RE: Discovery Sport
Discussion
JonnyVTEC said:
I don't need to read the manual.
Was directed at the post you quoted.However, FWIW, I think a lot of people are getting very confused about the differences between the MHEV tech, the likes of Toyota have done an excellent job of pioneering, and the PHEV.
Some people don't realise that PHEV, just like full EVS can regeneratively brake.
Digga said:
as directed at the post you quoted.
However, FWIW, I think a lot of people are getting very confused about the differences between the MHEV tech, the likes of Toyota have done an excellent job of pioneering, and the PHEV.
Some people don't realise that PHEV, just like full EVS can regeneratively brake.
Ah sorry - Indeed. However, FWIW, I think a lot of people are getting very confused about the differences between the MHEV tech, the likes of Toyota have done an excellent job of pioneering, and the PHEV.
Some people don't realise that PHEV, just like full EVS can regeneratively brake.
Digga said:
Neither Disco Sport nor Evoque are 'big'.
At 4.4m the Evoque is just a touch shorter than a Mark 1 Ford Granada – which is one of my mental benchmarks for a big car – and it’s a heck of a lot wider. I expect it’s the widest 4.4m car on the market (cue someone to actually trawl the car mags to check). And the DS is even longer than the Granada. Both are very heavy in standard form and especially so as a PHEV . Remember that the E-Pace (which uses the same basic platform as the Evoque) is heavier than the larger F-Pace due to the amount of steel used. Cars have grown enormously in every dimension in the last couple of decades and the Evoque is one of the worst offenders.
Digga said:
CDP said:
A MK5 Cortina was not an unpleasant car but came in at 965kg. While I wouldn't want to crash one that was built with an all cast iron engine and 1970's steel technology for the body.
You're comparing a dog-eared Filofax and a few shillings of telephone change to an iPhone 12.I doubt too many 1970's and 80's cars would survive the crater-strewn tarmac and speed mountains we have to put up with these days.
I'll raise the stakes to a BL Princess, mine could take speed bumps at 60mph without even noticing. The roads round Norfolk have always been terrible and we never had any bother in fact it did a rather good job of smoothing them out.
I must admit my Vauxhall Cavalier did have issues with the floorplan denting and suspension turrets rusting/flexing but it was knackered to begin with.
CDP said:
Digga said:
CDP said:
A MK5 Cortina was not an unpleasant car but came in at 965kg. While I wouldn't want to crash one that was built with an all cast iron engine and 1970's steel technology for the body.
You're comparing a dog-eared Filofax and a few shillings of telephone change to an iPhone 12.I doubt too many 1970's and 80's cars would survive the crater-strewn tarmac and speed mountains we have to put up with these days.
I'll raise the stakes to a BL Princess, mine could take speed bumps at 60mph without even noticing. The roads round Norfolk have always been terrible and we never had any bother in fact it did a rather good job of smoothing them out.
I must admit my Vauxhall Cavalier did have issues with the floorplan denting and suspension turrets rusting/flexing but it was knackered to begin with.
The pothole thing must be regional as I’ve really noticed there being more today than 40 years ago.
Personally, I think it has more to do with cars being wider so everyone having to drive closer to the edge of the road than ever before, cars all having harder suspension and lower profile tyres and this strange phenomenon of the really, really angry, passive aggressive pensioner, half of whom couldn’t even afford to own a car 40 years ago but today find themselves with a lovely car, a paid off house, nice pension, lots of free time, lots of support and yet really, really angry about stuff which doesn’t seem all that important at times. What happened to the mellow old buffers who didn’t have two farthings to rub together?
In my experience, I’ve actually driven the same cars on the same roads for approaching 30 years and I have to say that I just haven’t noticed a significant deterioration in the quality of tarmac which to be honest, given how many cars people now own, how heavy they are and how often they are used, is pretty impressive.
Pretty much from the age of 21 I have driven a TVR and a Range Rover Classic all around central London and out on the roads between the M4 and M1. There are still dips and bumps in roads that I was avoiding 25 years ago but driving TVRs makes you extremely over observant of holes, especially in London and the Home Counties and in my experience there are fewer today than before.
I don’t think that people are buying a Disco Sport because of potholes anymore than in case they randomly need to go off roading but because people have the money to indulge themselves and it’s a lovely car to sit in and drive, it has good visibility, especially as other types of car become more and more coffin like in terms of seeing anything with your own eyes, it’s easy to get in and out of if you are trending towards that point where dropping into or pushing yourself out of a lower car is becoming more taxing.
The long and short of it is simply that it is a really nice and really practical car and that there is absolutely no shortage of people in the UK with the means to buy one and some of those will want it to be a small pot hybrid either for taxation or because they genuinely want to be EV most of the time but without any of the ghastly limitations of pure EV.
Personally, I think it has more to do with cars being wider so everyone having to drive closer to the edge of the road than ever before, cars all having harder suspension and lower profile tyres and this strange phenomenon of the really, really angry, passive aggressive pensioner, half of whom couldn’t even afford to own a car 40 years ago but today find themselves with a lovely car, a paid off house, nice pension, lots of free time, lots of support and yet really, really angry about stuff which doesn’t seem all that important at times. What happened to the mellow old buffers who didn’t have two farthings to rub together?
In my experience, I’ve actually driven the same cars on the same roads for approaching 30 years and I have to say that I just haven’t noticed a significant deterioration in the quality of tarmac which to be honest, given how many cars people now own, how heavy they are and how often they are used, is pretty impressive.
Pretty much from the age of 21 I have driven a TVR and a Range Rover Classic all around central London and out on the roads between the M4 and M1. There are still dips and bumps in roads that I was avoiding 25 years ago but driving TVRs makes you extremely over observant of holes, especially in London and the Home Counties and in my experience there are fewer today than before.
I don’t think that people are buying a Disco Sport because of potholes anymore than in case they randomly need to go off roading but because people have the money to indulge themselves and it’s a lovely car to sit in and drive, it has good visibility, especially as other types of car become more and more coffin like in terms of seeing anything with your own eyes, it’s easy to get in and out of if you are trending towards that point where dropping into or pushing yourself out of a lower car is becoming more taxing.
The long and short of it is simply that it is a really nice and really practical car and that there is absolutely no shortage of people in the UK with the means to buy one and some of those will want it to be a small pot hybrid either for taxation or because they genuinely want to be EV most of the time but without any of the ghastly limitations of pure EV.
Edited by DonkeyApple on Saturday 24th October 09:21
DonkeyApple said:
The pothole thing must be regional as I’ve really noticed there being more today than 40 years ago.
Driving from Buxton to Leek, you are immediately aware of having entered Staffordshire, by the appalling, patchwork/botchwork Tarmac.It is similar to driving from Geremany into Belgium, via B roads. You cannot mistake the border.
Digga said:
DonkeyApple said:
The pothole thing must be regional as I’ve really noticed there being more today than 40 years ago.
Driving from Buxton to Leek, you are immediately aware of having entered Staffordshire, by the appalling, patchwork/botchwork Tarmac.It is similar to driving from Geremany into Belgium, via B roads. You cannot mistake the border.
Yup. Never saw the point of the EU spending the money on signage when the tarmac and mental drivers told you you’d entered Belgium. It was like that in the 90s though when we used to go to the Ring. The Belgians absolute love a bit of s
t tarmac. You could also drive between Hampstead and Highgate and know the exact point where Camden Council handed over the Brent. It was a specific reason that I didn’t buy a place in Highgate twenty years ago. I went to look at the house in the Griff and decided there was no way I was putting up with that crap every time I wanted to leave London.
And when going for a hoon, the Hertfordshire country lanes were better than the Bucks ones next door.
Digga said:
/T My dad had a six cylinder Wolsey, based on the Princess platform, back in the day. He never went anywhere without at least a pint of spare oil. Levels needed to one check ed and topped daily, as he was doing about 20k miles a year. I can vividly remember him taking a traffic jam on the Severn Bridge as an opportunity to top up oil.
My Princess didn't burn so much oil but it was pretty good at seeping out of the cork cam cover gasket. But it didn't need topping up that often.The one that needed nearly a litre week was my MR2. Astonishingly bit as a week was 600 miles this was within manufacturer tolerances.
Cold said:
Good to read PHers being bang up to date with their reference points. Mk5 Cortina, Mk1 Granada, a BL Princess, a Wolsey and a Vauxhall Cavalier are all being touted as yardsticks for this Discovery Sport.
Let's hope this LR is up to the mark of these luminary titans.
Each to their own, I'd quite fancy a cavalier over an LR sport, an Sri 130 though, nothing else would do! (except a calibre)Let's hope this LR is up to the mark of these luminary titans.
pilsdoughboy said:
Cold said:
Good to read PHers being bang up to date with their reference points. Mk5 Cortina, Mk1 Granada, a BL Princess, a Wolsey and a Vauxhall Cavalier are all being touted as yardsticks for this Discovery Sport.
Let's hope this LR is up to the mark of these luminary titans.
Each to their own, I'd quite fancy a cavalier over an LR sport, an Sri 130 though, nothing else would do! (except a calibre)Let's hope this LR is up to the mark of these luminary titans.
I actually think the DS has a very real nice carved out, but it seems the new management might be about to kill it off, along with a load of other, past-sell-by models.
JonnyVTEC said:
I don't need to read the manual.
Regen braking is the motor working energy backwards when slowing the car = free energy for tractive effort later.
The questions asked was along the lines of cruising up the motorway with roadload covered by the engine + extra load to charge the battery significantly back up. Utter waste of time and energy.
From my understanding of basic PHEV strategy they only do that ifRegen braking is the motor working energy backwards when slowing the car = free energy for tractive effort later.
The questions asked was along the lines of cruising up the motorway with roadload covered by the engine + extra load to charge the battery significantly back up. Utter waste of time and energy.
1) the battery is <5-10%, as it assumes you will want a couple of miles of EV capability at destination. Strategy is normally quite clever as it fires the ICE and adds loads at inefficient points in the cruise, so limiting emissions/fuel consumption
2) or you hit the EV 'sustain' type button, which you would driving into a congestion zone or city where you want 10 miles + of EV at destination without stopping to plug in
[i]Italic Text
When in the default driving mode (Parallel Hybrid) you can optimise fuel economy or battery charge by utilising one of two alternative charge management functions:
• SAVE function – manually selected through the touchscreen, SAVE function prevents the battery charge dropping below the level which has been selected. This allows you to provision for quiet, zero-emission travel at a later point in the journey. The vehicle will only use the electric motor if the battery has received a charge over and above the saved level through regenerative braking.
• Predictive Energy Optimisation (PEO) function – entering a destination in the vehicle's navigation system will automatically engage the PEO function. By utilising altitude data for the chosen route, PEO intelligently switches between the electric motor and petrol engine to maximise fuel economy throughout the journey. [/i]
Generally because yeah using a <40% efficient ICE engine as a generator is daft, end engineers know this even if the customers dont
Cold said:
Good to read PHers being bang up to date with their reference points. Mk5 Cortina, Mk1 Granada, a BL Princess, a Wolsey and a Vauxhall Cavalier are all being touted as yardsticks for this Discovery Sport.
Let's hope this LR is up to the mark of these luminary titans.
You're trying to be funny, but I don't think LR can actually live up to those, so it's not as outrageous as it sounds.Let's hope this LR is up to the mark of these luminary titans.
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