RE: Peugeot to sell factory restored 205 GTIs
Discussion
Augustus Windsock said:
Interested to know how so.
I had a mk1 GTi 1.6 and it was...ok.
I remember desperately scrabbling around trying to source a new 1.8 Campaign at the end of the mk1 run and missing out
Subsequently bought a mk2 8v and then a dark metallic green (Oak?) 16v and found them to be terrific cars, the 16v was a car that needed revving to make it work to be fair.
The 16v was a very different experience to an Escort RS Turbo that replaced it and I would still take one today over any 205, RS Turbo etc
They were built as if to withstand a nuclear bomb goi g off and for my money felt better planted and secure
Makes one wonder how much VW would, or indeed could charge for a factory built GTi ...
Yes, that's something I forgot to add to which my argument was based on, build quality. The GTi 16V was as you said built to last.I had a mk1 GTi 1.6 and it was...ok.
I remember desperately scrabbling around trying to source a new 1.8 Campaign at the end of the mk1 run and missing out
Subsequently bought a mk2 8v and then a dark metallic green (Oak?) 16v and found them to be terrific cars, the 16v was a car that needed revving to make it work to be fair.
The 16v was a very different experience to an Escort RS Turbo that replaced it and I would still take one today over any 205, RS Turbo etc
They were built as if to withstand a nuclear bomb goi g off and for my money felt better planted and secure
Makes one wonder how much VW would, or indeed could charge for a factory built GTi ...
It would be amazing to see other manufactures following in Peugeot's footsteps though.
GTRene said:
I like the idea, those 205 GTI are lovely, I looked it up, I've owned 11 times a Peugeot 205 in my 'car' life,
most were 1.9 GTI, but also 1.6 GTI and a GT 1.6 and a Rallye 1.9 and Gutman 1.9 and a Gutman tuned Dimma 1.9 (T16 look) and my last one back in 1999 (car 92 on my list) was a 1991 Gentry 1.9 in that dark-ish green, lovely car also.
good old times
Mate, you can't tell us all that without photos most were 1.9 GTI, but also 1.6 GTI and a GT 1.6 and a Rallye 1.9 and Gutman 1.9 and a Gutman tuned Dimma 1.9 (T16 look) and my last one back in 1999 (car 92 on my list) was a 1991 Gentry 1.9 in that dark-ish green, lovely car also.
good old times
Like all old hot hatches, we think of them in terms of how we reacted to them when they were new and a 130 bhp, fine handling, good looking hatch was a revelation, but drive them now and they perhaps don't live up to the weight of the nostalgia.
Would have to be really keen to spend all that money on one, and remember, these were one of the best at the time, stuff like a XR3i, thought it was a cultural icon, it wasnt actually much cop.
Or, you could buy a really nice 944 or similar, which was three times the price at the time, for a reason.
Love the 205 GTI but we need to remember not to get too carried away.
Would have to be really keen to spend all that money on one, and remember, these were one of the best at the time, stuff like a XR3i, thought it was a cultural icon, it wasnt actually much cop.
Or, you could buy a really nice 944 or similar, which was three times the price at the time, for a reason.
Love the 205 GTI but we need to remember not to get too carried away.
nunpuncher said:
As a current owner I completely disagree.
I bought mine for nostalgia reasons 8 years ago when they were still c£1000. Ive ran it alongside a mk7 r, an m135i and a cupra 290 and none of them came anywhere near in terms of a proper hooligan hot hatch driving experience. They were all much faster and more comfortable but handled like broken barges compared to my 1.6. I even test drove the much praised mk7 fiesta st but found that stodgy and dull in comparison.
If you think it's about bhp, 0-60, "ring" times and the traffic light gp then you're unlikely to understand the 205 gti
Exactly this. When I got a Golf R, I kept my 172 Cup, and driving the little Clio was still an event. Yes, the Golf was 'better' in every objective way, but that doesn't mean it was more fun, or more of an experience. It doesn't require rose-tinted spectacles to drive and enjoy such cars at all, you just have to think of them in the context of when they were made.I bought mine for nostalgia reasons 8 years ago when they were still c£1000. Ive ran it alongside a mk7 r, an m135i and a cupra 290 and none of them came anywhere near in terms of a proper hooligan hot hatch driving experience. They were all much faster and more comfortable but handled like broken barges compared to my 1.6. I even test drove the much praised mk7 fiesta st but found that stodgy and dull in comparison.
If you think it's about bhp, 0-60, "ring" times and the traffic light gp then you're unlikely to understand the 205 gti
TwigtheWonderkid said:
I get all that. I was lucky enough to own a 309GTI whilst having a 205GTI 1.6 and 1.9 available to use at work. They were all great...in the late 80s. But anyone buying one today, fully restored, for more money that a brand new Civic Type R or the like, is crackers...imho.
They're not crackers, they just like different things to you.I never had a 205 GTi (couldn’t afford one) but I had a 1.4 version.
The steering feel, brake feel, handling, balance and cross wind stability were all superb.
I remember coming off a motorway once and realising I was approaching a roundabout too quickly and thinking I was going to slide off the road because I could feel the gravel marbles on the road through the steering ( I didn’t crash), or being distracted by a nice pair of legs numerous times and only just avoiding a rear ender because I could feel through the brake pedal when the front wheels were going to lock.
The lift off oversteer was brilliant. Drive up to a T junction at about 30 in 3rd, turn in, lift off, change down to 2nd and steer into the skid. Excellent fun, at road legal speeds.
Shame the driving position f
ked my right knee.
I don’t think it was just down to that era of cars before everything got so heavy and over assisted as the car which preceded it was a Pug 104 which was unremarkable in every way except for the ridiculously tight turning circle and it was succeeded by a company Escort Mk4 diesel which sucked donkey balls and was hateful in almost every way.
The steering feel, brake feel, handling, balance and cross wind stability were all superb.
I remember coming off a motorway once and realising I was approaching a roundabout too quickly and thinking I was going to slide off the road because I could feel the gravel marbles on the road through the steering ( I didn’t crash), or being distracted by a nice pair of legs numerous times and only just avoiding a rear ender because I could feel through the brake pedal when the front wheels were going to lock.
The lift off oversteer was brilliant. Drive up to a T junction at about 30 in 3rd, turn in, lift off, change down to 2nd and steer into the skid. Excellent fun, at road legal speeds.
Shame the driving position f
ked my right knee. I don’t think it was just down to that era of cars before everything got so heavy and over assisted as the car which preceded it was a Pug 104 which was unremarkable in every way except for the ridiculously tight turning circle and it was succeeded by a company Escort Mk4 diesel which sucked donkey balls and was hateful in almost every way.
LP670 said:
David87 said:
1602Mark said:
Wonder if BMW might be up for knocking out a few E30 M3's? 
I've been saying this for years. Would much rather have one than the new version. An E30 325i sport would do as well!
J4CKO said:
Like all old hot hatches, we think of them in terms of how we reacted to them when they were new and a 130 bhp, fine handling, good looking hatch was a revelation, but drive them now and they perhaps don't live up to the weight of the nostalgia.
Would have to be really keen to spend all that money on one, and remember, these were one of the best at the time, stuff like a XR3i, thought it was a cultural icon, it wasnt actually much cop.
Or, you could buy a really nice 944 or similar, which was three times the price at the time, for a reason.
Love the 205 GTI but we need to remember not to get too carried away.
I already addressed the issue of the 205 vs nostalgia above, so not going to do it again. Ironically, I ALSO have a 944 S2 in the garage, and argument is the same for both compared to modern contemporaries.Would have to be really keen to spend all that money on one, and remember, these were one of the best at the time, stuff like a XR3i, thought it was a cultural icon, it wasnt actually much cop.
Or, you could buy a really nice 944 or similar, which was three times the price at the time, for a reason.
Love the 205 GTI but we need to remember not to get too carried away.
Nostalgia doesn't come in to it - don't know why that is even brought up. They were hilarious to drive then, and even MORE hilarious to drive now considering how digitally nannyed and clinical everything from cars to road regulations are now.
I honestly don't see how you can direct the 'nostalgia' argument against the 205, yet not the 944, especially when I currently own an example of both!
tiggyzak said:
Anyway the Pug GTI 1.6 ? Loved that too but....and , it got so tiresome that I sold it fairly quickly ,it had that dreaded driveline shunt. Such a pity .It made driving it in traffic a bit unpleasant.
I owned a ten year old one back in 1997 and my experience was the same. it also would never idle properly and involved blipping the throttle when coming to a halt to stop it stalling. Really couldn't see what all the fuss was about.But before this I owned a one owner 205 XS and it was absolutely fantastic. It was almost like taking everything about the car back a notch (performance, suspension etc.) made it a much better car overall (compared to a thrashed 1.6 GTi anyway!)
£50k for one?
daveco said:
LP670 said:
David87 said:
1602Mark said:
Wonder if BMW might be up for knocking out a few E30 M3's?
I've been saying this for years. Would much rather have one than the new version. An E30 325i sport would do as well!
about 20 years ago, I bought a Roland Garros.
It was rough, but that raucous little 1.4 ( same engine as the XS, I think?? ) was just so eager.
The white interior had long since turned to light gray.
In a move of stunning stupidity, I had a cousin bin the 1.4 and drop in an XUD.
When I say drop in, he literally did just that, it ran like a dog.
Perusing https://laventurepeugeotcitroends.fr/ I just spotted a full set of Roland Garros seatbelts.... for 350 euros.....
A sign of what's to come I fear
It was rough, but that raucous little 1.4 ( same engine as the XS, I think?? ) was just so eager.
The white interior had long since turned to light gray.
In a move of stunning stupidity, I had a cousin bin the 1.4 and drop in an XUD.
When I say drop in, he literally did just that, it ran like a dog.
Perusing https://laventurepeugeotcitroends.fr/ I just spotted a full set of Roland Garros seatbelts.... for 350 euros.....
A sign of what's to come I fear
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