RE: 2021 Honda Civic Type R | UK Review

RE: 2021 Honda Civic Type R | UK Review

Sunday 27th September 2020

2021 Honda Civic Type R | UK Review

On the face of it the Civic Type R hasn't changed much - but then again it didn't really need to...



In such a competitive car marketplace, it's rare to find a car so dominant in its sector as the outgoing FK8 generation of Honda Civic Type R. Since its launch in 2017, the Civic has taken on all comers - ST and RS Focuses, Renault Sport Meganes, Golf GTIs and the rest - and emerged victorious every single time. That's not to say problems didn't exist - the infotainment was below par, and the looks an insurmountable hurdle for some - but as a driving device the Civic knew no equal.

So now we have the MMC Civic Type R, or Minor Model Change in Honda speak. Given that name and the car's formidable reputation, you'd be forgiven for thinking that little had changed beyond the addition of Racing Blue paint. But this is Honda, don't forget, the company always tinkering with this and perfecting that; the second NSX-R had thinner gear gaiter mesh than standard (!) to save weight, the MB6 Civic VTI had a limited-slip diff for just 122lb ft and the Accord Type R has a reinforced rear bulkhead to make it 40 per cent stiffer than a standard saloon. They aren't sexy engineering solutions, but they are effective ones. Apart from the mesh, perhaps.

A similar type of alteration can be found on the new Type R. That front end probably looks about the same, right? Wrong. A redesign of the grille means a coolant temperature typically 10 degrees lower than before on track, which is useful. However, Honda found that this change spoilt the aero balance, so the front air dam was reworked to compensate, increasing negative pressure ahead of the front axle. But of course. The sampling frequency of the adaptive dampers has been increased by a factor of 10, there are stiffer bushes, "reduced friction on the front lower ball joint" and, as with the Limited, there are new two-piece discs for reduced brake pedal travel, which is said to be extremely helpful for the big stops at Suzuka. And, presumably, elsewhere as well. The wonderful new counterweighted gearknob, says the presentation, now weighs 230g; in an NSX-R of 1992 it was 255g and an original Integra 245g, just so you know. Not sure a minor model change, after all. Oh yes, and a volume knob has been instated on the infotainment screen - praise be.


All of which, on some of the Cotswolds' best B-roads, adds up to... a Civic Type R that feels a lot like the old one. Sorry to spoil any surprise. Actually, that's a slight fib, because the brake pedal is certainly firmer - initially a little too firm on the road - and the gearshift really is even better than before. For a car that looks like it's doing 200mph stood still and is infamous for its circuit antics, the Civic is actually a really lovely car to drive slowly. The weighting, accuracy and just general satisfaction of the manual makes a genuine pleasure to use at any speed, beautifully in sync with pedal weights, steering response and so on. When so often quite vital parts like gearshift, brake feel and driving position almost feel like afterthoughts, it's a joy to drive something when they've so clearly been prioritised.

Moreover, the Civic never needed much improvement as a hot hatch. Whatever's been done to the damping, the Comfort setting still delivers an uncanny blend of support and precision, and is probably all that's required for a British B-road; Sport and +R naturally ramp up the intensity, though never to a disagreeable level.

The key to the Type R's appeal is the way its prodigious limits have been spliced with a level of engagement seldom found in rivals. There's clearly no breaching its enormous limits on the road, and it won't bristle with feedback like something from the 20th century, but it remains remarkably good for something built to contemporary standards. Things like Alcantara on the steering wheel (a small but welcome addition), sensible ratios so that all the shift lights in third are illuminated at 80mph (giving more opportunity to use that gearbox) and just enough coming back through the rack to feel that tightly wound diff doing its thing on a bumpy B-road do make a difference. If 'appropriately intense' doesn't sound like an awful dating strategy, that's the Civic Type R; it's very discernibly a performance car in the way it behaves - and a pretty focused, discernibly Japanese one at that - while never sacrificing basic driveabilty. It's a neat trick.


By subtly improving upon what was already very good (primarily through those brake and gearbox changes), any criticisms of the Civic are, in the grand scheme of things, pretty inconsequential. The Active Sound Control is, like so many of these augmented systems, a bit crap, the noise in +R like Ridge Racer through a megaphone and thus one to avoid. Problem being that, without an individual mode, it's impossible to tailor the more aggressive suspension and increased steering weight that might be desirable without the arcade game soundtrack. This was an issue back in 2017, and really should have been resolved by now. Especially as +R is the only way to slacken the traction and stability control before going all the way off.

If we're being especially picky - and with a car this good it's the only way to be - there remains an initial softness to throttle response and a bit more flywheel effect than is ideal. Honestly, that's about as severe as the shortcomings get. Having a volume dial for the infotainment certainly helps, too, even if the system itself lags behind the best for both clarity and ease of use. Shame some of the Honda e's screens couldn't have migrated across, really

So, despite being a more minor Minor Model Change in certain areas than perhaps its should have been, it's hard to imagine the Civic losing its place at the head of the hot hatch herd. With such a broad scope of ability alongside tangible driver reward, the Civic's skillset remains unrivalled. Or rather, it does for now; there are a host of new rivals on the way, from Golf GTI to i30 N and Renault Sport Megane to Cupra Leon. With such a slight update, the prospect of it retaining its class-leasing status looks harder than ever. Good job then that it feels a better car than it ever has, even if by little more than a 90g counterweight...


SPECIFICATION | 2021 HONDA CIVIC TYPE R GT (FK8)

Engine: 1,996cc, 4-cyl turbocharged
Transmission: 6-speed manual, front-wheel drive
Power (hp): 320@6,500rpm
Torque (lb ft): 295@2,500-4,500rpm
0-62mph: 5.8sec
Top speed: 169mph
Weight: 1,405kg (kerbweight)
MPG: 33.2 (WLTP)
CO2: 193g/km
Price: £34,820









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sidesauce

Original Poster:

2,476 posts

218 months

Sunday 27th September 2020
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A lot of cars are accused by the many disgruntled old farts on here as looking like they've been driven through Halfords.

This car, in my opinion, genuinely looks like it has.

Another_James

104 posts

152 months

Sunday 27th September 2020
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Anyone with the pre facelift looking to upgrade to the two piece discs, they are only £282 from Honda for a pair.

Edited by Another_James on Sunday 27th September 08:18

Sion111R

313 posts

92 months

Sunday 27th September 2020
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As an old fart i think its fantastic that such choice still exists in the hot hatch sector. With mainstream cars seemingly converging on a single design style its a good thing (IMO) that Honda have retained their bonkers styling.

Deathmole

959 posts

45 months

Sunday 27th September 2020
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One of the best cars on sale today IMO.

I know that this thread will get bogged down on the appearance of the thing and that's a shame because they really are a mighty thing to drive quickly.

Awesome car, looks great in blue, too.

sidesauce

Original Poster:

2,476 posts

218 months

Sunday 27th September 2020
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Deathmole said:
One of the best cars on sale today IMO.

I know that this thread will get bogged down on the appearance of the thing and that's a shame because they really are a mighty thing to drive quickly.

Awesome car, looks great in blue, too.
Just like the new BMW M3/M4 thread. Which is funny, seeing as no-one has even driven it yet!

Cary Hunt

50 posts

49 months

Sunday 27th September 2020
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Looks ridiculous in my opinion. Would be embarrassed to be seen in one.

Mysstree

451 posts

46 months

Sunday 27th September 2020
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Surely there is a market for a model with less of the exterior Lardner, not everyone wants to be loud and shouty.
Also why not develop a new S2000 based around this to rival Boxster and A110 market.

mhurley

823 posts

133 months

Sunday 27th September 2020
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I wouldn't be seen dead in one

Jonstar

868 posts

191 months

Sunday 27th September 2020
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Brilliant car, odd obsession with gearknob weight aside (heavier almost always feels better).

Still gets its arse handed to it by the old Renault sport Mégane though, new one dropped the ball.

Nik Gnashers

769 posts

156 months

Sunday 27th September 2020
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If handling means everything, over & above any other consideration for a single, do-it-all, reasonably practical family car ... then yes, I can see the argument.
It's a no from me, as I actually care what my car looks like.

One previous comment, was that this thread will be like the new M3/M4 one, criticising them yet nobody has actually driven one yet.
The criticism is aimed at the appearance of the cars, which bit of that are you having difficulty understanding ?

sidesauce

Original Poster:

2,476 posts

218 months

Sunday 27th September 2020
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Nik Gnashers said:
If handling means everything, over & above any other consideration for a single, do-it-all, reasonably practical family car ... then yes, I can see the argument.
It's a no from me, as I actually care what my car looks like.

One previous comment, was that this thread will be like the new M3/M4 one, criticising them yet nobody has actually driven one yet.
The criticism is aimed at the appearance of the cars, which bit of that are you having difficulty understanding ?
Please show me where I criticised anyone - in fact, if you read my first comment you'll see I myself spoke on this cars aesthetics.

What part of that do YOU have difficulty understanding???

And

191 posts

257 months

Sunday 27th September 2020
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For gods sake add a third seat and belt in the back

macky17

2,212 posts

189 months

Sunday 27th September 2020
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Jonstar said:
Brilliant car, odd obsession with gearknob weight aside (heavier almost always feels better).

Still gets its arse handed to it by the old Renault sport Mégane though, new one dropped the ball.
Having owned a 275 Cup S and now an fk8 I can categorically assure you you're wrong. Honda faster, steers even better, handles better, rides better and puts its power down massively more cleanly. Much better gear change, better driving position - I could go on. Megane a great car but thr Honda is a generational car. Amazing how the looks grow on you when the penny drops you're driving something game-changing.

This new car confuses me: US reviews reckon it rides better, Evo that it's much harder and now PH that it's much the same. Which is it? The only thing I'd change about mine is the niggly low speed ride, even in comfort mode sometimes. Was hoping the facelift would address this.

Augustus Windsock

3,369 posts

155 months

Sunday 27th September 2020
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I don’t own one and have never driven one, sadly.
Yes it may not be a looker but it certainly seems to have what it takes to hustle it down the road and around the bends as well as if not better than most rivals
With regards to looks, I just mused in this: if Usain Bolt has been very ugly but still won all of the races and broken the world records that he did, would we be discussing his athletic prowess or his running ability...?

The Rotrex Kid

30,308 posts

160 months

Sunday 27th September 2020
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Mysstree said:
Surely there is a market for a model with less of the exterior Lardner, not everyone wants to be loud and shouty.
Errrr....



You asked and they provide.

HazzaT

460 posts

45 months

Sunday 27th September 2020
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I think the facelift is a big improvement actually, losing the fame vents makes it sharper and much less fussy. Obviously still not for everyone but it's now cleaner and still aggressive.

MrBarry123

6,027 posts

121 months

Sunday 27th September 2020
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mhurley said:
I wouldn't be seen dead in one
It’s likely you wouldn’t have much of a choice.

samoht

5,716 posts

146 months

Sunday 27th September 2020
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If I wanted a new hot hatch, it would be this, in black to hide the fussy black plastic front and rear.


macky17 said:
The only thing I'd change about mine is the niggly low speed ride, even in comfort mode sometimes. Was hoping the facelift would address this.
The Sportline version does run on 19" wheels (rather than 20s), which suggests that (a) they fit over the brakes (b) Honda thinks it drives fine on slightly smaller wheels with a bit more sidewall. Could imagine that this would take a bit of the niggle out of the low speed ride.

In fact these guys are suggesting 18" wheels for the FK8 https://www.systemmotorsports.com/collections/fk8-... . So it looks like you could fix the poor offset of the stock wheels, improve the ride and run some legendary JDM wheels, all for a fraction of the cost of buying a whole new car ;-)

Unbusy

934 posts

97 months

Sunday 27th September 2020
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If you had someone run into you, obvs you would hear it. But otherwise how could you tell?
A nightmare for a body shop, or the easiest to fix?

PomBstard

6,778 posts

242 months

Sunday 27th September 2020
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And said:
For gods sake add a third seat and belt in the back
Indeed. I think these look ace, and did look at a used one earlier this year, but the lack of the third seat in the back rules it out from the off. I didn't even bother with a test drive, which looking back, was a daft thing to have passed up.

Also, would be good if this standard CTR could be had in the same yellow as the special version featured a couple of days ago. The world needs more antithesis of whatever the rest are doing. Top job, Honda.