Cycling two abreast....agree or not?
Discussion
ddom said:
jakesmith said:
If you can’t make a point without resorting to insults, it shows how weak your point is. Maybe try your foaming on Facebook? More like minds over there on your level I’d say.
jakesmith said:
entitled arrogant thinking of these obnoxious arrogant cyclists
jakesmith said:
they can guffaw and shout at each other
jakesmith said:
they’re practically enforcing the speed limit too against those nasty car owners
jakesmith said:
You remind me of that spoiled child
When you have an irrational dislike of something, best to just say 'because', rather than trying to justify yourself and making yourself look daft(er).Cyclists are legally allowed on the road. Some are good, some are bad, like you, as an example of having a poor attitude as a car driver.
NewUsername said:
ddom said:
J4CKO said:
This, along with the all the other hipster crap I just will never get. Velominati, is just embarrassing.jakesmith said:
I didn’t resort to insulting you to try and make a point though did I? I was insulting towards inconsiderate cyclists. I didn’t think it was a difficult point to grasp but it was obviously a little bit challenging for you. Better luck next time!
Keep digging.....Have you thought of some driver training, it might help?
DoubleD said:
Insults from all sides which is a shame to see.
It’s not insulting pointing out, and mocking those who cannot cope with modern road traffic and situations. If these Indy had ever been in the other end of a close pass they’d probably understand why angry motorists are a serious problem. Not to mention how it must affect their mental and physical well being? ddom said:
DoubleD said:
Insults from all sides which is a shame to see.
It’s not insulting pointing out, and mocking those who cannot cope with modern road traffic and situations. If these Indy had ever been in the other end of a close pass they’d probably understand why angry motorists are a serious problem. Not to mention how it must affect their mental and physical well being? jakesmith said:
RobM77 said:
jakesmith said:
RobM77 said:
jakesmith said:
will_ said:
If you mean Priory Lane, then I'm afraid you are wrong on every count.
And it's a 20mph road - realistically most of the cyclists heading to the park won't be doing much less than that.
And "parasites"....nice.
‘Much less than that’, Just about sums up the entitled arrogant thinking of these obnoxious arrogant cyclists. And it's a 20mph road - realistically most of the cyclists heading to the park won't be doing much less than that.
And "parasites"....nice.
They’re only holding cars up a little bit so they can guffaw and shout at each other, plus they’re practically enforcing the speed limit too against those nasty car owners who might dare to drive at 21mph. Of course the cyclists have no idea whether they are actually adhering to the speed limit that they are helping to enforce.
That cycle lane is perfectly good enough and was put in place at expense for their use bit of course, you know best don’t you. Bit dusty is it? It is you who is wrong on every count. You remind me of that spoiled child who was given a truck for his birthday but it wasn’t good enough so he smashed it up instead. Get a grip. Watch this and change your life.
https://youtu.be/9s8XilZa2WY
Momentarily slowing to 20mph shouldn't actually be a big deal. You should be doing that regularly anyway when you see an unstable pensioner waiting at a level crossing, a toddler running along the pavement, or an animal at the side of the road. Speed limits are not a target, they're a limit.
Regarding cycle lanes, 'dust' is not the issue. Roads regularly get broken glass, sharp rocks, rubbish etc thrown to their edges, and these are unsafe to cycle on. Again, as per the Highway Code, all road users (yes, even you) will occasionally have to deviate to go round things and stay safe, and you should be accounting for this in your driving.
Nothing against cyclists. Everything against inconsiderate road users who’s use of the road impacts others. On this road the cyclists exhibit utterly selfish behaviour.
Yesterday DoubleD said:
Lots of fun insults being thrown around ha ha
You've changed your tune!Today DoubleD said:
Insults from all sides which is a shame to see.
But yeah, thread is quickly tedious.As others have pointed out it's the same zealots from both categories of road users that don't seem to comprehend give and take and good manners are the way forward on our ever more congested roads.
Falconer said:
Change the topic slightly, what about cyclists who refuse to use the cycle track provided and use the road instead ,holding up the traffic?
I know they don’t have to legally, which in my view is wrong especially as their safety seems to be entirely the responsibility of car drivers how ever bad their riding is, but the Highway Code does say you should show consideration to other road users.
The road in question is a busy but narrow A road , you would think anyone with half a brain would rather cycle separated by 4 foot of grass verge than a few inches of fresh(ish) air.
A lot depends on where they are going. Bridges and tunnels are rare and cycle lanes that have priority crossing roads, apparently non existent. Consequently many cyclists feel (and probably are) safer turning right or negotiating roundabouts with the traffic.I know they don’t have to legally, which in my view is wrong especially as their safety seems to be entirely the responsibility of car drivers how ever bad their riding is, but the Highway Code does say you should show consideration to other road users.
The road in question is a busy but narrow A road , you would think anyone with half a brain would rather cycle separated by 4 foot of grass verge than a few inches of fresh(ish) air.
There are also numerous ‘cycle tracks’ with reversed priorities meaning that cyclists are supposed to give way at every side road for completely unknown reasons - put yourself in the position of a cyclist on one of these and you can see why the road might be an attractive choice...
ddom said:
jakesmith said:
I didn’t resort to insulting you to try and make a point though did I? I was insulting towards inconsiderate cyclists. I didn’t think it was a difficult point to grasp but it was obviously a little bit challenging for you. Better luck next time!
Keep digging.....Have you thought of some driver training, it might help?
You get a badge at the end to add to your collection.
jakesmith said:
will_ said:
If you mean Priory Lane, then I'm afraid you are wrong on every count.
And it's a 20mph road - realistically most of the cyclists heading to the park won't be doing much less than that.
And "parasites"....nice.
‘Much less than that’, Just about sums up the entitled arrogant thinking of these obnoxious arrogant cyclists. And it's a 20mph road - realistically most of the cyclists heading to the park won't be doing much less than that.
And "parasites"....nice.
They’re only holding cars up a little bit so they can guffaw and shout at each other, plus they’re practically enforcing the speed limit too against those nasty car owners who might dare to drive at 21mph. Of course the cyclists have no idea whether they are actually adhering to the speed limit that they are helping to enforce.
That cycle lane is perfectly good enough and was put in place at expense for their use bit of course, you know best don’t you. Bit dusty is it? It is you who is wrong on every count. You remind me of that spoiled child who was given a truck for his birthday but it wasn’t good enough so he smashed it up instead. Get a grip. Watch this and change your life.
https://youtu.be/9s8XilZa2WY
What you said was:
jakesmith said:
That cycle lane leading to the Mortlake entrance to Richmond Park is about 2 miles long and has hardly any junctions. Separate to the road, it is barely used by cyclists who swarm in large groups like the parasites they are, and there is often too much oncoming traffic to pass them. It is frustrating! But I’m not the bloke in the Landrover who lost his s
t with one in that viral clip
As I said, you are wrong on every count:t with one in that viral clipIt's not 2 miles long - it's just over half a mile
There are eight junctions or crossings along it
It's not "barely used"
As for it being "perfectly good enough":
It is a white line painted down a pavement shared with pedestrians, including (at the morning peak) children walking (and cycling) to the school at the end of the road
It is supposedly two-way
As noted above, it has eight crossings on it
You're clearly not a cyclist so your opinion on whether or not a facility for cyclists is good or not has very little weight.
As for being held up, again you show a lack of rational thought. The traffic along there is usually appalling because of - you guessed it - all the cars queuing to get into the park. That's in turn caused by - you guessed it - parked cars on the road. It has a 20mph limit, as does Richmond Park. How fast do you want to be going?
You're going to sit in a long line of cars, caused solely by motorists (like you), way after any cyclist has passed you. It's a complete myth to suggest that cyclists using the road rather than that sorry excuse for a cycling facility causes drivers any delay whatsoever.
But you are desperate to speed to the back of the next queue of cars? Why?
popeyewhite said:
Yesterday DoubleD said:
Lots of fun insults being thrown around ha ha
You've changed your tune!Today DoubleD said:
Insults from all sides which is a shame to see.
But yeah, thread is quickly tedious.As others have pointed out it's the same zealots from both categories of road users that don't seem to comprehend give and take and good manners are the way forward on our ever more congested roads.
will_ said:
jakesmith said:
will_ said:
If you mean Priory Lane, then I'm afraid you are wrong on every count.
And it's a 20mph road - realistically most of the cyclists heading to the park won't be doing much less than that.
And "parasites"....nice.
‘Much less than that’, Just about sums up the entitled arrogant thinking of these obnoxious arrogant cyclists. And it's a 20mph road - realistically most of the cyclists heading to the park won't be doing much less than that.
And "parasites"....nice.
They’re only holding cars up a little bit so they can guffaw and shout at each other, plus they’re practically enforcing the speed limit too against those nasty car owners who might dare to drive at 21mph. Of course the cyclists have no idea whether they are actually adhering to the speed limit that they are helping to enforce.
That cycle lane is perfectly good enough and was put in place at expense for their use bit of course, you know best don’t you. Bit dusty is it? It is you who is wrong on every count. You remind me of that spoiled child who was given a truck for his birthday but it wasn’t good enough so he smashed it up instead. Get a grip. Watch this and change your life.
https://youtu.be/9s8XilZa2WY
What you said was:
jakesmith said:
That cycle lane leading to the Mortlake entrance to Richmond Park is about 2 miles long and has hardly any junctions. Separate to the road, it is barely used by cyclists who swarm in large groups like the parasites they are, and there is often too much oncoming traffic to pass them. It is frustrating! But I’m not the bloke in the Landrover who lost his st with one in that viral clip
As I said, you are wrong on every count:t with one in that viral clipIt's not 2 miles long - it's just over half a mile
There are eight junctions or crossings along it
It's not "barely used"
As for it being "perfectly good enough":
It is a white line painted down a pavement shared with pedestrians, including (at the morning peak) children walking (and cycling) to the school at the end of the road
It is supposedly two-way
As noted above, it has eight crossings on it
You're clearly not a cyclist so your opinion on whether or not a facility for cyclists is good or not has very little weight.
As for being held up, again you show a lack of rational thought. The traffic along there is usually appalling because of - you guessed it - all the cars queuing to get into the park. That's in turn caused by - you guessed it - parked cars on the road. It has a 20mph limit, as does Richmond Park. How fast do you want to be going?
You're going to sit in a long line of cars, caused solely by motorists (like you), way after any cyclist has passed you. It's a complete myth to suggest that cyclists using the road rather than that sorry excuse for a cycling facility causes drivers any delay whatsoever.
But you are desperate to speed to the back of the next queue of cars? Why?
jakesmith said:
Ares said:
Road cycling is fine if you pick your roads. I avoid busy roads, and will often do 100km+ and only see a handful of cars.
fk me that’s fast!! Do u wear knee pads and stuff? You must be v fit Ares said:
jakesmith said:
Ares said:
Road cycling is fine if you pick your roads. I avoid busy roads, and will often do 100km+ and only see a handful of cars.
fk me that’s fast!! Do u wear knee pads and stuff? You must be v fit Shame it’s empty
Fady said:
Ares said:
DoubleD said:
Cycle lanes need to be of a good standard before they will be used. Once they are then yes their use should be compulsory
I know of one within 20/30 miles of me, runs up the side of the Alderley Edge by-pass. I'll use that rather than be on the road, as do the vast majority of cyclists. Its not perfect, it's only about 1.5m wide and is multi-use so you have to cope with headphone-wearing runners & walkers, plus of course phone-zombies, as well as families with small kids pootling along on their bikes not much over walking speed. Take a look at the Lakefront Trail in Chicago if you want to see how a true cycle/running track would be effective.....or indeed the dozens of miles of cycle tracks running alongside roads the leads to it. And that's Trump's America!!!
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