Cycling two abreast....agree or not?
Discussion
Rozzers said:
If you are in the UK, they are largely useless, unswept, beset by runners wearing headphones, dogs on 20ft leads and then you have to cross the main carriageway at every junction, so if you are over 12 years old most are more dangerous and so awkward to use that cycling is not viable.
Motor vehicles have exclusive use of motorways, but aren’t obliged to over other roads.
Competent drivers can easily deal safely with the average group of cyclists with virtually no delay, caravans are worse, at least you can see round cyclists.
The one I’m referring to is perfectly OK and I regularly use it myself. But as you say, they’re for kids. “proper” cyclists would rather die than use a cycle path, which unfortunately done do.Motor vehicles have exclusive use of motorways, but aren’t obliged to over other roads.
Competent drivers can easily deal safely with the average group of cyclists with virtually no delay, caravans are worse, at least you can see round cyclists.
will_ said:
If you mean Priory Lane, then I'm afraid you are wrong on every count.
And it's a 20mph road - realistically most of the cyclists heading to the park won't be doing much less than that.
And "parasites"....nice.
‘Much less than that’, Just about sums up the entitled arrogant thinking of these obnoxious arrogant cyclists. And it's a 20mph road - realistically most of the cyclists heading to the park won't be doing much less than that.
And "parasites"....nice.
They’re only holding cars up a little bit so they can guffaw and shout at each other, plus they’re practically enforcing the speed limit too against those nasty car owners who might dare to drive at 21mph. Of course the cyclists have no idea whether they are actually adhering to the speed limit that they are helping to enforce.
That cycle lane is perfectly good enough and was put in place at expense for their use bit of course, you know best don’t you. Bit dusty is it? It is you who is wrong on every count. You remind me of that spoiled child who was given a truck for his birthday but it wasn’t good enough so he smashed it up instead. Get a grip. Watch this and change your life.
https://youtu.be/9s8XilZa2WY
anonymous said:
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It's no laughing matter if you're driving without awareness of basic Highway Code rules. I agree with frisbee - you need some more driver training, or at the very least sit down and read a copy of the Highway Code.You should be giving a bicycle as much room as a car. On virtually all roads that will involve moving most of your car "into opposing traffic", and again on most roads this will block the flow of traffic coming towards you. So, in other words, you need to wait for a gap in oncoming traffic to pass a bike, just as you would have to passing a car. My point earlier was that on most roads, because of the way this works, it won't make a difference if you're passing one or two bikes, because you have to wait for a gap regardless.
Falconer said:
Rozzers said:
If you are in the UK, they are largely useless, unswept, beset by runners wearing headphones, dogs on 20ft leads and then you have to cross the main carriageway at every junction, so if you are over 12 years old most are more dangerous and so awkward to use that cycling is not viable.
Motor vehicles have exclusive use of motorways, but aren’t obliged to over other roads.
Competent drivers can easily deal safely with the average group of cyclists with virtually no delay, caravans are worse, at least you can see round cyclists.
The one I’m referring to is perfectly OK and I regularly use it myself. But as you say, they’re for kids. “proper” cyclists would rather die than use a cycle path, which unfortunately done do.Motor vehicles have exclusive use of motorways, but aren’t obliged to over other roads.
Competent drivers can easily deal safely with the average group of cyclists with virtually no delay, caravans are worse, at least you can see round cyclists.
Going uphill, they typically find it is easier and better to use the cycle lane.
jakesmith said:
will_ said:
If you mean Priory Lane, then I'm afraid you are wrong on every count.
And it's a 20mph road - realistically most of the cyclists heading to the park won't be doing much less than that.
And "parasites"....nice.
‘Much less than that’, Just about sums up the entitled arrogant thinking of these obnoxious arrogant cyclists. And it's a 20mph road - realistically most of the cyclists heading to the park won't be doing much less than that.
And "parasites"....nice.
They’re only holding cars up a little bit so they can guffaw and shout at each other, plus they’re practically enforcing the speed limit too against those nasty car owners who might dare to drive at 21mph. Of course the cyclists have no idea whether they are actually adhering to the speed limit that they are helping to enforce.
That cycle lane is perfectly good enough and was put in place at expense for their use bit of course, you know best don’t you. Bit dusty is it? It is you who is wrong on every count. You remind me of that spoiled child who was given a truck for his birthday but it wasn’t good enough so he smashed it up instead. Get a grip. Watch this and change your life.
https://youtu.be/9s8XilZa2WY
Momentarily slowing to 20mph shouldn't actually be a big deal. You should be doing that regularly anyway when you see an unstable pensioner waiting at a level crossing, a toddler running along the pavement, or an animal at the side of the road. Speed limits are not a target, they're a limit.
Regarding cycle lanes, 'dust' is not the issue. Roads regularly get broken glass, sharp rocks, rubbish etc thrown to their edges, and these are unsafe to cycle on. Again, as per the Highway Code, all road users (yes, even you) will occasionally have to deviate to go round things and stay safe, and you should be accounting for this in your driving.
RobM77 said:
jakesmith said:
will_ said:
If you mean Priory Lane, then I'm afraid you are wrong on every count.
And it's a 20mph road - realistically most of the cyclists heading to the park won't be doing much less than that.
And "parasites"....nice.
‘Much less than that’, Just about sums up the entitled arrogant thinking of these obnoxious arrogant cyclists. And it's a 20mph road - realistically most of the cyclists heading to the park won't be doing much less than that.
And "parasites"....nice.
They’re only holding cars up a little bit so they can guffaw and shout at each other, plus they’re practically enforcing the speed limit too against those nasty car owners who might dare to drive at 21mph. Of course the cyclists have no idea whether they are actually adhering to the speed limit that they are helping to enforce.
That cycle lane is perfectly good enough and was put in place at expense for their use bit of course, you know best don’t you. Bit dusty is it? It is you who is wrong on every count. You remind me of that spoiled child who was given a truck for his birthday but it wasn’t good enough so he smashed it up instead. Get a grip. Watch this and change your life.
https://youtu.be/9s8XilZa2WY
Momentarily slowing to 20mph shouldn't actually be a big deal. You should be doing that regularly anyway when you see an unstable pensioner waiting at a level crossing, a toddler running along the pavement, or an animal at the side of the road. Speed limits are not a target, they're a limit.
Regarding cycle lanes, 'dust' is not the issue. Roads regularly get broken glass, sharp rocks, rubbish etc thrown to their edges, and these are unsafe to cycle on. Again, as per the Highway Code, all road users (yes, even you) will occasionally have to deviate to go round things and stay safe, and you should be accounting for this in your driving.
jakesmith said:
RobM77 said:
jakesmith said:
will_ said:
If you mean Priory Lane, then I'm afraid you are wrong on every count.
And it's a 20mph road - realistically most of the cyclists heading to the park won't be doing much less than that.
And "parasites"....nice.
‘Much less than that’, Just about sums up the entitled arrogant thinking of these obnoxious arrogant cyclists. And it's a 20mph road - realistically most of the cyclists heading to the park won't be doing much less than that.
And "parasites"....nice.
They’re only holding cars up a little bit so they can guffaw and shout at each other, plus they’re practically enforcing the speed limit too against those nasty car owners who might dare to drive at 21mph. Of course the cyclists have no idea whether they are actually adhering to the speed limit that they are helping to enforce.
That cycle lane is perfectly good enough and was put in place at expense for their use bit of course, you know best don’t you. Bit dusty is it? It is you who is wrong on every count. You remind me of that spoiled child who was given a truck for his birthday but it wasn’t good enough so he smashed it up instead. Get a grip. Watch this and change your life.
https://youtu.be/9s8XilZa2WY
Momentarily slowing to 20mph shouldn't actually be a big deal. You should be doing that regularly anyway when you see an unstable pensioner waiting at a level crossing, a toddler running along the pavement, or an animal at the side of the road. Speed limits are not a target, they're a limit.
Regarding cycle lanes, 'dust' is not the issue. Roads regularly get broken glass, sharp rocks, rubbish etc thrown to their edges, and these are unsafe to cycle on. Again, as per the Highway Code, all road users (yes, even you) will occasionally have to deviate to go round things and stay safe, and you should be accounting for this in your driving.
will_ said:
jakesmith said:
That cycle lane leading to the Mortlake entrance to Richmond Park is about 2 miles long and has hardly any junctions. Separate to the road, it is barely used by cyclists who swarm in large groups like the parasites they are, and there is often too much oncoming traffic to pass them. It is frustrating! But I’m not the bloke in the Landrover who lost his s
t with one in that viral clip
If you mean Priory Lane, then I'm afraid you are wrong on every count.t with one in that viral clipAnd it's a 20mph road - realistically most of the cyclists heading to the park won't be doing much less than that.
And "parasites"....nice.
jakesmith said:
‘Much less than that’, Just about sums up the entitled arrogant thinking of these obnoxious arrogant cyclists.
They’re only holding cars up a little bit so they can guffaw and shout at each other, plus they’re practically enforcing the speed limit too against those nasty car owners who might dare to drive at 21mph. Of course the cyclists have no idea whether they are actually adhering to the speed limit that they are helping to enforce.
That cycle lane is perfectly good enough and was put in place at expense for their use bit of course, you know best don’t you. Bit dusty is it? It is you who is wrong on every count. You remind me of that spoiled child who was given a truck for his birthday but it wasn’t good enough so he smashed it up instead. Get a grip. Watch this and change your life.
https://youtu.be/9s8XilZa2WY
That kid’s attitude reminds me of the entitled, arrogant thinking that leads people to believe that cyclists don’t have as much right to use the road as they do. ‘Other people are using the road for what they want to do and that makes them parasites because I want to use the road for what I want to do’. It’s not a great moral position.They’re only holding cars up a little bit so they can guffaw and shout at each other, plus they’re practically enforcing the speed limit too against those nasty car owners who might dare to drive at 21mph. Of course the cyclists have no idea whether they are actually adhering to the speed limit that they are helping to enforce.
That cycle lane is perfectly good enough and was put in place at expense for their use bit of course, you know best don’t you. Bit dusty is it? It is you who is wrong on every count. You remind me of that spoiled child who was given a truck for his birthday but it wasn’t good enough so he smashed it up instead. Get a grip. Watch this and change your life.
https://youtu.be/9s8XilZa2WY
Are there inconsiderate cyclists? Of course, just like there are inconsiderate people among every group anyone has ever defined. Is it worth dehumanising a whole section of society over? Absolutely not. Investing in derogatory stereotypes is one of the least useful of human behaviours.
Cyclists are entitled to cycle on the road at any speed they like, whether they're near a cycle lane or not. That's not a comment on attitude, it's a fact of UK law that every user of our shared road network has to accept.
RobM77 said:
jakesmith said:
RobM77 said:
jakesmith said:
will_ said:
If you mean Priory Lane, then I'm afraid you are wrong on every count.
And it's a 20mph road - realistically most of the cyclists heading to the park won't be doing much less than that.
And "parasites"....nice.
‘Much less than that’, Just about sums up the entitled arrogant thinking of these obnoxious arrogant cyclists. And it's a 20mph road - realistically most of the cyclists heading to the park won't be doing much less than that.
And "parasites"....nice.
They’re only holding cars up a little bit so they can guffaw and shout at each other, plus they’re practically enforcing the speed limit too against those nasty car owners who might dare to drive at 21mph. Of course the cyclists have no idea whether they are actually adhering to the speed limit that they are helping to enforce.
That cycle lane is perfectly good enough and was put in place at expense for their use bit of course, you know best don’t you. Bit dusty is it? It is you who is wrong on every count. You remind me of that spoiled child who was given a truck for his birthday but it wasn’t good enough so he smashed it up instead. Get a grip. Watch this and change your life.
https://youtu.be/9s8XilZa2WY
Momentarily slowing to 20mph shouldn't actually be a big deal. You should be doing that regularly anyway when you see an unstable pensioner waiting at a level crossing, a toddler running along the pavement, or an animal at the side of the road. Speed limits are not a target, they're a limit.
Regarding cycle lanes, 'dust' is not the issue. Roads regularly get broken glass, sharp rocks, rubbish etc thrown to their edges, and these are unsafe to cycle on. Again, as per the Highway Code, all road users (yes, even you) will occasionally have to deviate to go round things and stay safe, and you should be accounting for this in your driving.
Nothing against cyclists. Everything against inconsiderate road users who’s use of the road impacts others. On this road the cyclists exhibit utterly selfish behaviour.
jakesmith said:
‘Much less than that’, Just about sums up the entitled arrogant thinking of these obnoxious arrogant cyclists.
They’re only holding cars up a little bit so they can guffaw and shout at each other, plus they’re practically enforcing the speed limit too against those nasty car owners who might dare to drive at 21mph. Of course the cyclists have no idea whether they are actually adhering to the speed limit that they are helping to enforce.
That cycle lane is perfectly good enough and was put in place at expense for their use bit of course, you know best don’t you. Bit dusty is it? It is you who is wrong on every count. You remind me of that spoiled child who was given a truck for his birthday but it wasn’t good enough so he smashed it up instead. Get a grip. Watch this and change your life.
https://youtu.be/9s8XilZa2WY
What's that got to do with literally anything They’re only holding cars up a little bit so they can guffaw and shout at each other, plus they’re practically enforcing the speed limit too against those nasty car owners who might dare to drive at 21mph. Of course the cyclists have no idea whether they are actually adhering to the speed limit that they are helping to enforce.
That cycle lane is perfectly good enough and was put in place at expense for their use bit of course, you know best don’t you. Bit dusty is it? It is you who is wrong on every count. You remind me of that spoiled child who was given a truck for his birthday but it wasn’t good enough so he smashed it up instead. Get a grip. Watch this and change your life.
https://youtu.be/9s8XilZa2WY
The problem, you absolute nugget is that most cycle lanes in the Uk are not fit for purpose. They were designed by idiots trying to use the space available, which isn't enough, to appease the masses. Some work, some don't, which you'd know if you took your foot out of your mouth for a brief moment. Where they don't work cyclists are legally entitled to use the same roads as you are.
You are the issue.
ddom said:
What's that got to do with literally anything
The problem, you absolute nugget is that most cycle lanes in the Uk are not fit for purpose. They were designed by idiots trying to use the space available, which isn't enough, to appease the masses. Some work, some don't, which you'd know if you took your foot out of your mouth for a brief moment. Where they don't work cyclists are legally entitled to use the same roads as you are.
You are the issue.
If you can’t make a point without resorting to insults, it shows how weak your point is. Maybe try your foaming on Facebook? More like minds over there on your level I’d say. The problem, you absolute nugget is that most cycle lanes in the Uk are not fit for purpose. They were designed by idiots trying to use the space available, which isn't enough, to appease the masses. Some work, some don't, which you'd know if you took your foot out of your mouth for a brief moment. Where they don't work cyclists are legally entitled to use the same roads as you are.
You are the issue.
jakesmith said:
will_ said:
If you mean Priory Lane, then I'm afraid you are wrong on every count.
And it's a 20mph road - realistically most of the cyclists heading to the park won't be doing much less than that.
And "parasites"....nice.
‘Much less than that’, Just about sums up the entitled arrogant thinking of these obnoxious arrogant cyclists. And it's a 20mph road - realistically most of the cyclists heading to the park won't be doing much less than that.
And "parasites"....nice.
They’re only holding cars up a little bit so they can guffaw and shout at each other, plus they’re practically enforcing the speed limit too against those nasty car owners who might dare to drive at 21mph. Of course the cyclists have no idea whether they are actually adhering to the speed limit that they are helping to enforce.
That cycle lane is perfectly good enough and was put in place at expense for their use bit of course, you know best don’t you. Bit dusty is it? It is you who is wrong on every count. You remind me of that spoiled child who was given a truck for his birthday but it wasn’t good enough so he smashed it up instead. Get a grip. Watch this and change your life.
https://youtu.be/9s8XilZa2WY
I really don't feel I am to be honest, I don't think most cyclists are either (any more than the average population) but have seen a group mentality which seems to be a human trait which tends to be a strength in numbers thing.
I am sure a psychologist could explain it much better, I saw it when I did a big group charity ride and I didn't like it saw it the other week on TV on the streets of Liverpool when the Police were trying to enforce lockdown,
Partly it is the size of the group as well, ten cyclists in a group are much harder to pass than one on their own, throw in a hint of that mentality and I can see why it happens.
A Quote I like from Agent K in men in Black " A person is smart. People are dumb, panicky dangerous animals and you know it."
Also, please remember some of it may be self preservation in what a given cyclist does that may be misconstrued as arrogance or obstruction, I mentioned making myself a bit wider, coming out from the side of the road on badly sighted bends, no arrogance in that, I just don't want a car overtaking and then cutting in abruptly when they have realised that they have screwed up, there wasn't enough room and they are on the wrong side of the road and another car has appeared.
I don't know the drivers mental state, skill level, trust in their use of the Force or superhuman ability to see whats round a blind bend. I do the same in a car, i.e. drive defensively but as it doesn't tend to slow people down or at least they just accept being slowed by another car without question, it generally goes unnoticed and they are usually in my way in that scenario anyway.
Also, consider if cyclists are travelling at 20 mph plus, that generates a lot of wind noise (Stick your head out of a moving car, you will look like a Boxer Dog but get the effect) and also, bicycles don't generally have rear view mirrors, they can be fitted and I have a small mirror on the end of the drops on my right hand bar, I use it constantly, however Road cyclists have "The Rules", which is a load of old s
te about what you can and cant do, some of it is good sense, but a lot is vanity and conformity, I take no fking notice of those rules and have my own, I need a mirror, not so I can check my appearance, so I can see what's behind and try and keep myself safe, plan how I ride and help faster traffic get past.These are "The Rules",
https://www.velominati.com/
This is rule 66
"No mirrors. Mirrors are allowed on your (aptly named) Surly Big Dummy or your Surly Long Haul Trucker. Not on your road steed. Not on your Mountain bike. Not on your helmet. If someone familiar with The Rules has sold you such an abomination, return the mirror and demand a refund, plus interest and damages."
Which to me is f
king stupid, why would you actively dissuade other cyclists from getting a safety item based on some arbitrary set of rules, mainly centered on looking like a "proper cyclist", the thing is, its kind of tongue in cheek but some do follow it to the letter.They cost about a tenner and can be a life saver, some may say it makes you look a tit, but lets have it right, you are dressing in skin tight Lycra with a plastic hat on and shoes you cant walk in, a little mirror isnt going to ruin all that good work on looking a plonker.
jakesmith said:
If you can’t make a point without resorting to insults, it shows how weak your point is. Maybe try your foaming on Facebook? More like minds over there on your level I’d say.
jakesmith said:
entitled arrogant thinking of these obnoxious arrogant cyclists
jakesmith said:
they can guffaw and shout at each other
jakesmith said:
they’re practically enforcing the speed limit too against those nasty car owners
jakesmith said:
You remind me of that spoiled child
When you have an irrational dislike of something, best to just say 'because', rather than trying to justify yourself and making yourself look daft(er).Cyclists are legally allowed on the road. Some are good, some are bad, like you, as an example of having a poor attitude as a car driver.
jakesmith said:
RobM77 said:
jakesmith said:
RobM77 said:
jakesmith said:
will_ said:
If you mean Priory Lane, then I'm afraid you are wrong on every count.
And it's a 20mph road - realistically most of the cyclists heading to the park won't be doing much less than that.
And "parasites"....nice.
‘Much less than that’, Just about sums up the entitled arrogant thinking of these obnoxious arrogant cyclists. And it's a 20mph road - realistically most of the cyclists heading to the park won't be doing much less than that.
And "parasites"....nice.
They’re only holding cars up a little bit so they can guffaw and shout at each other, plus they’re practically enforcing the speed limit too against those nasty car owners who might dare to drive at 21mph. Of course the cyclists have no idea whether they are actually adhering to the speed limit that they are helping to enforce.
That cycle lane is perfectly good enough and was put in place at expense for their use bit of course, you know best don’t you. Bit dusty is it? It is you who is wrong on every count. You remind me of that spoiled child who was given a truck for his birthday but it wasn’t good enough so he smashed it up instead. Get a grip. Watch this and change your life.
https://youtu.be/9s8XilZa2WY
Momentarily slowing to 20mph shouldn't actually be a big deal. You should be doing that regularly anyway when you see an unstable pensioner waiting at a level crossing, a toddler running along the pavement, or an animal at the side of the road. Speed limits are not a target, they're a limit.
Regarding cycle lanes, 'dust' is not the issue. Roads regularly get broken glass, sharp rocks, rubbish etc thrown to their edges, and these are unsafe to cycle on. Again, as per the Highway Code, all road users (yes, even you) will occasionally have to deviate to go round things and stay safe, and you should be accounting for this in your driving.
Nothing against cyclists. Everything against inconsiderate road users who’s use of the road impacts others. On this road the cyclists exhibit utterly selfish behaviour.
J4CKO said:
This, along with the all the other hipster crap I just will never get. Velominati, is just embarrassing.ddom said:
J4CKO said:
This, along with the all the other hipster crap I just will never get. Velominati, is just embarrassing.ddom said:
J4CKO said:
This, along with the all the other hipster crap I just will never get. Velominati, is just embarrassing.Gassing Station | General Gassing | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff