RE: Peugeot to sell factory restored 205 GTIs
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I actually preferred my mk1 golf GTI to the 205 1.9’s I had. I owned the golf maybe 4 times (as me & a mate used to sell it back to one another over the years)
I ‘upgraded’ to the 205 and they did seem a razor blade compared to the golf but I’d have a well driven route home and there wasn’t much that’d stay with the mk1 golf. Reason being at 10/10ths the golf would go into this super controllable slide and you could lift off, play with the steering etc. If you tried to get the same speed round one particular bend in the 205’s and play with it you’d spin like a top. I even know of someone that came seriously unstuck in one trying to follow said mk1.
IMO anyone that wants the 205 nostalgia today, get a clio 172. The engines are bullet proof (I was having engine issues with my 205 GTI 23 years ago!) Just take the seat spacers out of the clio to lower the seat and fit a momo/omp steering wheel and it’s an epic little car. Make sure it’s standard though! There’s is nothing wrong with stock clio suspension and lowering them ruins them for the roads. I’d challenge anyone not to love driving my stock 172.
It does almost everything better than a 205, the only thing it lacks is some of the 205’s steering feel but it steers and turns better than any modern car I’ve driven and has way more steering feel than modern stuff too.
£1000-£2500 for a 172 or what £5000-£30,000 for a 205?
I ‘upgraded’ to the 205 and they did seem a razor blade compared to the golf but I’d have a well driven route home and there wasn’t much that’d stay with the mk1 golf. Reason being at 10/10ths the golf would go into this super controllable slide and you could lift off, play with the steering etc. If you tried to get the same speed round one particular bend in the 205’s and play with it you’d spin like a top. I even know of someone that came seriously unstuck in one trying to follow said mk1.
IMO anyone that wants the 205 nostalgia today, get a clio 172. The engines are bullet proof (I was having engine issues with my 205 GTI 23 years ago!) Just take the seat spacers out of the clio to lower the seat and fit a momo/omp steering wheel and it’s an epic little car. Make sure it’s standard though! There’s is nothing wrong with stock clio suspension and lowering them ruins them for the roads. I’d challenge anyone not to love driving my stock 172.
It does almost everything better than a 205, the only thing it lacks is some of the 205’s steering feel but it steers and turns better than any modern car I’ve driven and has way more steering feel than modern stuff too.
£1000-£2500 for a 172 or what £5000-£30,000 for a 205?
uncleluck said:
I actually preferred my mk1 golf GTI to the 205 1.9’s I had. I owned the golf maybe 4 times (as me & a mate used to sell it back to one another over the years)
I ‘upgraded’ to the 205 and they did seem a razor blade compared to the golf but I’d have a well driven route home and there wasn’t much that’d stay with the mk1 golf. Reason being at 10/10ths the golf would go into this super controllable slide and you could lift off, play with the steering etc. If you tried to get the same speed round one particular bend in the 205’s and play with it you’d spin like a top. I even know of someone that came seriously unstuck in one trying to follow said mk1.
IMO anyone that wants the 205 nostalgia today, get a clio 172. The engines are bullet proof (I was having engine issues with my 205 GTI 23 years ago!) Just take the seat spacers out of the clio to lower the seat and fit a momo/omp steering wheel and it’s an epic little car. Make sure it’s standard though! There’s is nothing wrong with stock clio suspension and lowering them ruins them for the roads. I’d challenge anyone not to love driving my stock 172.
It does almost everything better than a 205, the only thing it lacks is some of the 205’s steering feel but it steers and turns better than any modern car I’ve driven and has way more steering feel than modern stuff too.
£1000-£2500 for a 172 or what £5000-£30,000 for a 205?
I preferred the Mk1 Golfs I had as well, and the second one went between me and two friends as well. I ‘upgraded’ to the 205 and they did seem a razor blade compared to the golf but I’d have a well driven route home and there wasn’t much that’d stay with the mk1 golf. Reason being at 10/10ths the golf would go into this super controllable slide and you could lift off, play with the steering etc. If you tried to get the same speed round one particular bend in the 205’s and play with it you’d spin like a top. I even know of someone that came seriously unstuck in one trying to follow said mk1.
IMO anyone that wants the 205 nostalgia today, get a clio 172. The engines are bullet proof (I was having engine issues with my 205 GTI 23 years ago!) Just take the seat spacers out of the clio to lower the seat and fit a momo/omp steering wheel and it’s an epic little car. Make sure it’s standard though! There’s is nothing wrong with stock clio suspension and lowering them ruins them for the roads. I’d challenge anyone not to love driving my stock 172.
It does almost everything better than a 205, the only thing it lacks is some of the 205’s steering feel but it steers and turns better than any modern car I’ve driven and has way more steering feel than modern stuff too.
£1000-£2500 for a 172 or what £5000-£30,000 for a 205?
Agree that the 172/182 is nailed on to get a little pricey in the future, dwindling in numbers now as they get an MOT generated bill > market value. Worth buying a few if you have a barn to find them in a few years hence. I tried one and couldnt see what the fuss was but my brain was addled by turbo engines, I think if I had actually bought it I would have got it but on a short test drive I just wasnt into it.
The 172 is 20 years old, almost a classic in its own right, maybe not as a pretty as 205 but they do look good and have quite a bit more power.
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Renault-Clio-Sport-172/...
Not the greatest example, but £1500 and not irredeemable, another five years and will be bemoaning the lack of £1500 examples, probably some cheaper ones still out there.
£1500 in a bank for 5 years, vs £1500 in that (even if it has been mildly barried) - which do we think would have the best return ? assuming you have somewhere to put it.
J4CKO said:
I preferred the Mk1 Golfs I had as well, and the second one went between me and two friends as well.
Agree that the 172/182 is nailed on to get a little pricey in the future, dwindling in numbers now as they get an MOT generated bill > market value. Worth buying a few if you have a barn to find them in a few years hence. I tried one and couldnt see what the fuss was but my brain was addled by turbo engines, I think if I had actually bought it I would have got it but on a short test drive I just wasnt into it.
The 172 is 20 years old, almost a classic in its own right, maybe not as a pretty as 205 but they do look good and have quite a bit more power.
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Renault-Clio-Sport-172/...
Not the greatest example, but £1500 and not irredeemable, another five years and will be bemoaning the lack of £1500 examples, probably some cheaper ones still out there.
£1500 in a bank for 5 years, vs £1500 in that (even if it has been mildly barried) - which do we think would have the best return ? assuming you have somewhere to put it.
Yep, I’ve tried to tell a friend with regard the values of nice ones. Only thing I would say about them ever being big money is the engines are so strong and if they haven’t been previously paint repaired or damaged they don’t rust so the numbers are not falling like a Renault 5 GTT. Only issues to kill them are gearboxes where they leak and don’t ever get topped up and aux belt letting go and taking out the timing belt. So just years of neglect getting to those points.Agree that the 172/182 is nailed on to get a little pricey in the future, dwindling in numbers now as they get an MOT generated bill > market value. Worth buying a few if you have a barn to find them in a few years hence. I tried one and couldnt see what the fuss was but my brain was addled by turbo engines, I think if I had actually bought it I would have got it but on a short test drive I just wasnt into it.
The 172 is 20 years old, almost a classic in its own right, maybe not as a pretty as 205 but they do look good and have quite a bit more power.
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Renault-Clio-Sport-172/...
Not the greatest example, but £1500 and not irredeemable, another five years and will be bemoaning the lack of £1500 examples, probably some cheaper ones still out there.
£1500 in a bank for 5 years, vs £1500 in that (even if it has been mildly barried) - which do we think would have the best return ? assuming you have somewhere to put it.
I have two of them (but not for investment reasons) and would honestly collect them if I had space to (already at max of 5 vehicles). I can understand why some people on the clio forums have had half a dozen of them at some point, especially when you could get them for under a grand. There’s nothing like them for the money.
For the sake of £3k for an absolutely superb 172 vs what’s being talked about here (ie £50k for a 205) it’s a no brainier. Plus you could use and abuse a 172 but unless you’re filthy rich you aren’t doing that in a £50k 205. Plus I’d wager even a 80k mile 172 will still outlast a refreshed 205 engine and perform way better. There’s people with over 200k on 172 engines.
Driving enjoyment may well be an old 205 at a couple of grand, I get that but spending £50k on one doesn’t equal driving enjoyment it equals regret.
This is what I did, after having to let my fire damaged Lotus Elan go, I wanted a cheap, reliable project/track day car to stick in the garage. I bought a 60,000 mile 172 Cup for £1,100. It was totally standard except for a stainless steel cat back exhaust as the original owner got fed up with replacing the standard one.
As you say the steering isn’t as nice as the 205 (if you had the non-PAS model) but in most other ways that matter it’s an old school hot hatch, no ABS, no traction control, just a big engine in a small light car.
I’d still love a GTi again though, always fancied an MI-16 one, in Miami Blue.
As you say the steering isn’t as nice as the 205 (if you had the non-PAS model) but in most other ways that matter it’s an old school hot hatch, no ABS, no traction control, just a big engine in a small light car.
I’d still love a GTi again though, always fancied an MI-16 one, in Miami Blue.
MiseryStreak said:
This is what I did, after having to let my fire damaged Lotus Elan go, I wanted a cheap, reliable project/track day car to stick in the garage. I bought a 60,000 mile 172 Cup for £1,100. It was totally standard except for a stainless steel cat back exhaust as the original owner got fed up with replacing the standard one.
As you say the steering isn’t as nice as the 205 (if you had the non-PAS model) but in most other ways that matter it’s an old school hot hatch, no ABS, no traction control, just a big engine in a small light car.
I’d still love a GTi again though, always fancied an MI-16 one, in Miami Blue.
Biggest let down for me with the 1.9 was how it revved, or didn’t. They were so responsive and snappy on the throttle and amazing at pootling on 10% throttle. They gave the impression when driving like tha they were hugely over powered from the passenger seat but in reality if you floored it or kept your foot in that initial poke would be all it had to offer.As you say the steering isn’t as nice as the 205 (if you had the non-PAS model) but in most other ways that matter it’s an old school hot hatch, no ABS, no traction control, just a big engine in a small light car.
I’d still love a GTi again though, always fancied an MI-16 one, in Miami Blue.
I’ll give you £2500 for the cup! Nice buy there for sure, prob get more than £3500 for it if it’s nice. There’s an old chap who parks near where I work who has a stock 172 cup and I’m keen to talk to him but never catch him and don’t know exactly where he works. I might have to wait all stalker and nab him one day, see if he’d sell. Body looks a bit unloved but std.
nunpuncher said:
As a current owner I completely disagree.
I bought mine for nostalgia reasons 8 years ago when they were still c£1000. Ive ran it alongside a mk7 r, an m135i and a cupra 290 and none of them came anywhere near in terms of a proper hooligan hot hatch driving experience. They were all much faster and more comfortable but handled like broken barges compared to my 1.6. I even test drove the much praised mk7 fiesta st but found that stodgy and dull in comparison.
If you think it's about bhp, 0-60, "ring" times and the traffic light gp then you're unlikely to understand the 205 gti
I completely agree, but the swap is at the cost of feeling safe. I recently drove a 1.9 205 gti and as long as I forgot the door bending in when I pulled it closed and the overwhelming feeling of "chinese food tray" safety it was great, darty, rabbid fun, but I did feel lucky to get out unscathed. Not something I ever felt in any of my Mk1 Mk2 Golf GTIs.I bought mine for nostalgia reasons 8 years ago when they were still c£1000. Ive ran it alongside a mk7 r, an m135i and a cupra 290 and none of them came anywhere near in terms of a proper hooligan hot hatch driving experience. They were all much faster and more comfortable but handled like broken barges compared to my 1.6. I even test drove the much praised mk7 fiesta st but found that stodgy and dull in comparison.
If you think it's about bhp, 0-60, "ring" times and the traffic light gp then you're unlikely to understand the 205 gti
I test-drove the 1.6 GTI in 1986. Seemed undergeared. So I bought a new 5GTT then another, between them that was thirteen years.
Then got a tired 1.9 GTI.
What a great car. No PAS, no cat. No silly electronic gadgets. Just a driver's car.
No way could that be replicated in a new car today, any 2020 model of car is going to be heavy, too wide, and full of electronic junk and 'safety' crap.. Oh, and over-thick screen pillars which are a dangerous visual obstruction. New cars?
I wouldn't have a new car if you gave me one, but a 'new' GTI, hmmm.
Even though I sold it 12 years ago, I still remember the 205's comfy supportive seats,. light controls, flickswitch throttle, great turn-in, light airy cabin. Well geared, around 23/1000 iirc. Could cover 250 miles with no fatigue at all.
Not as involving as the 5GTT, but the turbo lag, torque-steer, heavy clutch, vintage gearchange, that car was hard work. As a package the 1.9 was just a better car.
I hope this results in new parts becoming available again. We still have a shopping 205, the door seals leak and have been NLA for years. Little things like that end up killing the car.
Then got a tired 1.9 GTI.
What a great car. No PAS, no cat. No silly electronic gadgets. Just a driver's car.
No way could that be replicated in a new car today, any 2020 model of car is going to be heavy, too wide, and full of electronic junk and 'safety' crap.. Oh, and over-thick screen pillars which are a dangerous visual obstruction. New cars?
I wouldn't have a new car if you gave me one, but a 'new' GTI, hmmm.
Even though I sold it 12 years ago, I still remember the 205's comfy supportive seats,. light controls, flickswitch throttle, great turn-in, light airy cabin. Well geared, around 23/1000 iirc. Could cover 250 miles with no fatigue at all.
Not as involving as the 5GTT, but the turbo lag, torque-steer, heavy clutch, vintage gearchange, that car was hard work. As a package the 1.9 was just a better car.
I hope this results in new parts becoming available again. We still have a shopping 205, the door seals leak and have been NLA for years. Little things like that end up killing the car.
AlexRS2782 said:
The museum have been remanufacturing parts for a couple of years now for a number of Pug / Citroen models - https://www.pieces-de-rechange-classic.com/26-205
Unfortunately some of them have been out of stock for a while now due to lack of production to due Covid. I've got a number of window / body seals on back order at the moment but still no estimated date
Also, it seems most of the parts seem to be made from chocolate, just like the originals I guess?! Unfortunately some of them have been out of stock for a while now due to lack of production to due Covid. I've got a number of window / body seals on back order at the moment but still no estimated date
swisstoni said:
otolith said:
TwigtheWonderkid said:
I get all that. I was lucky enough to own a 309GTI whilst having a 205GTI 1.6 and 1.9 available to use at work. They were all great...in the late 80s. But anyone buying one today, fully restored, for more money that a brand new Civic Type R or the like, is crackers...imho.
There is a very long list of incredibly expensive classic cars which wouldn't see which way a new Civic Type-R went while being objectively worse at everything you can measure.I feel that this analysis somewhat misses the point.
CertainlyMiseryStreak said:
GTRene said:
how cool is this hahah
That’s incredible! I need to know more.
Edited by ReverendCounter on Wednesday 21st April 14:31
Collaudatore said:
GTRene said:
I like the idea, those 205 GTI are lovely, I looked it up, I've owned 11 times a Peugeot 205 in my 'car' life,
most were 1.9 GTI, but also 1.6 GTI and a GT 1.6 and a Rallye 1.9 and Gutman 1.9 and a Gutman tuned Dimma 1.9 (T16 look) and my last one back in 1999 (car 92 on my list) was a 1991 Gentry 1.9 in that dark-ish green, lovely car also.
good old times
Mate, you can't tell us all that without photos most were 1.9 GTI, but also 1.6 GTI and a GT 1.6 and a Rallye 1.9 and Gutman 1.9 and a Gutman tuned Dimma 1.9 (T16 look) and my last one back in 1999 (car 92 on my list) was a 1991 Gentry 1.9 in that dark-ish green, lovely car also.
good old times
btw, I thought there was a thread with their new Peugeot 205 GTi Dimma, but I can not find it back, also not in the search, guess I use the wrong words?
I mean this car, looks awesome me thinks, hope they also make some with RWD or AWD
https://www.whichcar.com.au/news/peugeot-205-gti-d...
I mean this car, looks awesome me thinks, hope they also make some with RWD or AWD
https://www.whichcar.com.au/news/peugeot-205-gti-d...
GTRene said:
Made some pictures of my old pictures... here my old Gutman 205 1.9 Dimma, purple, the picture does no justice, in real life the color was a lovely metallic were you could see the metallic parts very good.
Great looking car Renee!Here’s my old Turbo Texhnics powered Dimma, like you I’ve owned a lot of 205’s including 2 Dimma TT cars and one standard bodied TT car.
T5GRF said:
Great looking car Renee!
Here’s my old Turbo Texhnics powered Dimma, like you I’ve owned a lot of 205’s including 2 Dimma TT cars and one standard bodied TT car.
Thanks Mark, great to see you also had a purple dimma Here’s my old Turbo Texhnics powered Dimma, like you I’ve owned a lot of 205’s including 2 Dimma TT cars and one standard bodied TT car.
hah, cool, so you also got the peugeot 205 vibe those days , great cars, especially at the time, lots of fun for not to much, one of the best GTI cars.
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