RE: 942-mile Ford Capri 280 Brooklands for sale
Discussion
tommy1973s said:
Good question - I reckon the time traveller from 87 should go for a 370Z, or a GT86. Nissan better though, as the GT86 isn't crude enough in how it drives.
I was only saying this to my mrs the other day how much I like the character/crudeness of the 370Z. The clutch and gearbox make some right funny/odd noises...and that might annoy/worry some people, but I find that it just adds a little bit of something to the car. I'm a fan of the GT86 as well and I always like seeing them out on the road. s m said:
tommy1973s said:
J4CKO said:
God that looks good, a lot of older cars the proportions look a bit weird and the wheels too close together with over long overhangs but the Capri still looks really well proportioned and despite being not overly fixated on the past and all new cars looking s
t, does make me wonder where it all went a bit wrong seeing that. Its so simple, crisp and purposeful.
Wonder what 34 years later, the original buyers of these would be looking at if transported to 2020 and presented with that 35 grand to buy an equivalent ?
Good question - I reckon the time traveller from 87 should go for a 370Z, or a GT86. Nissan better though, as the GT86 isn't crude enough in how it drives. The Capri was outdated in its day (80s is my era, and I recall the Capri inevitably being slated in reviews of the period), but it always had a hoodlum charm and character. t, does make me wonder where it all went a bit wrong seeing that. Its so simple, crisp and purposeful.Wonder what 34 years later, the original buyers of these would be looking at if transported to 2020 and presented with that 35 grand to buy an equivalent ?
As for the Capri 2.8 being slated in period reviews.... hmm ...no more than something like the E30 M3 which often came off second best to a Sierra in overall verdict
Usual competitor was the Alfa GTV6 and the Capri often got the nod, especially when price was considered
Certainly by 1987 it was an old car but then all the stuff of that ilk was
Had a MK 2 Capri 3.0 Ghia back in the day.
It was white with a black vinyl roof and had a manually winding sunroof. The interior was a black suede/velour type fabric and i had never seen that in one before or after.
What sold me on it at the time apart from the looks was the savage kick down of the automatic box. The car would top out at around 120 mph.
I paid £1800 at the time, a lot of money to me and a big step up from what i had ever borrowed before. It was 3 years old when i bought it.
The V6 engine had a lovely sound at tick over out of the twin exhaust. Going from a 2.0 GXL Cortina it felt like several steps in the car league.
Would i want one now? No, unless it was to sell on for a profit.
It was a good car in its day but compared to a modern car its a dinosaur.
Why Ford do not make a modern version who knows. It would slot nicely in below the current Mustang.
It was white with a black vinyl roof and had a manually winding sunroof. The interior was a black suede/velour type fabric and i had never seen that in one before or after.
What sold me on it at the time apart from the looks was the savage kick down of the automatic box. The car would top out at around 120 mph.
I paid £1800 at the time, a lot of money to me and a big step up from what i had ever borrowed before. It was 3 years old when i bought it.
The V6 engine had a lovely sound at tick over out of the twin exhaust. Going from a 2.0 GXL Cortina it felt like several steps in the car league.
Would i want one now? No, unless it was to sell on for a profit.
It was a good car in its day but compared to a modern car its a dinosaur.
Why Ford do not make a modern version who knows. It would slot nicely in below the current Mustang.
I’ve raised this point before on another thread. There are classic cars of the rarified stratospheric price Ilk such as 250GTO’s, Blower Bentleys etc. Iconic cars built in small numbers with competition history. ‘Never raced or rallied’ doesn’t apply here. They will always be valuable.
And there’s everything else....
What I wonder is has all this stuff peaked? £65k is massive money for a Capri, albeit a unique ‘as new’ example. Ordinary cars built In large numbers which people of a certain age (me included) hold fond memories of. Whether it’s your childhood bedroom wall poster or your mum/dad had one or you even had one yourself early in your motoring career. 205 GTi’s, Golf GTi’s almost any Ford RS, and lots of others command big prices. Fast forward 30 years. A lot of us will be too old to drive/care or even passed on altogether. Will this stuff just become old cars again?not banger money exactly but meaning far less to following generations. In 30 years will the middle agers be salivating over a mint, low mileage, original 2020 Civic Type R instead? This Capri could well outlive all of us, but will it lose its cachet over time?
Still love seeing stuff like this from my mis-spent though!
And there’s everything else....
What I wonder is has all this stuff peaked? £65k is massive money for a Capri, albeit a unique ‘as new’ example. Ordinary cars built In large numbers which people of a certain age (me included) hold fond memories of. Whether it’s your childhood bedroom wall poster or your mum/dad had one or you even had one yourself early in your motoring career. 205 GTi’s, Golf GTi’s almost any Ford RS, and lots of others command big prices. Fast forward 30 years. A lot of us will be too old to drive/care or even passed on altogether. Will this stuff just become old cars again?not banger money exactly but meaning far less to following generations. In 30 years will the middle agers be salivating over a mint, low mileage, original 2020 Civic Type R instead? This Capri could well outlive all of us, but will it lose its cachet over time?
Still love seeing stuff like this from my mis-spent though!
blade7 said:
Gixer968CS said:
P.S. Mate's dad bought the 2.8i after selling an Oselli tuned 3.0S
Back in the mid 80's I read all the hype about the Oselli tuned 3.0S in CCC, took my 3.0 block there for their 3.1 conversion. The Powermax pistons they supplied picked up in the bores shortly afterwards. Rang them to tell them about it, and they said "ours did that too", wkers. As for the 280, it was the slowest 2.8 injection Capri of the lot.I remember it feeling properly quick and was a lovely thing,
It was involved in a accident and the insurance company tried to write it off, but the owner insisted on paying the extra cost involved to get it fixed because he couldn't bare to lose it.
No idea where it is now.
timberman said:
A family friend owned the original Oselli 230s built by Oselli and featured in CCC which was the reason I got my 3.0 capri
I remember it feeling properly quick and was a lovely thing,
It was involved in a accident and the insurance company tried to write it off, but the owner insisted on paying the extra cost involved to get it fixed because he couldn't bare to lose it.
No idea where it is now.
I doubt it made anything like 230 bhp. I rebuilt the engine in my 3.0 , it had big valve heads, swaymar holley, plus other stuff. I had a 200 bhp turbo technics injection capri at the same time. The turbo murdered the 3.0.I remember it feeling properly quick and was a lovely thing,
It was involved in a accident and the insurance company tried to write it off, but the owner insisted on paying the extra cost involved to get it fixed because he couldn't bare to lose it.
No idea where it is now.
Z4 Coupe is smaller/lighter and has a prestige badge, and a smoother I6 engine, so I think it's a slightly less good 'fit' than the 350/370Z.
This doesn't account for the economic cycle, nor the fact that there weren't really any interesting cars launched in the 70s, except for 911s which have already risen in value.
Earl of Petrol said:
What I wonder is has all this stuff peaked?
...
Fast forward 30 years. A lot of us will be too old to drive/care or even passed on altogether. Will this stuff just become old cars again?
...
In 30 years will the middle agers be salivating over a mint, low mileage, original 2020 Civic Type R instead?
The general rule I've heard is that interesting old cars peak in value when the generation that was at their most impressionable age when they were new and exciting, reach the age when they have the most disposable income. I.e. the ten year old boy who pressed up against the glass outside the showroom, reaches 50-60 years of age, and buys the car he remembers from his youth. So the time gap is 40-50 years, i.e. cars from the Seventies 'should' be peaking about now....
Fast forward 30 years. A lot of us will be too old to drive/care or even passed on altogether. Will this stuff just become old cars again?
...
In 30 years will the middle agers be salivating over a mint, low mileage, original 2020 Civic Type R instead?
This doesn't account for the economic cycle, nor the fact that there weren't really any interesting cars launched in the 70s, except for 911s which have already risen in value.
samoht said:
Z4 Coupe is smaller/lighter and has a prestige badge, and a smoother I6 engine, so I think it's a slightly less good 'fit' than the 350/370Z.
This doesn't account for the economic cycle, nor the fact that there weren't really any interesting cars launched in the 70s, except for 911s which have already risen in value.
I think you’re probably right on the timelines Earl of Petrol said:
What I wonder is has all this stuff peaked?
...
Fast forward 30 years. A lot of us will be too old to drive/care or even passed on altogether. Will this stuff just become old cars again?
...
In 30 years will the middle agers be salivating over a mint, low mileage, original 2020 Civic Type R instead?
The general rule I've heard is that interesting old cars peak in value when the generation that was at their most impressionable age when they were new and exciting, reach the age when they have the most disposable income. I.e. the ten year old boy who pressed up against the glass outside the showroom, reaches 50-60 years of age, and buys the car he remembers from his youth. So the time gap is 40-50 years, i.e. cars from the Seventies 'should' be peaking about now....
Fast forward 30 years. A lot of us will be too old to drive/care or even passed on altogether. Will this stuff just become old cars again?
...
In 30 years will the middle agers be salivating over a mint, low mileage, original 2020 Civic Type R instead?
This doesn't account for the economic cycle, nor the fact that there weren't really any interesting cars launched in the 70s, except for 911s which have already risen in value.
The 70s were the main times for the hotted up rwd Escorts ( ok they started in the late 60s ) and they’re certainly one of the cars that gets current youngsters in a froth over the pricing
blade7 said:
I doubt it made anything like 230 bhp. I rebuilt the engine in my 3.0 , it had big valve heads, swaymar holley, plus other stuff. I had a 200 bhp turbo technics injection capri at the same time. The turbo murdered the 3.0.
Lot more torque in the turbo car I guess - even if the wheel horsepower was similar?samoht said:
The general rule I've heard is that interesting old cars peak in value when the generation that was at their most impressionable age when they were new and exciting, reach the age when they have the most disposable income. I.e. the ten year old boy who pressed up against the glass outside the showroom, reaches 50-60 years of age, and buys the car he remembers from his youth. So the time gap is 40-50 years, i.e. cars from the Seventies 'should' be peaking about now.
This doesn't account for the economic cycle, nor the fact that there weren't really any interesting cars launched in the 70s, except for 911s which have already risen in value.
I agree with your first para, except that I would suggest that the age band is more like 40-60.This doesn't account for the economic cycle, nor the fact that there weren't really any interesting cars launched in the 70s, except for 911s which have already risen in value.
But I do disagree with your second para - while I would support the idea that ‘peak car’ was c1983-1992, it is nonsense to say that the 911 was the only interesting car launched in the 1970s - how about Golf Mk1, Golf GTI, Alfasud, Ferrari 308 GTB, Triumph Dolomite Sprint, Alfetta, Mercedes W123, Lotus Esprit, and I could go on.
The Capri was a terrible car though - think my late father summed it up best when he had one as a hire car: “a Mk3 Cortina without springs”.
blade7 said:
timberman said:
A family friend owned the original Oselli 230s built by Oselli and featured in CCC which was the reason I got my 3.0 capri
I remember it feeling properly quick and was a lovely thing,
It was involved in a accident and the insurance company tried to write it off, but the owner insisted on paying the extra cost involved to get it fixed because he couldn't bare to lose it.
No idea where it is now.
I doubt it made anything like 230 bhp. I rebuilt the engine in my 3.0 , it had big valve heads, swaymar holley, plus other stuff. I had a 200 bhp turbo technics injection capri at the same time. The turbo murdered the 3.0.I remember it feeling properly quick and was a lovely thing,
It was involved in a accident and the insurance company tried to write it off, but the owner insisted on paying the extra cost involved to get it fixed because he couldn't bare to lose it.
No idea where it is now.
as I recall it wasn't just a case of adding a few bits, the engine was bored out to 3.1 and a lot of changes made to achieve the results they wanted.
I know Oselli were well regarded tuners, so would like to think they knew what they were doing and have no reason to doubt their figures.
Car_Nut said:
I agree with your first para, except that I would suggest that the age band is more like 40-60.
But I do disagree with your second para - while I would support the idea that ‘peak car’ was c1983-1992, it is nonsense to say that the 911 was the only interesting car launched in the 1970s - how about Golf Mk1, Golf GTI, Alfasud, Ferrari 308 GTB, Triumph Dolomite Sprint, Alfetta, Mercedes W123, Lotus Esprit, and I could go on.
Yeah, makes sense that the 'peak disposable income' period is quite spread out as will differ for different people, and certainly quite a bit of 80s-90s stuff has gone up substantially.But I do disagree with your second para - while I would support the idea that ‘peak car’ was c1983-1992, it is nonsense to say that the 911 was the only interesting car launched in the 1970s - how about Golf Mk1, Golf GTI, Alfasud, Ferrari 308 GTB, Triumph Dolomite Sprint, Alfetta, Mercedes W123, Lotus Esprit, and I could go on.
Fair enough on the Seventies, I think it may be just my personal prejudice. I can appreciate the significance and merit of all the cars you mention, although to me the Esprit is the only one that I can imagine really wanting.
J4CKO said:
swisstoni said:
Car_Nut said:
The Capri was a terrible car though - think my late father summed it up best when he had one as a hire car: “a Mk3 Cortina without springs”.
Nonsense.When I bought my Golf GTI in 1984, a Capri was never on the list of possible cars - saw it as a ghastly bit of old tat based on Stone Age technology, intended for people who knew nothing about cars. Awful when it came out, a total joke by the 1980s, and awful today.
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