RE: 331mph Tuatara is world's fastest production car
Discussion
What’s really crazy is how normal 200 looks when he’s slowing down.
Wonder if it works a bit like that for the speed record holder chaps. See 200 and 100 seems slow, 300 & 200 seems slow and so forth. Or I guess it could also be the vehicle is engineered to do 350 so at 200 it’s really stable and happy.
Wonder if it works a bit like that for the speed record holder chaps. See 200 and 100 seems slow, 300 & 200 seems slow and so forth. Or I guess it could also be the vehicle is engineered to do 350 so at 200 it’s really stable and happy.
Water Fairy said:
Another person unable to give a measured and informed response. It's easier to jump on the band wagon rather than attempt to construct a response that actually puts forward an alternative and relevant viewpoint.
My original post was quite clear to those with a few IQ.
A 331mph ICE car in a world that is slowly but surely being destroyed? There is no doubt we will be the architects of our own downfall.
But that's ok as long people can come up with witty, sarcastic reposes.
How big is the engine in your m-sport?My original post was quite clear to those with a few IQ.
A 331mph ICE car in a world that is slowly but surely being destroyed? There is no doubt we will be the architects of our own downfall.
But that's ok as long people can come up with witty, sarcastic reposes.
leef44 said:
Water Fairy said:
Another person unable to give a measured and informed response. It's easier to jump on the band wagon rather than attempt to construct a response that actually puts forward an alternative and relevant viewpoint.
My original post was quite clear to those with a few IQ.
A 331mph ICE car in a world that is slowly but surely being destroyed? There is no doubt we will be the architects of our own downfall.
But that's ok as long people can come up with witty, sarcastic reposes.
In your opinion, should we stop all forms of motorsport which use combustion engines and only have electric vehicle races, or go further and not have any racing at all since it furthers the destruction of the climate for human life on this planet?My original post was quite clear to those with a few IQ.
A 331mph ICE car in a world that is slowly but surely being destroyed? There is no doubt we will be the architects of our own downfall.
But that's ok as long people can come up with witty, sarcastic reposes.
I'm not being sarcastic here, I'm wondering where you would draw the line and why.
I get what you are saying but if you are going down the 'worlds going to end due to the ICE' route, then you, I and everyone else knows there's more to that problem than just ultra performance cars - or any car.
I'd also suggest that those who comment on 'what's the point' etc. Well I'm sure Michelin may well have learned something more from that already incredible Cup 2 tyre. Perhaps other manufacturers have also learned a few things/ gathered some data.
Perhaps information that makes our future tyres/components ever better/safer/more capable.
Lets face it, when all you have is your electric car to track, having even better tyres etc might be a good thing? Would you agree or disagree Water Fairey?
For what it's worth, the idiot who flamed you may have been banned? Seems some very heavy modding has taken place. Thankfully.
Water Fairy said:
Another person unable to give a measured and informed response. It's easier to jump on the band wagon rather than attempt to construct a response that actually puts forward an alternative and relevant viewpoint.
My original post was quite clear to those with a few IQ.
A 331mph ICE car in a world that is slowly but surely being destroyed? There is no doubt we will be the architects of our own downfall.
But that's ok as long people can come up with witty, sarcastic reposes.
It’s a slippery slope when you mention the world being destroyed, there is probably more harm being caused to the planet by a Tesla than this car as I doubt many will be built and driven! My original post was quite clear to those with a few IQ.
A 331mph ICE car in a world that is slowly but surely being destroyed? There is no doubt we will be the architects of our own downfall.
But that's ok as long people can come up with witty, sarcastic reposes.
I don’t have a problem with your original comment, I’m just saying, there are a lot more pressing issues regarding destroying our planet, Nigeria has a population of 200 million people and nearly every household uses a ICE generator.
This is one thing I have against environmentalists, cars are not only the least of our worries, they are also important to society as they have become a part of civilization, we have to keep using them and that’s not going to change, we might all go full EV soon but that isn’t going to solve anything.
Why can’t we have a bit of fun without somebody s
tting over it and mentioning the climate.As for the car, they’ll probably build 10 and spend most of their time in a climate controlled garage or being fixed (if they’re used regularly) as I can’t imagine 1750bhp V8 being reliable. No planet destroying here
donkmeister said:
91AKI is called "Premium" in the US and is indeed equivalent to 95 RON. The reason it's called that is because "Regular" is 87AKI, which is equivalent to 91 RON. In addition to RON/AKI confusion I think Regular is where the "US petrol is low octane" thing comes from... They genuinely do have lower octane fuel, but also have what we regard as normal octane fuel.
Are you sure about the "limited number of states" thing though? It was my understanding that 91AKI is ubiquitous in the US alongside 87 (and even 85 in mountainous regions).
Hi there. Are you sure about the "limited number of states" thing though? It was my understanding that 91AKI is ubiquitous in the US alongside 87 (and even 85 in mountainous regions).
91 AKI is premium in some states. About half of states offer up to 93 AKI. Kindly see the following -- both the vertical columns and the Notes.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._State_Fuel_Octa...
Fuel is formulated for factors like altitude and season of the year. This, consequently, divides the US into a patchwork of differing zones for fuel. This patchwork is further fragmented by the requirement to provide cleaner-burning formulations in and around major metropolitan areas. In a scheme called Reformulated Gasoline (RFG):
https://www.epa.gov/gasoline-standards/reformulate...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gasoline#Oxygenate_b...
Fuel wholesalers and retailers cannot sell whatever they want, wherever they want. Fuel formulated for one region or zone is not necessarily allowed in another. With reduced opportunities for scale and arbitrage, you will find sometimes that fuel prices increase temporarily in, say, California whilst remaining untouched almost everywhere else.
About misunderstandings: My experience has been that EU folks on holiday / business simply glance at the octane number and take it for face value, without being aware of the distinct AKI standard of measurement used in the US.
Water Fairy said:
My original post was quite clear to those with a few IQ.
No, it wasn't. It was an off-the-cuff reply offering no context or opinion, which you're now going back and claiming was the subtext.So replying to your original query with context (and to be clear, I do in many ways share your view);
Going fast is about extracting maximum efficiency. The conversion of fuel into locomotive force and minimising friction losses.
Plenty of cars have been given 1700bhp (from whatever source) - Vipers, Supras, Skylines etc., but they were a million miles from being able to travel this quickly because of (amongst other things) wind resistance and drivetrain losses.
So every bit of engineering that goes in to making this car incredibly fast, would translate pretty directly into also making a car incredibly efficient. That's before getting on to the rather thorny issue of heat management, which this and the Chiron have to deal with in bucket loads - as do EVs. Granted, opportunity for frictional loss in an EV is significantly less than in an ICE. Pretty much down to a few bearings and motors.
Whilst the boat for engine tech to trickle down has now surely sailed in light of our pending EV era, the rest of it is absolutely relevant.
What more fitting way to move from one era to another than by having some absolute triumphs of engineering? I have absolutely no doubt the 350mph will be broken before the ICE is gone.
I suppose my question to you in return - suppose the first 350mph car is an EV, what would your stance be?
Quite aside from that - we'd benefit more from being vegetarian than driving EV cars vs ICE.
Ray_Aber said:
Really impressive for a small outfit. The engineering required to make this work is not to be underestimated.
Now, dealing with a few current issues.
1. I am impressed by any engineering feat in the automotive world.
2. This includes electric cars designed from the ground up (see Lucid, for example).
3. I am impressed with any BEV that can get - or approach - over 4 miles per Kwh
4. I am delighted with any car that gets under 1200kg. Alpine A110 - take a bow.
5. I am hugely impressed with any car that can hit 100mph in under 6 seconds.
6. I am blown away with any car that can go faster than 250mph.
7. I love it when a boggo Astra with >110hp can get 60mpg on a run across south Spain (as I did recently). A PETROL Astra...
Is the Tuatara pointless? Probably. Maybe. I don't care. I am impressed, and love reading of stories like this. Pushing the limits. Well done SSC! Now for the Koenigsegg Jesko. Bring it on!
In short, I love cars where there's something genuinely interesting behind the story, the engineering, the innovation.
In this Forum of black and white, I proudly stand up as grey. Not as in 50 Shades of Grey (aka the Audi colour scheme), but being able to embrace the whole spectrum of PH. Apart from black wheels ;-)
I don’t think I’ve ever agreed with a post more. Even down to the black wheels. Bravo.Now, dealing with a few current issues.
1. I am impressed by any engineering feat in the automotive world.
2. This includes electric cars designed from the ground up (see Lucid, for example).
3. I am impressed with any BEV that can get - or approach - over 4 miles per Kwh
4. I am delighted with any car that gets under 1200kg. Alpine A110 - take a bow.
5. I am hugely impressed with any car that can hit 100mph in under 6 seconds.
6. I am blown away with any car that can go faster than 250mph.
7. I love it when a boggo Astra with >110hp can get 60mpg on a run across south Spain (as I did recently). A PETROL Astra...
Is the Tuatara pointless? Probably. Maybe. I don't care. I am impressed, and love reading of stories like this. Pushing the limits. Well done SSC! Now for the Koenigsegg Jesko. Bring it on!
In short, I love cars where there's something genuinely interesting behind the story, the engineering, the innovation.
In this Forum of black and white, I proudly stand up as grey. Not as in 50 Shades of Grey (aka the Audi colour scheme), but being able to embrace the whole spectrum of PH. Apart from black wheels ;-)
MitchT said:
I recall an article in which it was claimed that a Bugatti Veyron travelling at top speed will destroy its tyres in 19 minutes, but this isn't a problem as it'll run out of fuel in 12 minutes, thus avoiding disaster. I wonder what those times would look like for the Tuatara?
This car carries a lot less weight than a Veyron, but yes it will quickly drink the tank and shred the tyres at these speeds. As others have said, the achievement in tyre technology for running at these speeds shouldn’t be underestimated. Hats off to everyone involved in the project, awesome achievement! Chestrockwell said:
As for the car, they’ll probably build 10 and spend most of their time in a climate controlled garage or being fixed (if they’re used regularly) as I can’t imagine 1750bhp V8 being reliable. No planet destroying here
In regard to durability - that's still a relatively low power level; Nelson Racing Engines are one of the better engine builders and despite the power figures often being higher than what's deemed the pinnacle i.e. Bugatti's Chiron, or the latest and greatest from Koenigsegg, the service intervals are no worse than a regular engine, and they're built to last, they're not nearly as highly strung as they may appear - the great benefit with turbocharging big capacity V8's being that off-boost they're incredibly docile.The same issue befalls this car as does the Chiron though - it takes a long time to get up to vmax, it uses a lot of real estate and cannot be achieved on a normal racing circuit, only a closed road. IIRC, Bugatti would allow you (presumably for a fee) a crack at vmax'ing your Chiron at Ehra-Lessien. I'm not sure where SSC stand with just closing a public road in Nevada when someone fancies a go at running 300mph.
The Tuatara is something of a one trick pony though, because with a 1/4 mile time of 9.75 (according to the internet anyway), it's unlikely to trouble most stuff at a drag strip. I get the question of 'what's the point' - it's the challenge I guess. The next mark will be 350mph. It's not physically impossible, and the tyre technology exists, at least in Top Fuel (Goodyear rate the 36" x 17" tyres up to 350mph, but have historically had issues with them delaminating through centrifugal forces and the tyre profile become arrow head shape, putting a lot of heat into a narrow contact patch). Those tyres aren't road going though, and they're designed for a very different animal, that will hit 339mph from zero in 3.6 seconds and then be decelerating.
Ray_Aber said:
Really impressive for a small outfit. The engineering required to make this work is not to be underestimated.
Now, dealing with a few current issues.
1. I am impressed by any engineering feat in the automotive world.
2. This includes electric cars designed from the ground up (see Lucid, for example).
3. I am impressed with any BEV that can get - or approach - over 4 miles per Kwh
4. I am delighted with any car that gets under 1200kg. Alpine A110 - take a bow.
5. I am hugely impressed with any car that can hit 100mph in under 6 seconds.
6. I am blown away with any car that can go faster than 250mph.
7. I love it when a boggo Astra with >110hp can get 60mpg on a run across south Spain (as I did recently). A PETROL Astra...
Is the Tuatara pointless? Probably. Maybe. I don't care. I am impressed, and love reading of stories like this. Pushing the limits. Well done SSC! Now for the Koenigsegg Jesko. Bring it on!
In short, I love cars where there's something genuinely interesting behind the story, the engineering, the innovation.
In this Forum of black and white, I proudly stand up as grey. Not as in 50 Shades of Grey (aka the Audi colour scheme), but being able to embrace the whole spectrum of PH. Apart from black wheels ;-)
Great reply. What an awful world this would be if we all abandoned trying to push the boundaries of what we already know and accept (and love!), in favour of channelling all available intellectual and engineering resources in towards just one narrow and defined route instead. Now, dealing with a few current issues.
1. I am impressed by any engineering feat in the automotive world.
2. This includes electric cars designed from the ground up (see Lucid, for example).
3. I am impressed with any BEV that can get - or approach - over 4 miles per Kwh
4. I am delighted with any car that gets under 1200kg. Alpine A110 - take a bow.
5. I am hugely impressed with any car that can hit 100mph in under 6 seconds.
6. I am blown away with any car that can go faster than 250mph.
7. I love it when a boggo Astra with >110hp can get 60mpg on a run across south Spain (as I did recently). A PETROL Astra...
Is the Tuatara pointless? Probably. Maybe. I don't care. I am impressed, and love reading of stories like this. Pushing the limits. Well done SSC! Now for the Koenigsegg Jesko. Bring it on!
In short, I love cars where there's something genuinely interesting behind the story, the engineering, the innovation.
In this Forum of black and white, I proudly stand up as grey. Not as in 50 Shades of Grey (aka the Audi colour scheme), but being able to embrace the whole spectrum of PH. Apart from black wheels ;-)
There are more than enough entities out there advancing the 'electric' cause: the world is NOT the poorer for having the likes of these guys channel their talents and abilities instead towards a completely different direction, especially in to one that still inspires so many and still gives us so much pleasure.
Muddle238 said:
Fair play.
I’ve clearly been living under a rock, because I thought the current record for fastest production car was still sitting around the 270-280mph mark. Hadn’t realised the 300mph barrier had been broken.
No sir, you were/are still most definitely correct. I’ve clearly been living under a rock, because I thought the current record for fastest production car was still sitting around the 270-280mph mark. Hadn’t realised the 300mph barrier had been broken.
Unfortunately, there are many others out there who AREN'T living under a rock......... but seem to be living on a cloud instead!
Water Fairy said:
Another person unable to give a measured and informed response. It's easier to jump on the band wagon rather than attempt to construct a response that actually puts forward an alternative and relevant viewpoint.
My original post was quite clear to those with a few IQ.
A 331mph ICE car in a world that is slowly but surely being destroyed? There is no doubt we will be the architects of our own downfall.
But that's ok as long people can come up with witty, sarcastic reposes.
Can you please tell us who/where these individuals with 'a few IQ' are, as I've read through the entire thread, and I haven't seen them.My original post was quite clear to those with a few IQ.
A 331mph ICE car in a world that is slowly but surely being destroyed? There is no doubt we will be the architects of our own downfall.
But that's ok as long people can come up with witty, sarcastic reposes.
keith2.2 said:
No, it wasn't. It was an off-the-cuff reply offering no context or opinion, which you're now going back and claiming was the subtext.
So replying to your original query with context (and to be clear, I do in many ways share your view);
Going fast is about extracting maximum efficiency. The conversion of fuel into locomotive force and minimising friction losses.
Plenty of cars have been given 1700bhp (from whatever source) - Vipers, Supras, Skylines etc., but they were a million miles from being able to travel this quickly because of (amongst other things) wind resistance and drivetrain losses.
So every bit of engineering that goes in to making this car incredibly fast, would translate pretty directly into also making a car incredibly efficient. That's before getting on to the rather thorny issue of heat management, which this and the Chiron have to deal with in bucket loads - as do EVs. Granted, opportunity for frictional loss in an EV is significantly less than in an ICE. Pretty much down to a few bearings and motors.
Whilst the boat for engine tech to trickle down has now surely sailed in light of our pending EV era, the rest of it is absolutely relevant.
What more fitting way to move from one era to another than by having some absolute triumphs of engineering? I have absolutely no doubt the 350mph will be broken before the ICE is gone.
I suppose my question to you in return - suppose the first 350mph car is an EV, what would your stance be?
Quite aside from that - we'd benefit more from being vegetarian than driving EV cars vs ICE.
Back of the net sir!! So replying to your original query with context (and to be clear, I do in many ways share your view);
Going fast is about extracting maximum efficiency. The conversion of fuel into locomotive force and minimising friction losses.
Plenty of cars have been given 1700bhp (from whatever source) - Vipers, Supras, Skylines etc., but they were a million miles from being able to travel this quickly because of (amongst other things) wind resistance and drivetrain losses.
So every bit of engineering that goes in to making this car incredibly fast, would translate pretty directly into also making a car incredibly efficient. That's before getting on to the rather thorny issue of heat management, which this and the Chiron have to deal with in bucket loads - as do EVs. Granted, opportunity for frictional loss in an EV is significantly less than in an ICE. Pretty much down to a few bearings and motors.
Whilst the boat for engine tech to trickle down has now surely sailed in light of our pending EV era, the rest of it is absolutely relevant.
What more fitting way to move from one era to another than by having some absolute triumphs of engineering? I have absolutely no doubt the 350mph will be broken before the ICE is gone.
I suppose my question to you in return - suppose the first 350mph car is an EV, what would your stance be?
Quite aside from that - we'd benefit more from being vegetarian than driving EV cars vs ICE.
bunchofkeys said:
It looked so effortless.
Starting off with a slow increase, i noticed 70 was still in 2nd gear?
Then only really starting to push around 200, that's bonkers!
I hear they are going to use a cayman manual box in the next version to get 82 in second...should get them to 400 with the standard gearing Starting off with a slow increase, i noticed 70 was still in 2nd gear?
Then only really starting to push around 200, that's bonkers!
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