RE: Discovery Sport
Discussion
RUSSELLM said:
Digga said:
Daveyis said:
I plugged into a charger on a services that was 60p per KWh - only showed costs once plugged in
FWIW I gather from mates who have Porsche Taycan EV's that if you join/subscribe to a service (e.g. Polar), it is much cheaper. There is more on the thread about the Taycan: https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...£8.64 / £1.10p a litre of petrol = 7.85L (1.73 gallons)
22 miles electric range / 1.73 gallons = 12.7 mpg
I’d give the 60p a Kw electric, a miss
Daveyis said:
Overall consumption - bearing in mined juiced up with 14.4kw of electricity and a full tank of unleaded - 33mpg - and a range of 335 miles. In petrol only mode sub 30mpg and sometimes sub 20. My V6 3.0 Disco 5 - 34 mpg and no electric costs!
It's a sensible company car due to tax, it's a sensible commuter car, school run, shopping trolley - anything else think hard!
But how many 14.4kw fills did you do in that 335miles, and is that calculated range or actual completed? If only 1 fill its not surprising, PHEVs only really work if you plug them in at every opportunityIt's a sensible company car due to tax, it's a sensible commuter car, school run, shopping trolley - anything else think hard!
Sulphur Man said:
Those who regularly charge these, or any PHEV, are in a massive minority.
The scales should be dashed from everyone's eyes - PHEVs exist to tap into the very favourable company lease rates for low emissions. The comparative success of the Mitsu Outlander PHEV was built on that. This is LR repeating that formula with more desirable vehicles.
I can confidently say the vast majority of these will be parked in the street overnight, no charging going on whatsoever. And no subscription to a charging network sitting with the owner either, as they wouldnt know where the charging point was (unless it comes with free convenient parking).
It doesn't matter though, does it. The scales should be dashed from everyone's eyes - PHEVs exist to tap into the very favourable company lease rates for low emissions. The comparative success of the Mitsu Outlander PHEV was built on that. This is LR repeating that formula with more desirable vehicles.
I can confidently say the vast majority of these will be parked in the street overnight, no charging going on whatsoever. And no subscription to a charging network sitting with the owner either, as they wouldnt know where the charging point was (unless it comes with free convenient parking).
Regardless of how it is charged, these are much better than conventional cars at sitting in traffic jams. 2 miles down the Euston road at a crawl - all electric, zero pollution. Going along the Westway at 40, er, 30, that might be on petrol, and the battery gets a whack of charge - all very efficient. Sitting at the lights in Acton - all electric. On the M40 - petrol + charging the battery.
The problem is the abject lack of proper charging infrastrcture in London. My street has 2 lamp posts to serve about 4 streets. If you can't get charge easily, then you can't sensibly drive an EV without massive inconvenience. These hybrids could solve the air pollution problems in London at a stroke, but the zealots say they are not good enough.
They're an absolutely brilliant hedge against the inevitable piss poor roll out of charging infra, and the drivers of these will be sailing past queues of EVs at charging points.
rxe said:
They're an absolutely brilliant hedge against the inevitable piss poor roll out of charging infra, and the drivers of these will be sailing past queues of EVs at charging points.
I can see a great scenario for PHEVs being the ability to use 100% ICE power in events where charge points are all in use or out of action, but equally, on a long run, to use the 15-20 minute piss & coffee pitstop to top up the battery up charge.Harry Metcalfe of Harrys Garage / Farm and once of Evo is running a BMW X5 45e PHEV, is doing about half his mileage (1764 in Nov) on electric only and is returning 49.3mpg.
Of course he has (many) other cars but this is the family run around used (I think) for a lot of local miles and he has a charger at home, but when he needs to go further he can on petrol. Recent cold weather dropped EV only range from 46 to 37 miles.
Probably a more considered use of a PHEV than never charging it or one charge per tank of fuel.
Of course he has (many) other cars but this is the family run around used (I think) for a lot of local miles and he has a charger at home, but when he needs to go further he can on petrol. Recent cold weather dropped EV only range from 46 to 37 miles.
Probably a more considered use of a PHEV than never charging it or one charge per tank of fuel.
Have to say it's disappointing that the Disco sport doesn't recover charge from the engine, I understand why with the efficiency of that particular drive mode being poor on a 'through the road' system but must make it a lot easier to properly run out of charge for the performance boost if you're hoofing it about.
That was the one aspect that surprised me about the Panamera I had; it felt like it pulled a fraction stronger when it was fully charged but I never actually managed to get it to properly de-rate to IC power only.
That was the one aspect that surprised me about the Panamera I had; it felt like it pulled a fraction stronger when it was fully charged but I never actually managed to get it to properly de-rate to IC power only.
Dashnine said:
Harry Metcalfe of Harrys Garage / Farm and once of Evo is running a BMW X5 45e PHEV, is doing about half his mileage (1764 in Nov) on electric only and is returning 49.3mpg.
Of course he has (many) other cars but this is the family run around used (I think) for a lot of local miles and he has a charger at home, but when he needs to go further he can on petrol. Recent cold weather dropped EV only range from 46 to 37 miles.
Probably a more considered use of a PHEV than never charging it or one charge per tank of fuel.
It might sound obvious but even if you're regularly doing more than the 30 mile range a PHEV typically has then it's easy to forget you're still doing the first 30 miles of it on electric. In a car like an X5 you're effectively knocking five quid off of every journey cost. Even if you're commuting 60 miles you're effectively doubling your fuel consumption if you can be bothered to charge it.Of course he has (many) other cars but this is the family run around used (I think) for a lot of local miles and he has a charger at home, but when he needs to go further he can on petrol. Recent cold weather dropped EV only range from 46 to 37 miles.
Probably a more considered use of a PHEV than never charging it or one charge per tank of fuel.
jagfan2 said:
But how many 14.4kw fills did you do in that 335miles, and is that calculated range or actual completed? If only 1 fill its not surprising, PHEVs only really work if you plug them in at every opportunity
That wasn't what I was getting at - a full tank and full charge is good for 335 miles at a cost of £73 in petrol and power, this afternoon I charged at home (PodPoint charger) and the range was 21 miles at 100%, I drove 15 miles this evening, the car refused to drive in electric mode, even when EV only was selected, local driving, gently and it averaged 17mpg! I pulled on the drive - and the battery is now at 87% and has 18 miles range so 17mpg, engine was in use for the entire time, the blue EV symbol greyed out, the blue tacho gauge never once moved, the graphic display under braking showed energy was being regenerated to the batteries yet apparently I have used 13%. Land Rover dealer getting a call in the morning - 2,225 miles since delivered has cost more in petrol and electricity than I care to work out than my Disco 5 would have cost. I chose the car as I love Land Rovers - have had many - sadly as much as I detest them and it grates to say this - Tesla 3 Long Range would have cost less than £14 (or a fiver on the lowest tariff - free on a Tesla supercharger) for the same range and was discounted as an option and possibly shouldn't have been as my LR fix is parked on the drive with it's V6 diesel smirking at me from behind the grille!On another note the car only comes with a type 2 public charging lead, if you don't have a home charger the genuine lead is £225, BMW, Tesla etc come with BOTH leads as standard.
Update once LR get back to me.
Edited by Daveyis on Thursday 3rd December 22:39
Daveyis said:
That wasn't what I was getting at - a full tank and full charge is good for 335 miles at a cost of £73 in petrol and power, this afternoon I charged at home (PodPoint charger) and the range was 21 miles at 100%, I drove 15 miles this evening, the car refused to drive in electric mode, even when EV only was selected, local driving, gently and it averaged 17mpg! I pulled on the drive - and the battery is now at 87% and has 18 miles range so 17mpg, engine was in use for the entire time, the blue EV symbol greyed out, the blue tacho gauge never once moved, the graphic display under braking showed energy was being regenerated to the batteries yet apparently I have used 13%. Land Rover dealer getting a call in the morning - 2,225 miles since delivered has cost more in petrol and electricity than I care to work out than my Disco 5 would have cost. I chose the car as I love Land Rovers - have had many - sadly as much as I detest them and it grates to say this - Tesla 3 Long Range would have cost less than £14 (or a fiver on the lowest tariff - free on a Tesla supercharger) for the same range and was discounted as an option and possibly shouldn't have been as my LR fix is parked on the drive with it's V6 diesel smirking at me from behind the grille!
On another note the car only comes with a type 2 public charging lead, if you don't have a home charger the genuine lead is £225, BMW, Tesla etc come with BOTH leads as standard.
Update once LR get back to me.
Dealer said cannot supply a courtesy car - 1 month old and that's the response! They said call Land Rover Assist as they will provide one. Called Land Rover Assist - is the car drivable? Yes - oh then we can't help call the retailer!On another note the car only comes with a type 2 public charging lead, if you don't have a home charger the genuine lead is £225, BMW, Tesla etc come with BOTH leads as standard.
Update once LR get back to me.
Edited by Daveyis on Thursday 3rd December 22:39
RUSSELLM said:
Does it have the ‘save’ feature, where you can select a % you don’t want the HV battery to drop below ?
Almost sounds like it’s got 100% saved.
It has a feature you can - 'save for later' - but that doesn't do much as the E side kicks in (well should) regardless of setting when you accelerate hard. This morning - bearing in mid it hasn't moved since pulling up with 87% charge - it now has 57% charge and 11 miles range! I've plugged it in to see what happens.Almost sounds like it’s got 100% saved.
It's got a gremlin somewhere
Daveyis said:
Dealer said cannot supply a courtesy car - 1 month old and that's the response! They said call Land Rover Assist as they will provide one. Called Land Rover Assist - is the car drivable? Yes - oh then we can't help call the retailer!
Went back to dealer - it'll need to have a diagnostic check - well knock me down with a feather who would have thought!! Next appointment JANUARY!!!I have now emailed Ralf Speck and Marlon (helpful chap) in the executive office so let's see what comes Monday - this might (if it'll get there) be on their corporate car park soon- abandoned!
Daveyis said:
Daveyis said:
Dealer said cannot supply a courtesy car - 1 month old and that's the response! They said call Land Rover Assist as they will provide one. Called Land Rover Assist - is the car drivable? Yes - oh then we can't help call the retailer!
Went back to dealer - it'll need to have a diagnostic check - well knock me down with a feather who would have thought!! Next appointment JANUARY!!!I have now emailed Ralf Speck and Marlon (helpful chap) in the executive office so let's see what comes Monday - this might (if it'll get there) be on their corporate car park soon- abandoned!
Personally I think you reaction is quite a way over the top - what have LR actually stated (without ‘get out’ clauses) that makes you think the car is not performing as specified? Just because it doesn’t do what you think it should do isn’t grounds for rejection.
Dashnine said:
Ralf Speth (not Speck) is no longer CEO of JLR.... Perhaps he heard you were coming....
Personally I think you reaction is quite a way over the top - what have LR actually stated (without ‘get out’ clauses) that makes you think the car is not performing as specified? Just because it doesn’t do what you think it should do isn’t grounds for rejection.
Yes Speth - a typo - and he was until September, the exec office email address is unchanged and I have had a response to the email - but thanks for the correction and support?!?! £55K and the responses received so far from JLR - acceptable - I think not!Personally I think you reaction is quite a way over the top - what have LR actually stated (without ‘get out’ clauses) that makes you think the car is not performing as specified? Just because it doesn’t do what you think it should do isn’t grounds for rejection.
And my reaction is not over the top and certainly not 'quite a way' - there is a level of acceptable performance compared to claimed performance - this is NOT acceptable by any stretch of the imagination. My Merc hybrid never did as was claimed but was not to far off, my Volvo never did as claimed but again not far off, my Disco 5 actually does better than claimed, my Disco 4 was OK, my Disco 3 was OK - this one quite simply is not OK.
It has a problem, the biggest of which is getting the car actually looked at - 17mpg is not acceptable no matter how you look at it, especially when a 3.0 V6 can do not far off double driven the same way.
Daveyis said:
Dashnine said:
Ralf Speth (not Speck) is no longer CEO of JLR.... Perhaps he heard you were coming....
Personally I think you reaction is quite a way over the top - what have LR actually stated (without ‘get out’ clauses) that makes you think the car is not performing as specified? Just because it doesn’t do what you think it should do isn’t grounds for rejection.
Yes Speth - a typo - and he was until September, the exec office email address is unchanged and I have had a response to the email - but thanks for the correction and support?!?! £55K and the responses received so far from JLR - acceptable - I think not!Personally I think you reaction is quite a way over the top - what have LR actually stated (without ‘get out’ clauses) that makes you think the car is not performing as specified? Just because it doesn’t do what you think it should do isn’t grounds for rejection.
And my reaction is not over the top and certainly not 'quite a way' - there is a level of acceptable performance compared to claimed performance - this is NOT acceptable by any stretch of the imagination. My Merc hybrid never did as was claimed but was not to far off, my Volvo never did as claimed but again not far off, my Disco 5 actually does better than claimed, my Disco 4 was OK, my Disco 3 was OK - this one quite simply is not OK.
It has a problem, the biggest of which is getting the car actually looked at - 17mpg is not acceptable no matter how you look at it, especially when a 3.0 V6 can do not far off double driven the same way.
The Wookie said:
Dashnine said:
“If” appears to be the crux of it, not sure it is though but difficult to tell...
Well he said it a few posts above, I don’t see why anyone would bother to come on here and lie about it unless he’s trolling Gassing Station | General Gassing | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff