RE: Bugatti Bolide: 1,850hp, 1,240kg, more than 310mph
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Kent Border Kenny said:
selym said:
Driving a Tesla I'd imagine you don't do jokes.
And driving a Skoda you’re probably sick of them.I don’t actually drive the Tesla any more, the Range Rover, Mercedes and McLaren have taken over nowadays.
Kent Border Kenny said:
Kawasicki said:
The McLaren accelerates slower, at all speeds, any video evidence showing otherwise is false.
There is no "close" in that regard.
Yes, you keep claiming this, but it’s not clear where you are getting your definitive facts from.There is no "close" in that regard.
Power to weight favours the McLaren, and the video above bears this out.
You are writing as though you have experience of both, so is the diesel golf that you list some sort of inside joke that I’m just not getting?
Also, it's a little bit sad and insecure of you to bring up the car I drive.
selym said:
I don't actually drive the Skoda any more, it was sent to the automotive cemetery. I guarantee it gave me less problems than your McLaren - driving that back to the dealer to get the windows fixed would make me sick.
It’s given me zero problems at all though, so you’d be wrong. I’ve. If you picked your Skoda over a McLaren based on reliability though I don’t really think that this is the site for you.Kent Border Kenny said:
Yes, you keep claiming this, but it’s not clear where you are getting your definitive facts from.
Power to weight favours the McLaren, and the video above bears this out.
You are writing as though you have experience of both, so is the diesel golf that you list some sort of inside joke that I’m just not getting?
Power to weight is only one factor, and it's not even the most relevant when considering top speed, or acceleration above a certain point.Power to weight favours the McLaren, and the video above bears this out.
You are writing as though you have experience of both, so is the diesel golf that you list some sort of inside joke that I’m just not getting?
A human being can produce 1bhp, not constantly, which is really the definition, but still, I can generate about 1bhp for a short while.
And I weigh about 65kg.
So I produce about 15bhp/tonne
As does a 375cc Citroen 2CV.
Guess which has the higher top speed though?
Considering acceleration using only power to weight ignores friction. Does your car accelerate at the same rate from 100mph as it does from 20mph?
There's more to it than that.
Kent Border Kenny said:
selym said:
I don't actually drive the Skoda any more, it was sent to the automotive cemetery. I guarantee it gave me less problems than your McLaren - driving that back to the dealer to get the windows fixed would make me sick.
It’s given me zero problems at all though, so you’d be wrong. I’ve. If you picked your Skoda over a McLaren based on reliability though I don’t really think that this is the site for you.Back to the Bolide eh?
Hazmat1 said:
Stay humble ;-)
As mentioned on another thread, there’s this bizarre tendency for people to try to talk down nice cars, as though there must be something wrong with them, and then people get all upset if anyone responds in kind.As absolutely no-one will be surprised to find out, I didn’t buy my Tesla to cross continents, by Range Rover to be a nippy city car, my Mercedes to go round a race track well, or my McLaren for it’s supposed reliability.
They are each cars that do some things well, and some things less well, and I’d expect anyone into cars to both understand this, and to appreciate the talents even of cars that they don’t want to own themselves.
God knows what Mr Angry up there would have to say about the Smart car that we have...
Hazmat1 said:
Kent Border Kenny said:
selym said:
Driving a Tesla I'd imagine you don't do jokes.
And driving a Skoda you’re probably sick of them.I don’t actually drive the Tesla any more, the Range Rover, Mercedes and McLaren have taken over nowadays.
Not sure how the thread suddenly veered off, but back to the original subject :
Amazing numbers ,no doubt,but if I were a multi billionaire car fan, what would I do with it? No organized race series,track only. Presumably great skill to reach its performance limits.
Feels a bit like having a pet leopard. Striking to look at but not very practical,and can’t bring it out on the street .
For a track car that would be usable and that would cost millions, why not splash out and get a 917 or the like ? Maybe with some provenance?
Amazing numbers ,no doubt,but if I were a multi billionaire car fan, what would I do with it? No organized race series,track only. Presumably great skill to reach its performance limits.
Feels a bit like having a pet leopard. Striking to look at but not very practical,and can’t bring it out on the street .
For a track car that would be usable and that would cost millions, why not splash out and get a 917 or the like ? Maybe with some provenance?
Kent Border Kenny said:
TyrannosauRoss Lex said:
2.5 to 60mph vs 3.2, 0-100mph in about 5.6 vs 6.7. 4WD for the Veyron too and a better gearbox for standing starts. It is most definitely correct.
3.2 0-100? That doesn’t match any figures that I’ve seen for the Veyron, I thought that it was about 4.7.Kent Border Kenny said:
Kawasicki said:
Yep, it's not even close.
McLaren F1 3.4 S 0-100 km/h, 9.4 S 0- 200 km/h, 23 S 0-300 km/h
Bugatti Veyron 2.5 S 0-100 km/h, 7.3 S 0- 200 km/h,16.7 S 0-300 km/h
Having now watched the video, it’s as I thought, the F1 was ahead up to 150mph, and it was very definitely “close.”McLaren F1 3.4 S 0-100 km/h, 9.4 S 0- 200 km/h, 23 S 0-300 km/h
Bugatti Veyron 2.5 S 0-100 km/h, 7.3 S 0- 200 km/h,16.7 S 0-300 km/h
RDMcG said:
Not sure how the thread suddenly veered off, but back to the original subject :
Amazing numbers ,no doubt,but if I were a multi billionaire car fan, what would I do with it? No organized race series,track only. Presumably great skill to reach its performance limits.
Feels a bit like having a pet leopard. Striking to look at but not very practical,and can’t bring it out on the street .
For a track car that would be usable and that would cost millions, why not splash out and get a 917 or the like ? Maybe with some provenance?
You'd imagine that those who can afford a Bolide probably have a 917 and a pet leopard as well.Amazing numbers ,no doubt,but if I were a multi billionaire car fan, what would I do with it? No organized race series,track only. Presumably great skill to reach its performance limits.
Feels a bit like having a pet leopard. Striking to look at but not very practical,and can’t bring it out on the street .
For a track car that would be usable and that would cost millions, why not splash out and get a 917 or the like ? Maybe with some provenance?
RDMcG said:
For a track car that would be usable and that would cost millions, why not splash out and get a 917 or the like ? Maybe with some provenance?
A 917 certainly has provenance as a bona fide race car, and would be eligible for historic racing.On the downside it's going to need significantly more spannering (probably a pit crew to maintain it), will be much harder to drive quickly (which may be part of the appeal), and it's also incredibly unsafe by today's standards (or even that of the 1980s).
TyrannosauRoss Lex said:
d'oh, I meant kp/h
That makes more sense.I looked up the 0-100-0 times of the Veyron and 720s the other day. I’ve forgotten the exact numbers, but it was actually very close.
As amazing as the Veyron is, “normal” super cars that have kept pursuing the low weight formula have actually crept up on it now.
Of course, Bugatti’s moved on too, as with the subject of this thread.
Kent Border Kenny said:
Hazmat1 said:
Stay humble ;-)
As mentioned on another thread, there’s this bizarre tendency for people to try to talk down nice cars, as though there must be something wrong with them, and then people get all upset if anyone responds in kind.As absolutely no-one will be surprised to find out, I didn’t buy my Tesla to cross continents, by Range Rover to be a nippy city car, my Mercedes to go round a race track well, or my McLaren for it’s supposed reliability.
They are each cars that do some things well, and some things less well, and I’d expect anyone into cars to both understand this, and to appreciate the talents even of cars that they don’t want to own themselves.
God knows what Mr Angry up there would have to say about the Smart car that we have...
selym said:
I think you imagined me talking down nice cars, unless of course I'm due a parrot and you are talking about someone else - I guess you are because I'm the least angry person you'll ever meet.
selym said:
I guarantee it gave me less problems than your McLaren - driving that back to the dealer to get the windows fixed would make me sick.
The second quote from you is you inventing a problem with my McLaren, to talk it down. You referred to a car with no problems, and decided to make one up. What was that for if not talking it down?Kent Border Kenny said:
selym said:
I think you imagined me talking down nice cars, unless of course I'm due a parrot and you are talking about someone else - I guess you are because I'm the least angry person you'll ever meet.
selym said:
I guarantee it gave me less problems than your McLaren - driving that back to the dealer to get the windows fixed would make me sick.
The second quote from you is you inventing a problem with my McLaren, to talk it down. You referred to a car with no problems, and decided to make one up. What was that for if not talking it down?Olivera said:
A 917 certainly has provenance as a bona fide race car, and would be eligible for historic racing.
On the downside it's going to need significantly more spannering (probably a pit crew to maintain it), will be much harder to drive quickly (which may be part of the appeal), and it's also incredibly unsafe by today's standards (or even that of the 1980s).
All true of course..I have talked to some of the drivers who completed in them in their prime. Still, between the Bugatti and the 917 there have to be a suitable track worthy car that is also readable, and for the money here my personal reference would be something that was not track only. Purely hyopthetical...I am not and never will be in the market for a car of this presumed cost.On the downside it's going to need significantly more spannering (probably a pit crew to maintain it), will be much harder to drive quickly (which may be part of the appeal), and it's also incredibly unsafe by today's standards (or even that of the 1980s).
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