiser said:
LunarOne said:
I have a much newer then top of the range Nextbase dashcam, but that thing is total junk in that it's constantly corrupting microSD cards no matter which card I try.
Slightly off topic, but my Nexbases are filling the card with useless "parking mode" write-protected snippets that are triggered by nothing more than opening the door, and thus putting the SD card under strain, and also leaving less than half the card for proper films.
I found if you use a Nextbase branded card, and don't have parking mode on, then format the card, it works much better.
Thanks for this. I actually spoke to Nextbase support, and the guy told me I needed a specific SD card. I went and bought that card, and the problem improved but was not resolved totally. Even with the recommended card, it needed formatting once a week to ensure that videos would actually be written. Which is too much of a faff for me. The old DOD LS460W is set and forget and just works, even though the buttons rattle. I was under the impression that the corruption was due to the data rate from trying to record in 2160p or whatever the highest resolution was, so I tried regular HD and it was no better. I don't remember whether parking mode was enabled or not. I might give it another go as I recently found it sliding around under the seat in one of my cars...

Anyway, back to overtaking woes!

RVB

1,985 posts

82 months

Wednesday 8th March 2023
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I used to be involved with dashcam development and testing and I still occasionally get asked to test and report back on a new dashcam, but I wouldn't fit a Nextbase cam in my car.

Nextbase don't put enough emphasis on durability and reliability, but I suppose they want people to keep coming back every 12-18 months for a new dashcam, or charging ££ for repairs to an existing one, because it keeps them in business.





James6112

4,464 posts

29 months

Wednesday 8th March 2023
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RVB said:
I used to be involved with dashcam development and testing and I still occasionally get asked to test and report back on a new dashcam, but I wouldn't fit a Nextbase cam in my car.

Nextbase don't put enough emphasis on durability and reliability, but I suppose they want people to keep coming back every 12-18 months for a new dashcam, or charging ££ for repairs to an existing one, because it keeps them in business.
That’s odd
Mine is 4 years old
Worked flawlessly


RVB

1,985 posts

82 months

Wednesday 8th March 2023
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James6112 said:
That’s odd
Mine is 4 years old
Worked flawlessly

Are you sure?
Does it always save the last few seconds of your journey? Have you checked? Those last few seconds are what matter most if there is an incident, and Nextbase cams have a horrible tendency to not save those last few seconds.

LunarOne

5,305 posts

138 months

Wednesday 8th March 2023
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RVB said:
I used to be involved with dashcam development and testing and I still occasionally get asked to test and report back on a new dashcam, but I wouldn't fit a Nextbase cam in my car.

Nextbase don't put enough emphasis on durability and reliability, but I suppose they want people to keep coming back every 12-18 months for a new dashcam, or charging ££ for repairs to an existing one, because it keeps them in business.
I was under the impression that Nextbase was just a badge engineered version of the DOD I had been using, with a bit of polish added for UK audiences, and that's why I bought it. But not impressed with what I got (612GW). Anyway, since you know your stuff, what would you get? I don't mind paying more for quality, but I don't want anything that looks valuable to break a car window to get. That's the problem with dashcams. You want them to look cheap and nasty, while being the complete opposite! I'm surprised car makers don't fit a camera and recorder as standard in the car, and you just have to add the SD card if you want recording functions. That way you can comply with countries where dashcam use is illegal. It would add pennies to the build cost of a car.

RVB

1,985 posts

82 months

Thursday 9th March 2023
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LunarOne said:
I was under the impression that Nextbase was just a badge engineered version of the DOD I had been using, with a bit of polish added for UK audiences, and that's why I bought it. But not impressed with what I got (612GW). Anyway, since you know your stuff, what would you get? I don't mind paying more for quality, but I don't want anything that looks valuable to break a car window to get. That's the problem with dashcams. You want them to look cheap and nasty, while being the complete opposite! I'm surprised car makers don't fit a camera and recorder as standard in the car, and you just have to add the SD card if you want recording functions. That way you can comply with countries where dashcam use is illegal. It would add pennies to the build cost of a car.
Yes, Nextbase have frequently sold rebadged DOD products.

Dashcams are a bit of a minefield and an ideal cam for one car might not be reliable in another due to quirks in the car's electrical system and depending on whether it's plugged into the 12v socket or wired into the fuse box. It can also depend on how quickly the cam is set to shut down when it loses the 12v supply.

Car stop-start systems can confuse dashcams, since dashcams are designed to save the file in a hurry and power off when the 12v supply is lost for whatever reason. Certain other quirks of some car electrical systems can cause problems, such as 12v sockets which go live briefly as the key is turned in the ignition, but then suffer a brief power cut while the starter motor cranks the engine.

Sometimes it can require tweaking various dashcam settings (if the dashcam has them) to get a good result. Settings such as boot delay (camera won't power on until it receives power constantly for at least 5s) or how long the camera waits before shutting down after 12v supply is lost (e.g. it continues recording for 5s after power is lost and if power returns it stays on).

And on occasion, some dashcams or their mounts simply won't fit in the space around the rear view mirror of certain cars.

Due to all the above, I am hesitant to suggest specific dashcams, but some of the first brands I would consider would be Viofo, Street Guardian (expensive) or even Mobius action cameras on aftermarket mounts if you can find Mobius at sensible prices (<£100).

I might soon be in the market for another dashcam and top of my list is the Viofo A119 V3 from Amazon, based on a combination of design, performance, reliability, reputation and cost.
I don't have any current nor past connections with Viofo, and no financial incentive, but I know people who are closely associated with them.






911hope

2,719 posts

27 months

Thursday 9th March 2023
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8 posts in a row on dashcams!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

LunarOne

5,305 posts

138 months

Thursday 9th March 2023
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911hope said:
8 posts in a row on dashcams!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Apologies - that's kind of the nature of conversation, which is the purpose of forums after all! You don't have to read every post - you do have the ability (I hope) of skim reading to find out it's a dashcam post and then skip over it.

To save another post - many thanks to RVB!

swisstoni

17,091 posts

280 months

Thursday 9th March 2023
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911hope said:
8 posts in a row on dashcams!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
So what? I’ve found it quite informative.

jimbo761

376 posts

83 months

Thursday 9th March 2023
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swisstoni said:
911hope said:
8 posts in a row on dashcams!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
So what? I’ve found it quite informative.
https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...

5s Alive

1,859 posts

35 months

Thursday 9th March 2023
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Warning contains dashcam snapshot smile

Some people are quite happy to overtake even on blind bends. Met this walloper some time ago exiting a blind bend, even with me and the car he's passing hard on the brakes there was only just over one second to this point of near impact. As it was I was on the verge and the ABS let go momentarily as I ran over a damp metal drain cover - sharp intake of breath! Had the walloper also braked then impact (or offroading) was inevitable. Realised later that he was chasing the red Golf GTI a few cars ahead.