SSC Tuatara Top Speed run apparently faked?

SSC Tuatara Top Speed run apparently faked?

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SantaBarbarian

38 posts

43 months

Saturday 31st October 2020
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Jerod Shelby' statement, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BrclO1wG2Y8. He's gonna rerun it, has invited Shmee, Misha, and Robert to attend, and he wants DMO to drive, without a seatbelt.

honda_exige

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6,030 posts

207 months

Saturday 31st October 2020
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SantaBarbarian said:
Jerod Shelby' statement, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BrclO1wG2Y8. He's gonna rerun it, has invited Shmee, Misha, and Robert to attend, and he wants DMO to drive, without a seatbelt.
It's a good statement. BUT still no explanation over why the raw footage can't be released.

Oh well, the next run is going to be hugely anticipated and IF it does it will probably end up being the most reported record of all time. IF.

harrylee1

20 posts

43 months

Saturday 31st October 2020
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All Jerod Shelby had to say is: "sorry we got caught, let us try again, ok?"

But no, he's still claiming the car hit 331mph... but they don't have any footage of it.

He basically went from saying all the GPS data is 100% accurate and all verified by Dewetron to "we immediately knew there was something wrong with the GPS data when we first saw the video".

Condi

17,234 posts

172 months

Saturday 31st October 2020
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honda_exige said:
IF it does it will probably end up being the most reported record of all time. IF.
Somewhat unlikely.

DonBarracuda

394 posts

43 months

Saturday 31st October 2020
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Robert Mitchell responds - https://youtu.be/eEB-X4MEsjs
This guy could start moonlighting as a detective, sound frequency analysis!? wow

maz8062

2,248 posts

216 months

Saturday 31st October 2020
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DonBarracuda said:
Robert Mitchell responds - https://youtu.be/eEB-X4MEsjs
This guy could start moonlighting as a detective, sound frequency analysis!? wow
I like Robert Mitchell’s channel, but it’s starting to appear like a witch hunt. SSC have admitted the balls up and plan on re-running the attempt.

Best to leave it now and move on.

whatleytom

1,306 posts

184 months

Saturday 31st October 2020
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It's not really a balls up though is it. Claiming to be running a final drive that is capable of 331mph, but having been proven not to through various means. It's just a complete fabrication, somehow they seem to have come out of it ok, and have just bailed by saying they'll run again. Just hope the standard tyres which are clearly not up to the job of that sort of speed hold up, and there isn't an accident.

honda_exige

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207 months

Saturday 31st October 2020
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whatleytom said:
It's not really a balls up though is it. Claiming to be running a final drive that is capable of 331mph, but having been proven not to through various means. It's just a complete fabrication, somehow they seem to have come out of it ok, and have just bailed by saying they'll run again. Just hope the standard tyres which are clearly not up to the job of that sort of speed hold up, and there isn't an accident.
Doubt Webb will want to be associated with the inevitable failure coming. Wonder which mug they'll get.

harrylee1

20 posts

43 months

Saturday 31st October 2020
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maz8062 said:
DonBarracuda said:
Robert Mitchell responds - https://youtu.be/eEB-X4MEsjs
This guy could start moonlighting as a detective, sound frequency analysis!? wow
I like Robert Mitchell’s channel, but it’s starting to appear like a witch hunt. SSC have admitted the balls up and plan on re-running the attempt.

Best to leave it now and move on.
No the didn't admit anything. He still thinks he broke the record because the GPS read 311mph. That's the funny thing. He's just saying he'll run because he has no other way out now.

Someone on Instagram is willing to pay the Nevada Department of Transportation to close the road down if SSC agree to rerun by the end of 2020. The reasoning is because people think that Jerod Shelby will cheat and change the car to hit the speeds he claims it hit.

Edited by harrylee1 on Saturday 31st October 22:56

DonBarracuda

394 posts

43 months

Saturday 31st October 2020
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harrylee1 said:
No the didn't admit anything. He still thinks he broke the record because the GPS read 311mph. That's the funny thing. He's just saying he'll run because he has no other way out now.

Someone on Instagram is willing to pay the Nevada Department of Transportation to close the road down if SSC agree to rerun by the end of 2020. The reasoning is because people think that Jerod Shelby will cheat and change the car to hit the speeds he claims it hit.

Edited by harrylee1 on Saturday 31st October 22:56
I have to agree with them, he'll use this time to develop what will pretty much be a new car. People on the inside will talk. I really don't think there will be any run.

New vid from Shmee https://youtu.be/nPXXGTuQKbk

f1nn

2,693 posts

193 months

Saturday 31st October 2020
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Is anyone else finding the reaction to this tiresome?

SSC have committed to re running the car to confirm what they believe was achieved last time.

It either will, or it won’t.

The three stooges are should star in a remake of Poirot...analysing the engine noise indeed...get a fking life.

DonBarracuda

394 posts

43 months

Saturday 31st October 2020
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f1nn said:
Is anyone else finding the reaction to this tiresome?

SSC have committed to re running the car to confirm what they believe was achieved last time.

It either will, or it won’t.

The three stooges are should star in a remake of Poirot...analysing the engine noise indeed...get a fking life.
What else is there to do during lockdowns?

Neil H

15,323 posts

252 months

Sunday 1st November 2020
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f1nn said:
Is anyone else finding the reaction to this tiresome?

SSC have committed to re running the car to confirm what they believe was achieved last time.

It either will, or it won’t.

The three stooges are should star in a remake of Poirot...analysing the engine noise indeed...get a fking life.
On the other hand, we have a company that has claimed to break a world record and provided extremely shoddy excuses at best - at worst, outright lies - and that's a big deal if you make a living reporting on cars. This is being driven by SSCs lack of adequate explanations for what happened, because it's all been a bit 'dog ate my homework' so far. They can't just be let off the hook with "oh sorry about that, we'll run it again".

Hazmat1

233 posts

99 months

Sunday 1st November 2020
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f1nn said:
Is anyone else finding the reaction to this tiresome?

SSC have committed to re running the car to confirm what they believe was achieved last time.

It either will, or it won’t.

The three stooges are should star in a remake of Poirot...analysing the engine noise indeed...get a fking life.
Given Shmee walked off in a huff over public criticism he sure doesn’t mind dishing it out..

ChocolateFrog

25,495 posts

174 months

Sunday 1st November 2020
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Hazmat1 said:
f1nn said:
Is anyone else finding the reaction to this tiresome?

SSC have committed to re running the car to confirm what they believe was achieved last time.

It either will, or it won’t.

The three stooges are should star in a remake of Poirot...analysing the engine noise indeed...get a fking life.
Given Shmee walked off in a huff over public criticism he sure doesn’t mind dishing it out..
The fact Shmee is somehow connected to the whole thing makes it even funnier somehow.

egomeister

6,703 posts

264 months

Sunday 1st November 2020
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Steven_RW said:
I understand the perspective but there are risks every time you go for the limit and no brand wants to be associated with the fallout of a major crash and a dead test pilot. So achieving your aim with the minimum attempts has to be desirable. The idea of plucking up tbe courage again probably isn't that attractive in terms of risk. Though I do agree it needs to be done if they want a validated record.
Very true. Crashing at 300mph is pretty much certain death - it's not something I'd want to risk once, let alone having to repeat it because no-one thought to verify things accurately!

Watching the cockpit video of the run scares the crap out of me. There is so little structure to protect the driver, and I suspect limited development and testing (both structurally and aerodyamically). Compare this to something like a Le Mans Prototype which "only" has a top speed of ~350kph and itself probably wouldn't stand a chance at 300mph.

honda_exige

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6,030 posts

207 months

Sunday 1st November 2020
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egomeister said:
Very true. Crashing at 300mph is pretty much certain death - it's not something I'd want to risk once, let alone having to repeat it because no-one thought to verify things accurately!

Watching the cockpit video of the run scares the crap out of me. There is so little structure to protect the driver, and I suspect limited development and testing (both structurally and aerodyamically). Compare this to something like a Le Mans Prototype which "only" has a top speed of ~350kph and itself probably wouldn't stand a chance at 300mph.
You can argue its pointless since 300 is almost certain death, but I was suprised to see no roll cage in there. But on the other hand Richard Hammond crashed at 319mph and the rollcage saved his life....

honda_exige

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Sunday 1st November 2020
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f1nn said:
Is anyone else finding the reaction to this tiresome?

SSC have committed to re running the car to confirm what they believe was achieved last time.

It either will, or it won’t.

The three stooges are should star in a remake of Poirot...analysing the engine noise indeed...get a fking life.
rolleyes This is LITERALLY their job and it's interesting from a science PoV. If you have no appreciation of scientific analysis then fine go watch DMO and his Wrench Sauce hehe

anonymous-user

55 months

Sunday 1st November 2020
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isn't it possible to run it on a rolling road to give an idea of top speed?

Edited by anonymous-user on Sunday 1st November 20:53

egomeister

6,703 posts

264 months

Sunday 1st November 2020
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honda_exige said:
egomeister said:
Very true. Crashing at 300mph is pretty much certain death - it's not something I'd want to risk once, let alone having to repeat it because no-one thought to verify things accurately!

Watching the cockpit video of the run scares the crap out of me. There is so little structure to protect the driver, and I suspect limited development and testing (both structurally and aerodyamically). Compare this to something like a Le Mans Prototype which "only" has a top speed of ~350kph and itself probably wouldn't stand a chance at 300mph.
You can argue its pointless since 300 is almost certain death, but I was suprised to see no roll cage in there. But on the other hand Richard Hammond crashed at 319mph and the rollcage saved his life....
A rollover structure doesn't have to be a distinct metallic frame. The LMP example I made is a composite structure only, but much more substantial looking than the SSC despite the much lower top speeds (and therefore energy to dissipate). Compare the photos below to what you can see on the onboard video of the top speed run:




The Hammond dragster is a bit of a different situation in that there is a clear safety cell designed for the kind of speeds the car is likely to achieve. Compare it to rollcages on something like a BTCC car and it is obviously far more substantial (as you'd expect)