RE: Land Rover Defender 90 | UK Review
Discussion
DonkeyApple said:
BVB said:
Saw one if these on the road for the first time the other day, in London, where else. Anyway, absolutely hideous in the flesh, and enormous. Dreadful homage to the original, which was small and utilitarian. The Jimny was closer to the Defender than this new monstrosity.
This is the trouble when people get old, not only do they seemingly get really, really angry about unimportant things but they get terrible confused as to how things used to be. The additional worry is that this kind of dementia seems to be kicking in very young with some social demographics. Aids0G said:
Agreed as a D4 owner I was surprised at how much smaller the boot on the Defender is than the D4, interior passenger space is a bit better and bigger but the boot seems to have suffered.
Going to wait until the 130 version comes out to make a swap, so couple of more years with the D4, heaven!
I think the boot is something like 200mm less deep. Most of this has gone in to interior seating space. It’s narrower inside the boot opening compared to the d4 because the aluminium structure is thicker. Going to wait until the 130 version comes out to make a swap, so couple of more years with the D4, heaven!
Good comparison showing the difference in size here https://youtu.be/T2fBTD12YtQ
DonkeyApple said:
This is the trouble when people get old, not only do they seemingly get really, really angry about unimportant things but they get terrible confused as to how things used to be. The additional worry is that this kind of dementia seems to be kicking in very young with some social demographics.
Never in its history has it been small. In fact the first iteration of the Defender was fatter than an XJ6 at the time. The current Defender maintains that.
So the real truth is that it was the series 1 Defender that went fatter than average but since the dawn of time they've been fatter than the average mid sized family car they've shared the road with.
People get very confused because the original Defender was in production unchanged for so many years while all other models of car were updated and grew in size.
As for utility, again a lot of really angry blokes are getting very confused with the world they live in. The 1950s were actually in the 1950s rather than the 2020s and I think quite a few blokes have become very confused by this forward movement of time and I assume they haven't realised that their home now has a lavatory inside and they are still trudging down to the shed with an old copy of the Daily Mail to use as god intended.
On planet Earth where time and civilisation move forward at a quicker pace than on planet rage and confusion, the utility requirement of vehicles has evolved. The transit van has replaced things like a Land Rover as it is far superior at being a transit van. While the pickup truck has replaced the Landie as it is far superior at being a pickup truck. At the same time the entire planet now have things called roads which people can use to get from a to b. Yet no one really does lifestyle utility like Land Rover who have been king of the hill in lifestyle utility since the 1970s. The new Defender is specifically a utility vehicle. It fits the utility needs of those who can afford it preci Ely as it did back with the S1 and as it has done with every subsequent iteration.
What we really need to do is move the discussion forward by peeling away the excuses and focussing on what is really making some blokes so angry as like the SUV thing it's not actually the car but with those the car is merely the proxy for the real anger at women, non whites and just anyone they deem to be lessor humans who have the audacity to spend more money than them on a car. So we should just skip all the drivel about the 1950s and how the world hasn't changed, skip all the made up rubbish about sizes and utility and just focus on the real issue which is that some blokes don't like the price and don't like the sort of people who don't mind the price.
I'm no SUV fan, but I will confess I kind of like this. However, having nearly been run into the side of bridge by an oncoming one there' no getting away from the fact it is very wide and the roads are busier. Not a helpful combo IMHO. Never in its history has it been small. In fact the first iteration of the Defender was fatter than an XJ6 at the time. The current Defender maintains that.
So the real truth is that it was the series 1 Defender that went fatter than average but since the dawn of time they've been fatter than the average mid sized family car they've shared the road with.
People get very confused because the original Defender was in production unchanged for so many years while all other models of car were updated and grew in size.
As for utility, again a lot of really angry blokes are getting very confused with the world they live in. The 1950s were actually in the 1950s rather than the 2020s and I think quite a few blokes have become very confused by this forward movement of time and I assume they haven't realised that their home now has a lavatory inside and they are still trudging down to the shed with an old copy of the Daily Mail to use as god intended.
On planet Earth where time and civilisation move forward at a quicker pace than on planet rage and confusion, the utility requirement of vehicles has evolved. The transit van has replaced things like a Land Rover as it is far superior at being a transit van. While the pickup truck has replaced the Landie as it is far superior at being a pickup truck. At the same time the entire planet now have things called roads which people can use to get from a to b. Yet no one really does lifestyle utility like Land Rover who have been king of the hill in lifestyle utility since the 1970s. The new Defender is specifically a utility vehicle. It fits the utility needs of those who can afford it preci Ely as it did back with the S1 and as it has done with every subsequent iteration.
What we really need to do is move the discussion forward by peeling away the excuses and focussing on what is really making some blokes so angry as like the SUV thing it's not actually the car but with those the car is merely the proxy for the real anger at women, non whites and just anyone they deem to be lessor humans who have the audacity to spend more money than them on a car. So we should just skip all the drivel about the 1950s and how the world hasn't changed, skip all the made up rubbish about sizes and utility and just focus on the real issue which is that some blokes don't like the price and don't like the sort of people who don't mind the price.
Seen my first 90 a couple of weeks ago.
All white with steel wheels. Actually looked pretty good.
I still prefer the 110 so that’s what I’ll buy but I’m glad the 90 is out.
A member of my Land Rover club has just got a D250 SE 90 so will be good to see that in the flesh at some point.
He’s going to bring it along to the off road days along with his old 90 and ccv car so a good mix of old and new.
All white with steel wheels. Actually looked pretty good.
I still prefer the 110 so that’s what I’ll buy but I’m glad the 90 is out.
A member of my Land Rover club has just got a D250 SE 90 so will be good to see that in the flesh at some point.
He’s going to bring it along to the off road days along with his old 90 and ccv car so a good mix of old and new.
bsidethecside said:
I'm no SUV fan, but I will confess I kind of like this. However, having nearly been run into the side of bridge by an oncoming one there' no getting away from the fact it is very wide and the roads are busier. Not a helpful combo IMHO.
Yup. No shortage of vehicles on today's roads that are 1999mm wide. Some people do confuse height or price tag with width though and become additionally scared when an idiot driver takes a bit of their road. The reality is that new Land Rovers have always been among the widest cars on the road. What's actually changed today is that there are many, many more other cars that are as wide, so in some regards, in relative terms, it's got narrower.
And if you look at the height I think it's actually dropped from just over 2m to just under.
Over thirty years the Defender has gotten about 20cm wider which is probably around the same of all cars. Is this really a problem someone randomly finds with just one specific vehicle or is it just a proxy for the real issue? It's clearly the latter.
cowboyengineer said:
Pookie123 said:
loafer123 said:
NomduJour said:
A Discovery Sport isn’t small.
That isn’t a Discovery Sport.Saw one parked the other day and meant to get a shot for the thread on annoying design details. I just couldn't understand why the trim on the back seat window was a full inch higher than the trim below the front passenger window. It looked ridiculous.
So ridiculous that I looked up a picture when I got home. Sure enough the waiseline is supposed to be continuous rather than staggered. I guess the car I saw had come off the factory line on a Friday afternoon.
So ridiculous that I looked up a picture when I got home. Sure enough the waiseline is supposed to be continuous rather than staggered. I guess the car I saw had come off the factory line on a Friday afternoon.
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