Brighton Ferrari Idiot
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SweptVolume said:
He also changed down to second with, presumably, a wide open throttle, which is an odd thing to do when he seemed to be happy riding the torque curve for some time before. Basically set the car up to do a long third gear pull, then rammed it into second causing high revs and high power to hit the rear wheels and what a shock they spun up.
Maybe meant to go up a gear and went down one instead?Garemberg said:
Which one of you was this then?
https://twitter.com/CrimeLdn/status/13211278218891...
https://twitter.com/CrimeLdn/status/13211278218891...
Even your link says London.
untakenname said:
Was a different driver, he hit over 7 pedestrians knocking some off them off the bridge yet got off with just a short ban and a fine! Looks like he used the EU right to be forgotten to get the sentence purged from history.
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/2380695/battersea-fe...
12?https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/2380695/battersea-fe...
Reminds me of this classic https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q4Qxic6qj3E
slopes said:
crankedup said:
Knowing the limitations of your car helps, knowing the limitations of your own driving talent helps even more.
And this is why even if i did win the Euromilions jackpot, i would never own a car like that. It's ability far far far outweighs my own.Hmm... A classic case of money doesn't buy talent. I have to say, I did chuckle at the moment of impact knowing it's only his pride and wallet that's been hurt.
Then I remembered it's morons like this that give motorists a bad name, and is the reason we've turned into a motoring nanny state.
Then I remembered it's morons like this that give motorists a bad name, and is the reason we've turned into a motoring nanny state.
untakenname said:
Was a different driver, he hit over 7 pedestrians knocking some off them off the bridge yet got off with just a short ban and a fine! Looks like he used the EU right to be forgotten to get the sentence purged from history.
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/2380695/battersea-fe...
It’s all still there http://squaremilenews.blogspot.com/2017/06/million...https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/2380695/battersea-fe...
Durzel said:
As said previously ESC probably off, but at the same time if your floor it in those conditions or simply don’t know how to drive a car like this properly then physics will dictate the outcome.
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Surely if traction control was fully on then no matter what the idiot driving it should prevent this type of incident (power overcoming rear traction). It simply cuts the throttle to prevent the power getting to the wheels. If corner entry speed is too high then that’s a different matter, once traction is broken here then there’s little that ESC can do. .
I’ve never driven a car with anything like this power, but isn’t that exactly the type of incident that ESC should prevent no matter throttle position?
Green1man said:
Durzel said:
As said previously ESC probably off, but at the same time if your floor it in those conditions or simply don’t know how to drive a car like this properly then physics will dictate the outcome.
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Surely if traction control was fully on then no matter what the idiot driving it should prevent this type of incident (power overcoming rear traction). It simply cuts the throttle to prevent the power getting to the wheels. If corner entry speed is too high then that’s a different matter, once traction is broken here then there’s little that ESC can do. .
I’ve never driven a car with anything like this power, but isn’t that exactly the type of incident that ESC should prevent no matter throttle position?
In this "accident" (and it was no accident) the car does EXACTLY what the driver asks. He floors it aggressively in a low gear, the rear wheels spin, the rear slowly drifts sideways down the road camber, and then the driver hamfistidly snaps in a HUGE handwheel input (fully 180 deg of oppo, in a car with a very fast steering rack....) and also suddenly lifts off completely at the same moment. The car "hears" this request to suuddenly turn right as sharply as it can (because all the weight has now transfered onto those front tyres, the ones that are now pointing about 45 deg to the right...), and, er does!
With DSC on, not only would the gross overspeed of the rear tyres be prevented, but the DSC would also deliberately use the brakes to lock an individual front wheel (and the rear cross axle locker) to damp out the impeding "Uncontrollable" yaw before it actually built to a level that resulted in LoC.
Max_Torque said:
Green1man said:
Durzel said:
As said previously ESC probably off, but at the same time if your floor it in those conditions or simply don’t know how to drive a car like this properly then physics will dictate the outcome.
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Surely if traction control was fully on then no matter what the idiot driving it should prevent this type of incident (power overcoming rear traction). It simply cuts the throttle to prevent the power getting to the wheels. If corner entry speed is too high then that’s a different matter, once traction is broken here then there’s little that ESC can do. .
I’ve never driven a car with anything like this power, but isn’t that exactly the type of incident that ESC should prevent no matter throttle position?
In this "accident" (and it was no accident) the car does EXACTLY what the driver asks. He floors it aggressively in a low gear, the rear wheels spin, the rear slowly drifts sideways down the road camber, and then the driver hamfistidly snaps in a HUGE handwheel input (fully 180 deg of oppo, in a car with a very fast steering rack....) and also suddenly lifts off completely at the same moment. The car "hears" this request to suuddenly turn right as sharply as it can (because all the weight has now transfered onto those front tyres, the ones that are now pointing about 45 deg to the right...), and, er does!
With DSC on, not only would the gross overspeed of the rear tyres be prevented, but the DSC would also deliberately use the brakes to lock an individual front wheel (and the rear cross axle locker) to damp out the impeding "Uncontrollable" yaw before it actually built to a level that resulted in LoC.
There are a lot more very powerful cars around these days, imagine all those 2 plus tonne, 500 odd bhp SUVs without any form of stability control, never mind mid engined ones with 700 plus bhp.
I am wary of my little one series as it has around 370 bhp, an auto box no steering feel to speak off and loads of torque that easily overwhelms the rear wheels where it finds no limited slip differential.
I feel that with cars like that, if you are going to turn the safety net off you need to have the experience of that car, gained somewhere were you cant hit anything or anyone whilst you get used to it and build the muscle memory for the inputs so they are second nature, or just dont do it in the first place.
Stuff like an Audi S3 is pretty idiot proof, can go very, very fast in one of those with zero car control skill, a lad my son knows has one as his first car, drives like a loon, wonder what would happen if he got plonked in a Sierra Cosworth with similar power ?
Max_Torque said:
Short answer: yes
In this "accident" (and it was no accident) the car does EXACTLY what the driver asks. He floors it aggressively in a low gear, the rear wheels spin, the rear slowly drifts sideways down the road camber, and then the driver hamfistidly snaps in a HUGE handwheel input (fully 180 deg of oppo, in a car with a very fast steering rack....) and also suddenly lifts off completely at the same moment. The car "hears" this request to suuddenly turn right as sharply as it can (because all the weight has now transfered onto those front tyres, the ones that are now pointing about 45 deg to the right...), and, er does!
With DSC on, not only would the gross overspeed of the rear tyres be prevented, but the DSC would also deliberately use the brakes to lock an individual front wheel (and the rear cross axle locker) to damp out the impeding "Uncontrollable" yaw before it actually built to a level that resulted in LoC.
Nice post, thanks.In this "accident" (and it was no accident) the car does EXACTLY what the driver asks. He floors it aggressively in a low gear, the rear wheels spin, the rear slowly drifts sideways down the road camber, and then the driver hamfistidly snaps in a HUGE handwheel input (fully 180 deg of oppo, in a car with a very fast steering rack....) and also suddenly lifts off completely at the same moment. The car "hears" this request to suuddenly turn right as sharply as it can (because all the weight has now transfered onto those front tyres, the ones that are now pointing about 45 deg to the right...), and, er does!
With DSC on, not only would the gross overspeed of the rear tyres be prevented, but the DSC would also deliberately use the brakes to lock an individual front wheel (and the rear cross axle locker) to damp out the impeding "Uncontrollable" yaw before it actually built to a level that resulted in LoC.
Having replayed that a few times I reckon he has mistakenly changed down into second gear instead of changing into 4th, watch his left hand pull the paddle, he's already accelerating quite hard so revs are high then he downshifts and spins up the rear wheels and the car breaks traction. He doesn't have the ability to control it and wasn't expecting it to happen which is probably what caught him out.
I have watched clip over and over....trying to figure out what the guy should have done to save the situation.
I have come to the conclusion that prevention is better than cure. It looked like the game was up from the moment the wheels spun up and the rear just stepped out a little bit to the right. He backs off and adds a very small steering correction to the right. The rear then snaps back violently to the left, which is when he puts the big left correction in but, by that time, he is just a passenger.
If i had been in the driver's seat when any of that happened, I have a feeling the outcome would have been the same. I wouldn't have been able to do any better.
He shouldn't of got himself into that situation, in the first place but, I do feel sorry for the driver.
I have come to the conclusion that prevention is better than cure. It looked like the game was up from the moment the wheels spun up and the rear just stepped out a little bit to the right. He backs off and adds a very small steering correction to the right. The rear then snaps back violently to the left, which is when he puts the big left correction in but, by that time, he is just a passenger.
If i had been in the driver's seat when any of that happened, I have a feeling the outcome would have been the same. I wouldn't have been able to do any better.
He shouldn't of got himself into that situation, in the first place but, I do feel sorry for the driver.
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