Brighton Ferrari Idiot

[okgo]

There is 'nothing' to feel sorry for.

It is a 20mph limit, there are other people around, people that don't deserve to be hit by a car through zero fault of their own. This person is a total . There is nothing more to it than that.

[jeremy996]

J4CKO said:

Stuff like an Audi S3 is pretty idiot proof, can go very, very fast in one of those with zero car control skill, a lad my son knows has one as his first car, drives like a loon, wonder what would happen if he got plonked in a Sierra Cosworth with similar power ?

He'd be dead in short order - with potentially a degree of collateral damage when he crashes into people and scenery.

Back in the '90s I did the accounts for the company car fleet which included a fair number of Ford Cosworths of various flavours, (we bought them discounted in blocks of 5-10, as we could insure them; it was a Lloyds broker). We did not really have control of our motor claims until we sent all our company car drivers for a driving assessment. One or two were banned from driving any company cars! The best sales staff with lousy accident histories were pushed into chauffeur-driven LWB Jaguars or Lexus as they were a liability driving themselves.

A write-off a quarter was not unusual before the company wide assessment in a fleet of 600+ cars; after, less than one a year.

[Durzel]

Slightly better quality video here - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cbguuzMgV-M

You can see right at the start that he's got it in ESC off mode (manettino turned all the way to the right). So basically no driver assist.

No idea why you'd do that on the public road really.

EDIT: He also manually drops a cog on the bridge for some reason, presumably to show off. If you do that you'll take it out of Auto briefly and it'll let you rev it all the way up, and you'll break traction pretty easily. So in summary - terrible driver.

Edited by Durzel on Thursday 29th October 17:03

[evil.edna]

Durzel said:

Slightly better quality video here - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cbguuzMgV-M

You can see that he's got it in ESC off mode. So basically no driver assist.

No idea why you'd do that on the public road really.

Any sympathy I had for the driver has, suddenly, evaporated. What a complete sausage!

[mrporsche]

Has anybody had an airbag go off ?

Is it loud, does it hurt ?

Driving really isnt that difficult

[RumbleOfThunder]

That got away from him very quickly, I'd probably have lost it similarly. Then again I wouldn't be hooning it there with ESC off.

[ddom]

Electronics cannot save stupid.

[SpeckledJim]

ddom said:

Electronics cannot save stupid.

Not when stupid is stupid enough to switch them off, anyway.

[ddom]

SpeckledJim said:

Not when stupid is stupid enough to switch them off, anyway.

Exactly. With cars like this you must be aware, if you have half a brain that unless it's warm, dry and you're on a track you are unlikely to be able to handle it with the electronics, let alone be aggressive without them? A few feet either way and he would have killed the cyclist, end result prison term and a family without a father, bother, husband. For what, a moment of showboating which nobody gives a st about in entirely the wrong place?

No sympathy. He was very lucky indeed.

[Dave Hedgehog]

ntiz said:

If you keep your foot in there is only so much the computers can do for you.

they can totally kill power and apply brakes as needed, faster than you can blink

any half decent ESP would have stopped that

i have had compression caused instant 75 degree snap oversteer, vastly more violent than the vid, that was caught by the ESP

[Superhoop]

mrporsche said:

Has anybody had an airbag go off ?

Is it loud, does it hurt ?

Driving really isn't that difficult

Had one go off in an accident - No..

Have I set loads off.. Yes.. Always a good part of air bag training courses.. Especially when someone isn't watching what's going on..

Are they loud - Yes when you deliberately set them off they go with a pretty good bang in isolation.. But to be honest, you probably wouldn't even register the noise if they went off in an accident, as the other noises of the impact are also pretty loud in comparison

[ddom]

Dave Hedgehog said:

they can totally kill power and apply brakes as needed, faster than you can blink

any half decent ESP would have stopped that

i have had compression caused instant 75 degree snap oversteer, vastly more violent than the vid, that was caught by the ESP

Quite like clip with Steve Sutcliffe in a Gallardo the way it goes away from him is quite remarkable.

Leave the ESP on

[RobM77]

Moulder said:

Max_Torque said:

Short answer: yes


In this "accident" (and it was no accident) the car does EXACTLY what the driver asks. He floors it aggressively in a low gear, the rear wheels spin, the rear slowly drifts sideways down the road camber, and then the driver hamfistidly snaps in a HUGE handwheel input (fully 180 deg of oppo, in a car with a very fast steering rack....) and also suddenly lifts off completely at the same moment. The car "hears" this request to suuddenly turn right as sharply as it can (because all the weight has now transfered onto those front tyres, the ones that are now pointing about 45 deg to the right...), and, er does!

With DSC on, not only would the gross overspeed of the rear tyres be prevented, but the DSC would also deliberately use the brakes to lock an individual front wheel (and the rear cross axle locker) to damp out the impeding "Uncontrollable" yaw before it actually built to a level that resulted in LoC.

Nice post, thanks.

He started by doing what he should do, which is keep the front wheels pointing where he wanted the car to go, and for a few tenths of a second it all looked fine, and in motorsport terms at least, totally normal for hard straight line acceleration from low speed - a little oppo is nothing unusual in that situation. However, he then suddenly puts in a huge righthand steering input, coinciding with a lift, which is what caused the crash. His subsequent attempt to save it was never going to work - it was that initial massive input that did it.

My guess is that the initial fairly nice gentle correction was instinctive, and the huge input and a lift came when his conscious brain caught up and panicked.