RE: 2021 BMW M440i xDrive | UK Review
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RonaldMcDonaldAteMyCat said:
Never noticed it in the 140. M3 was DCT so sharp all the time irrespective.
Never have that problem neither. But then, always love the m140i split personality. Leave it to do it’s stuff in auto or drive it in sport or manual. Gearbox suits me, it’s a joy. Don’t like the new M135i, and do like the M2, except for the lack of adaptive suspension. That’s a miss.Kawasicki said:
PH said:
the steering doesn’t offer much in the way of feel
I‘m confused. I’ve driven a few of these new 3 series, and not since the E30 has there been a 3 series with so little steering feel. Way less than the competition, but it still turns out to be a great driver’s car.Clearly steering feel isn’t that important.
For the 440i does anyone have more info on the mild hybrid - does it add a little power off the line and give some minor torque fill?
ratty6464 said:
I’ve got an m340i and the steering is by far the weakest link. It’s totally lacking in feel. If Porsche can make decent electric steering I don’t know why Bmw cant.
For the 440i does anyone have more info on the mild hybrid - does it add a little power off the line and give some minor torque fill?
11hpFor the 440i does anyone have more info on the mild hybrid - does it add a little power off the line and give some minor torque fill?
DonkeyApple said:
Limpet said:
DonkeyApple said:
I’ve the estate version and sitting at a similar conclusion off the back of the article. The main gripe that I have is that every time you come down to 15mph the car’s tiny brain reveals itself to be no better than the office idiot who just can’t work basic stuff out and just needs to be left in the corner doing the same task, it cannot get its head around the fact that you might not be coming to halt but about to drive off and that having some power to do so rather than being left hanging while it’s litrle brain struggles to cope with reality outside a nerd’s laboratory.
In Sport / Sport + as well as Comfort modes? My M140i used to do this, but only in Comfort mode.Very annoying when slowing as you approach a roundabout, and a gap appears that you want to slot into, or if a red light you're approaching turns green before you come to a halt. You squeeze the throttle to accelerate again, and absolutely nothing happens for a good second or so. And then because you've inevitably pushed harder than you meant to due to the complete lack of response, you get more than you want or need when it does finally get its act together.
It was consistent and repeatable in Comfort, but the Sport modes seemed to fix it.
Edited by Limpet on Saturday 24th October 18:38
Ultimately the big problem with many modern cars is that they are thick as s
t but think they are super smart. They are like that office bellend that someone hired and no one can fire because they never actually do anything specifically wrong but they hinder everything they are involved in because they have no idea that they are the thickest person in the room, not the smartest. My BMW manifestly has Dunning Kruger and I would just be so happy if the stupid f
k would just do what it was asked to do, when it was asked to do it and nothing more. 
nicfaz said:
I hesitate to say it on a BMW thread, but this is the kind of thing I absolutely hate, and why I like my Tesla so much. It has a well calibrated accelerator pedal and however much you as for, it gives. Instantly. Also, it's got a lot more power and torque than the 440i for less money (if you spec them the same), so it has more to give in the first place.
You have to have somewhere to charge it through, to get the best experience, so not for everyone.
But you have to our up with even worse looks, an awful interior, worst seats and build quality...You have to have somewhere to charge it through, to get the best experience, so not for everyone.
Edited by Court_S on Sunday 25th October 21:37
£54k?
Everyone and company bosses are all pulling their belts in right now letting people go and others are going bust because of the current situation.
Many are handing back their lease cars early.
A mate of mine who works in sales for BMW states things are dire right now so I doubt very much these will be flying out of dealerships at £53k !
I’d rather save the cash and buy a nice used M4 Comp even though it’s old tech or look towards an A45S used circa £40-£45 in the next year.
Everyone and company bosses are all pulling their belts in right now letting people go and others are going bust because of the current situation.
Many are handing back their lease cars early.
A mate of mine who works in sales for BMW states things are dire right now so I doubt very much these will be flying out of dealerships at £53k !
I’d rather save the cash and buy a nice used M4 Comp even though it’s old tech or look towards an A45S used circa £40-£45 in the next year.
Court_S said:
But you have to our up with even worse looks, an awful interior, worst seats and build quality...
Except most of that is not true.Edited by Court_S on Sunday 25th October 21:37
"Worse looks" - than this beaver? Should've gone to specsavers
"An awful interior". It really isn't. You have to get on with the super-minimal aesthetic, but once you are past that the interior is a nice place to be.
"worst seats". They feel good and are very comfy. If I was to criticise them, they lack lateral support and whilst I haven't tracked it, I imagine you'd be hanging on too much.
"build quality" on this you do have a point - the quality control process isn't what it should be and too many cars leave the factory with niggles. Mine had two bits of interior fabric that were substandard and Tesla replaced them under warranty without fuss. However, electric cars are inherently more reliable than modern ICE cars because of the economy and air quality hoops ICE now has to jump through - extra filters and economy fuel maps. It's too early to tell, but I would expect the Tesla to have more niggles than the BMW but the BMW to have more serious (i.e. left stranded) problems per 10k vehicles.
I've had a look at the new 4 at my local dealer.
It looks much better in the metal, the grille is really a non issue when you are close up to the car as the front is quite low.
To me it looks better with silver wheels than the black on the M440i that I saw. The shoulder line is weaker than the previous generation, but in the right colour and spec, it'll look okay.
Too expensive though, which the dealer acknowledged too. Prices and discounts will soften - they always do.
It looks much better in the metal, the grille is really a non issue when you are close up to the car as the front is quite low.
To me it looks better with silver wheels than the black on the M440i that I saw. The shoulder line is weaker than the previous generation, but in the right colour and spec, it'll look okay.
Too expensive though, which the dealer acknowledged too. Prices and discounts will soften - they always do.
nicfaz said:
Court_S said:
But you have to our up with even worse looks, an awful interior, worst seats and build quality...
Except most of that is not true.Edited by Court_S on Sunday 25th October 21:37
"Worse looks" - than this beaver? Should've gone to specsavers
"An awful interior". It really isn't. You have to get on with the super-minimal aesthetic, but once you are past that the interior is a nice place to be.
"worst seats". They feel good and are very comfy. If I was to criticise them, they lack lateral support and whilst I haven't tracked it, I imagine you'd be hanging on too much.
"build quality" on this you do have a point - the quality control process isn't what it should be and too many cars leave the factory with niggles. Mine had two bits of interior fabric that were substandard and Tesla replaced them under warranty without fuss. However, electric cars are inherently more reliable than modern ICE cars because of the economy and air quality hoops ICE now has to jump through - extra filters and economy fuel maps. It's too early to tell, but I would expect the Tesla to have more niggles than the BMW but the BMW to have more serious (i.e. left stranded) problems per 10k vehicles.
I'm really not a fan of the ultra minimalist interior controlled by one giant touchscreen nor does it seem sensible to not have a speedo readout directly in front of you (main complaint of the fanboy I work wirh).
I think the seats are too soft and lack support. Plus their vegan leather feels cheap and not very sturdy. Compared to BMW Sport seats they're lacking.
My colleagues driver side doors don't sit flush when they're closed. But I agree that there's less fundamental pieces of tech to go pop.
Court_S said:
nicfaz said:
Court_S said:
But you have to our up with even worse looks, an awful interior, worst seats and build quality...
Except most of that is not true.Edited by Court_S on Sunday 25th October 21:37
"Worse looks" - than this beaver? Should've gone to specsavers
"An awful interior". It really isn't. You have to get on with the super-minimal aesthetic, but once you are past that the interior is a nice place to be.
"worst seats". They feel good and are very comfy. If I was to criticise them, they lack lateral support and whilst I haven't tracked it, I imagine you'd be hanging on too much.
"build quality" on this you do have a point - the quality control process isn't what it should be and too many cars leave the factory with niggles. Mine had two bits of interior fabric that were substandard and Tesla replaced them under warranty without fuss. However, electric cars are inherently more reliable than modern ICE cars because of the economy and air quality hoops ICE now has to jump through - extra filters and economy fuel maps. It's too early to tell, but I would expect the Tesla to have more niggles than the BMW but the BMW to have more serious (i.e. left stranded) problems per 10k vehicles.
I'm really not a fan of the ultra minimalist interior controlled by one giant touchscreen nor does it seem sensible to not have a speedo readout directly in front of you (main complaint of the fanboy I work wirh).
I think the seats are too soft and lack support. Plus their vegan leather feels cheap and not very sturdy. Compared to BMW Sport seats they're lacking.
My colleagues driver side doors don't sit flush when they're closed. But I agree that there's less fundamental pieces of tech to go pop.
The speed readout is an odd one - I thought I would be bothered, but was used to looking diagonally rather than down within 10 minutes of the drive home and haven't noticed it since. It's not far from your eyeline (only very marginally further than normal) and is a big, easy to read font.
On seats, don't agree that the vegan leather feels cheap but do agree at the lack of support. I'm torn - I can kind've see that we shouldn't be putting dead cow parts in cars in 2020, but miss the designo leather seats in my AMG...
On QC I think we are agreed.
If you think how decent looking (for this type of car) the original 4 Series was/is and to follow ot up with this, a massive misstep for BMW. I would be very surprised if this proves as popular. You can say about the 1 Series, but all that does is loom like a new Focus now, so it's still going to sell. This though is on another level of WTF.
Argleton said:
If you think how decent looking (for this type of car) the original 4 Series was/is and to follow ot up with this, a massive misstep for BMW. I would be very surprised if this proves as popular. You can say about the 1 Series, but all that does is loom like a new Focus now, so it's still going to sell. This though is on another level of WTF.
I think it looks great. Isn't this totally subjective anyway?It isnt really a looker, but no doubting its performance, CarWow managed like 3.8 seconds to sixty, few of the standard B58 modifications and that could be 450 bhp or more, with, unlike an M140i, some change of deploying it.
Still, good car but despite being fast, have no urge to get one, or another modern BMW.
Still, good car but despite being fast, have no urge to get one, or another modern BMW.
I was at the same launch event last week, and as good as the M440i is, the biggest surprise for me was the boggo 420i with M Sport Plus pack. It not only looked fantastic - indistinguishable from the M440i to most people - it was also a really sweet thing to drive. Okay the performance won't set the world alight, but it was quick enough as was just very accomplished. Given that it and the 420d will be the big sellers, I think BMW has scored a maasterstroke with this 4er. And honestly, you barely even notice the grille in person.
Another previous F32 440i owner but I had the MPPSK so mild OEM tune (360hp) and nice M Performance exhaust (pre-OPF).
The car looks odd to me, not he grill which I am slowly becoming accustomed too, but the 'tiny' wheels and very bland and almost ugly rear 3/4 without the hoffmeister kink. The car looks epic from the rear, but lost from the side.
I am not sure how or why this car has the M 'lite' badging - what's so different to the F32 440i with MPPSK? In fact the MPPSK makes the F32 sound 10x better but I concede the OPF causes that issue.
I know a dealer that has the new 440i up for £67k! Ok ok, so no-one will ever pay list for a BMW, but £67k!!!!!
This car desperately needs 20" alloys, so that's going to be anther £3.5k for some M performance wheels too.
The 48v battery and the xdrive system are adding some serious weight. The battery is ONLY there to reduce BMW CO2 emissions and there is no performance advantage so a complete waste of time to the consumer.
For me, I'll hold on to my X3M and await the new M3 Touring in 2 years with some mega Q4 2022 discounts
The car looks odd to me, not he grill which I am slowly becoming accustomed too, but the 'tiny' wheels and very bland and almost ugly rear 3/4 without the hoffmeister kink. The car looks epic from the rear, but lost from the side.
I am not sure how or why this car has the M 'lite' badging - what's so different to the F32 440i with MPPSK? In fact the MPPSK makes the F32 sound 10x better but I concede the OPF causes that issue.
I know a dealer that has the new 440i up for £67k! Ok ok, so no-one will ever pay list for a BMW, but £67k!!!!!
This car desperately needs 20" alloys, so that's going to be anther £3.5k for some M performance wheels too.
The 48v battery and the xdrive system are adding some serious weight. The battery is ONLY there to reduce BMW CO2 emissions and there is no performance advantage so a complete waste of time to the consumer.
For me, I'll hold on to my X3M and await the new M3 Touring in 2 years with some mega Q4 2022 discounts
"While the grilles on its nose will probably remain divisive forevermore"
In order for something to be divisive it needs to have people on two opposing sides whereas I think we can all agree that the new grille is unanimously fugly*.
In order for something to be divisive it needs to have people on two opposing sides whereas I think we can all agree that the new grille is unanimously fugly*.
- There will be always be a few that say they "like it" but these people just like to be contrarian and are probably hipsters that listen to modern music on vinyl and drink avocado tea.
It bothers me more that a design like this got signed off at Bmw these days.
When I say a design like this I mean if you cover the roundel badges up it could
pass for the latest Hyundai coupe.
Hate the new G series door hand architecture with the huge cut out recess.
C pillar window treatment with the kick up in the window line just makes the rear
wings look huge (and yes I was looking at one in the flesh at the dealership)
Rear end looks super generic.
Slab side profile makes even 18 inch wheels look tiny.
It's a no from me, I'll stick to my E and F series cars thank you !
When I say a design like this I mean if you cover the roundel badges up it could
pass for the latest Hyundai coupe.
Hate the new G series door hand architecture with the huge cut out recess.
C pillar window treatment with the kick up in the window line just makes the rear
wings look huge (and yes I was looking at one in the flesh at the dealership)
Rear end looks super generic.
Slab side profile makes even 18 inch wheels look tiny.
It's a no from me, I'll stick to my E and F series cars thank you !
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