RE: The best luxury cars to buy in 2020
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dinkel said:
That was my point... And cars like:
If there ever was an underestimated car...
Ugly as all sin on the outside, but a beautiful interior. It's an E segment car though (and not really that competitive in that segment) selling against the E-Class, 5 series etc rather than a luxury car. I can't imagine anyone ever cross shopped an XJ, S-Class, 7 series, LS, and FWD 5 pot Lancia Thesis. Same goes for the 300C but with an added dose of "yeuch".If there ever was an underestimated car...
stickleback123 said:
dinkel said:
That was my point... And cars like:
If there ever was an underestimated car...
Ugly as all sin on the outside, but a beautiful interior. It's an E segment car though (and not really that competitive in that segment) selling against the E-Class, 5 series etc rather than a luxury car. I can't imagine anyone ever cross shopped an XJ, S-Class, 7 series, LS, and FWD 5 pot Lancia Thesis. Same goes for the 300C but with an added dose of "yeuch".If there ever was an underestimated car...
article said:
But we're suckers for big engines in big luxury cars, so with this amount of money it would have to be a W221 S65. For the best in executive excess, it's hard to beat. With 6.0-litres...
In the 25k to 35k band I'd much rather go for a BMW 760 F02 facelift. You get something newer and lower mileage so the all important luxury interior will have no signs of age.Oh... wait a minute.... that's exactly what I did a few years ago...! Loved every road-tripping luxury moment in it since.
... I now can't imagine how people make do with less than 12 cyclinders and less than 6 litres... can such weedy unrefined cars even go forward?!
eein said:
article said:
But we're suckers for big engines in big luxury cars, so with this amount of money it would have to be a W221 S65. For the best in executive excess, it's hard to beat. With 6.0-litres...
In the 25k to 35k band I'd much rather go for a BMW 760 F02 facelift. You get something newer and lower mileage so the all important luxury interior will have no signs of age.Oh... wait a minute.... that's exactly what I did a few years ago...! Loved every road-tripping luxury moment in it since.
... I now can't imagine how people make do with less than 12 cyclinders and less than 6 litres... can such weedy unrefined cars even go forward?!
Rumblestripe said:
Triumph Man said:
Was in a 300C taxi once - the interior was very plasticky and had a cheap feel.
The 300C sort of accidentally looks like a Bentley, until you get inside one...TyrannosauRoss Lex said:
eein said:
article said:
But we're suckers for big engines in big luxury cars, so with this amount of money it would have to be a W221 S65. For the best in executive excess, it's hard to beat. With 6.0-litres...
In the 25k to 35k band I'd much rather go for a BMW 760 F02 facelift. You get something newer and lower mileage so the all important luxury interior will have no signs of age.Oh... wait a minute.... that's exactly what I did a few years ago...! Loved every road-tripping luxury moment in it since.
... I now can't imagine how people make do with less than 12 cyclinders and less than 6 litres... can such weedy unrefined cars even go forward?!
There are thousands of posts across this forum of people picking at V12s versus V8s that develop very similar power in the same car (the BMW F01/02 7 series is a good example). Yet the V12 is just no comparison to the similar powered V8s, and those who have drive the V12 know this and those who have not or only drive the V8 just cannot comprehend it.
When I test drove mine I didnt get above 40mph (central London). But that was fine - the perfomance side was a given, but the ability for such a large powerful engine and physically large car to effortlessly waft around busy, tight traffic was something I worried about. V8s are usually too loud and attention grabbing, with low speed power devliery too jerky or non-linear. In the end I didnt need to worry - it was perfect around the backroads of Park Lane. Only the dealer in the passenger seat was worrying when I repeatedly squeezed through gaps with in inch on either wing mirror to irate cabbies.
A Winner Is You said:
Rumblestripe said:
Triumph Man said:
Was in a 300C taxi once - the interior was very plasticky and had a cheap feel.
The 300C sort of accidentally looks like a Bentley, until you get inside one...xandermahony said:
As a socialist I really shouldn't even be reading this, never mind laughing at the concept of proletariat-scattering torque! Well written whoever it was. (y)
Ah, but as a socialist you no doubt recognise that the car that is scattering your fellow proles is being used to transport an illustrious leader who lives by the mantra that ‘All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others’, with a knowing bid and wink to the pigs, courtesy of Animal Farm by George OrwellAfter all, if our wonderful politicians lived by their own mantra they would surely be seen riding around Central London in Sinclair C5’s I stead of polluting the metropolis with their armour-plated limos...
Personally I’d go to the BMW, as having owned one they are ample for most everything I need
A Range Rover is off limits to me as I’ve never experienced a good one either through work or those products I’ve owned, and grown to hate, privately.
The Jaguar makes me think of damp smelling old chaos mixed with a heady aroma of old pencil sharpening sand years old Wurthers, the Mercedes of financial ruin from running costs and potential repair pain, and the Bentley I’m closest to is the place near Doncaster rather than potential ownership of that fine bolide.
In fact, as no one else has said it for ages, doesn’t a VW Polo GTi do the majority of what these do for.... ok, I’ll shut up!
eein said:
article said:
But we're suckers for big engines in big luxury cars, so with this amount of money it would have to be a W221 S65. For the best in executive excess, it's hard to beat. With 6.0-litres...
In the 25k to 35k band I'd much rather go for a BMW 760 F02 facelift. You get something newer and lower mileage so the all important luxury interior will have no signs of age.Oh... wait a minute.... that's exactly what I did a few years ago...! Loved every road-tripping luxury moment in it since.
... I now can't imagine how people make do with less than 12 cyclinders and less than 6 litres... can such weedy unrefined cars even go forward?!
The N74 engine in your F02 760Li is a significantly more sophisticated engine that the Mercedes M275 (DOHC, Direct Injection, VVT) but if it's as bad as keeping it's fluids inside as every other BMW V12 and V8 has been then it could be a painful ownership prospect as it gets older.
Both are fantastic options in any case, and the on paper stats really don't tell you what they have over the V8 models.
ETA this has me looking at the 760Li XDrive models. £50k now for a 3 year old car with 50k on the clock, and 3.7 seconds to 62MPH in a limo. Phwoar.
Edited by anonymous-user on Thursday 22 October 15:18
stickleback123 said:
eein said:
article said:
But we're suckers for big engines in big luxury cars, so with this amount of money it would have to be a W221 S65. For the best in executive excess, it's hard to beat. With 6.0-litres...
In the 25k to 35k band I'd much rather go for a BMW 760 F02 facelift. You get something newer and lower mileage so the all important luxury interior will have no signs of age.Oh... wait a minute.... that's exactly what I did a few years ago...! Loved every road-tripping luxury moment in it since.
... I now can't imagine how people make do with less than 12 cyclinders and less than 6 litres... can such weedy unrefined cars even go forward?!
The N74 engine in your F02 760Li is a significantly more sophisticated engine that the Mercedes M275 (DOHC, Direct Injection, VVT) but if it's as bad as keeping it's fluids inside as every other BMW V12 and V8 has been then it could be a painful ownership prospect as it gets older.
Both are fantastic options in any case, and the on paper stats really don't tell you what they have over the V8 models.
ETA this has me looking at the 760Li XDrive models. £50k now for a 3 year old car with 50k on the clock, and 3.7 seconds to 62MPH in a limo. Phwoar.
Edited by stickleback123 on Thursday 22 October 15:18
Rather pleased to see the W221 S Class thrown into the mix, I would of course say that as I own one. Admittedly the S65 if somewhat more special but of course that bit more expensive to run and in this case buy in comparison.
That said the 3.0 diesel I picked up does probably 90% of what the example mentioned does and was a third of the price. A very lovely place to sit!
That said the 3.0 diesel I picked up does probably 90% of what the example mentioned does and was a third of the price. A very lovely place to sit!
popeyewhite said:
Nah, none of the above. Autotrader offers a Mercedes 4.7 S500 14 plate for £32500. Just as quick and more luxurious than the out of date torque monster S65. (Since when was huge torque a luxury factor? Surely being flung backwards violently in your seat is the opposite of luxury?).
The S500, if you option it up to be like an S600 or S65, is indeed 95% of the car 95% of the time but there really isn't much violent flinging, it's more of a firm squeeze. All the conservatively tuned V12 barges I've owned have been like this, the acceleration is more like the constant and even force of a passenger jet taking off because there are no rapid changes in the rate of acceleration. As others have said the W222 was a big leap into the modern age of screens and stuff over the W221 so will feel a lot more "current" in the cabin, I'd feel a bit shortchanged if I spent £30k+ on a W221.
Also worth mentioning is that the active ABC suspension in the S600/S65/S63 and optional on the S500 is absolute witchcraft; the car stays level during acceleration, cornering, and particularly braking in a way that defies all expectations for such a massive car.
Edited by anonymous-user on Thursday 22 October 15:46
dinkel said:
That was my point... And cars like:
If there ever was an underestimated car...
Not a 7 but not bad either.
Phew, these are glamorous.
Jap S-class.
That's a collection of dog-ugly vehicles right there. Sheesh! I'd love to say 'dated' but they were not even good looking in their time. Ultimately, I think I would always go German for anything older and barge-like. If I was shopping 'old' I'd give the 7 Series a look. If you're gonna have a big Beemer, have a big Beemer! If there ever was an underestimated car...
Not a 7 but not bad either.
Phew, these are glamorous.
Jap S-class.
Surely at the budget end for the best luxury you want to be looking at the French,
1) Citreon C6
2) Peugeot 607
3) Renault Safrane. I throw that in as my dad used to have a top end one with the V6. Drove it when I was 19 and was really impressed by the spec, size, smoothness and comfort (harder to come by nowadays though). Well its always going to next to a K reg Astra saloon
4) Not french but Vauxhall Senator/Omega?
1) Citreon C6
2) Peugeot 607
3) Renault Safrane. I throw that in as my dad used to have a top end one with the V6. Drove it when I was 19 and was really impressed by the spec, size, smoothness and comfort (harder to come by nowadays though). Well its always going to next to a K reg Astra saloon
4) Not french but Vauxhall Senator/Omega?
dukebox9reg said:
Surely at the budget end for the best luxury you want to be looking at the French,
1) Citreon C6
2) Peugeot 607
3) Renault Safrane. I throw that in as my dad used to have a top end one with the V6. Drove it when I was 19 and was really impressed by the spec, size, smoothness and comfort (harder to come by nowadays though). Well its always going to next to a K reg Astra saloon
4) Not french but Vauxhall Senator/Omega?
Was there a sub £1k category I missed? 1) Citreon C6
2) Peugeot 607
3) Renault Safrane. I throw that in as my dad used to have a top end one with the V6. Drove it when I was 19 and was really impressed by the spec, size, smoothness and comfort (harder to come by nowadays though). Well its always going to next to a K reg Astra saloon
4) Not french but Vauxhall Senator/Omega?
stickleback123 said:
dukebox9reg said:
Surely at the budget end for the best luxury you want to be looking at the French,
1) Citreon C6
2) Peugeot 607
3) Renault Safrane. I throw that in as my dad used to have a top end one with the V6. Drove it when I was 19 and was really impressed by the spec, size, smoothness and comfort (harder to come by nowadays though). Well its always going to next to a K reg Astra saloon
4) Not french but Vauxhall Senator/Omega?
Was there a sub £1k category I missed? 1) Citreon C6
2) Peugeot 607
3) Renault Safrane. I throw that in as my dad used to have a top end one with the V6. Drove it when I was 19 and was really impressed by the spec, size, smoothness and comfort (harder to come by nowadays though). Well its always going to next to a K reg Astra saloon
4) Not french but Vauxhall Senator/Omega?
A Winner Is You said:
Rumblestripe said:
Triumph Man said:
Was in a 300C taxi once - the interior was very plasticky and had a cheap feel.
The 300C sort of accidentally looks like a Bentley, until you get inside one...Gassing Station | General Gassing | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff