Dont buy cheap wheel spacers...or else!

Dont buy cheap wheel spacers...or else!

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grudas

1,309 posts

169 months

Friday 30th October 2020
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You sure they were torqued up properly? They usually have very limited and specific torque.. 95nm is what I've seen on the ones I've had.

Olivera

7,174 posts

240 months

Friday 30th October 2020
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Nicks90 said:
Spacers are banned by the MSA. Why?

They deem them unsafe. Nuff said
I've just checked the 2020 MSA regs and the general rule is:

"Not be fitted with any wheel spacer exceeding 2.5cm in thickness or of less than hub diameter"

Porsche even fitted the 997 GT3 and GT3 RS with wheel spacers from the factory!

LaurasOtherHalf

21,429 posts

197 months

Friday 30th October 2020
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KC_TypeR said:
LaurasOtherHalf said:
I hate to be that guy, but jesus wept man take some responsibility for yourself and your family.

Driving around in a car with grinding sounds coming from a wheel, picking up children while it's happening, never mind the damage a wheel hitting the pavement at 30mph would do to someone minding their own business.
I agree it's an unnecessary risk, but fitting high quality spacers (which o should have done) isn't any more dangerous than fitting heavier aftermarket wheels with different offsets than stock wheels. Would you say that is also irresponsible?

I fully accept my stupidity for fitting cheap eBay spacers but that doesn't really stop the fact that anyone can go and buy the same inferior spacers and something much worse happen to them. I'm not on here seeking sympathy I'm warning others. You don't like wheel spacers fitted to your car? Good for you.
I have no issues with spacers, no matter where they were bought from.

You drove in a car that made a grinding noise from a wheel for three months and didn't get it fixed, that's who I have an issue sharing the road with.

KC_TypeR

Original Poster:

119 posts

60 months

Friday 30th October 2020
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LaurasOtherHalf said:
I have no issues with spacers, no matter where they were bought from.

You drove in a car that made a grinding noise from a wheel for three months and didn't get it fixed, that's who I have an issue sharing the road with.
Car has been taken to two trusted local garages who drove the car and tested it with no clue but said it was OK to drive, after which I removed both rear wheels to double-check hub/control arms etc. Plan was to take to Lexus Birmingham this weekend. Yeah, I guess I should have just scrapped the car and bought a new 2020 model.

I suspected it might have been a worn bushing which was causing the grinding which although affects alignment is safe to drive on until replacement.

Are you also a hypochondriac per chance?

LaurasOtherHalf

21,429 posts

197 months

Friday 30th October 2020
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KC_TypeR said:
LaurasOtherHalf said:
I have no issues with spacers, no matter where they were bought from.

You drove in a car that made a grinding noise from a wheel for three months and didn't get it fixed, that's who I have an issue sharing the road with.
Car has been taken to two trusted local garages who drove the car and tested it with no clue but said it was OK to drive, after which I removed both rear wheels to double-check hub/control arms etc. Plan was to take to Lexus Birmingham this weekend. Yeah, I guess I should have just scrapped the car and bought a new 2020 model.

I suspected it might have been a worn bushing which was causing the grinding which although affects alignment is safe to drive on until replacement.

Are you also a hypochondriac per chance?
Na, I just don't bother driving my kids around in unroadworthy vehicles. We're all different I guess thumbup

CrutyRammers

13,735 posts

199 months

Friday 30th October 2020
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Evercross said:
Using spacers to alter a wheel offset to make it compatible with another car is no different to the wheel being cast with the same extra metal already on it to bring the offset to spec, in terms of load on the bearing.

As long as longer bolts of a decent quality and tensile strength are used and the spacer locates on the hub spigot, and has a duplicate spigot on its face for the wheel to sit on there is no safety issue there whatsoever.

Using a spacer to take the face of a wheel further out than it would be as standard is a different matter though.

I'm also not convinced of the efficacy of the spacer used by the OP that attaches to hub studs and then has duplicate studs - just looks to me like more failure points, which is exactly what happened here.

Edited by Evercross on Friday 30th October 18:53
Yes, this. I've used bolt through ones on my dax because I couldn't get the right size wheels with the right offsets. Makes no difference providing the bolts are correctly specced.
I'd certainly agree that the ones with their own studs in as per the op look pretty poor however.

anonymous-user

55 months

Friday 30th October 2020
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LaurasOtherHalf said:
I have no issues with spacers, no matter where they were bought from.
There are loads of unsafe car parts available for anyone who's daft enough to buy them. Includes many spacers.

Driver101

14,376 posts

122 months

Friday 30th October 2020
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I guess this is the reason that insurance companies hate wheel spacers.

Some don't touch them and others increase the premium much higher than what good power gains cost to cover.

ddom

6,657 posts

49 months

Friday 30th October 2020
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Wheel spacers are just ste. If the car was meant to have a wider track it would have. No better than LED washers IMO

anonymous-user

55 months

Friday 30th October 2020
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Driver101 said:
I guess this is the reason that insurance companies hate wheel spacers.
Yes, but Samoht says "it's a cheap and super-effective way to make your car look better" so it must be OK. Innit.

SAS Tom

3,409 posts

175 months

Friday 30th October 2020
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Driver101 said:
I guess this is the reason that insurance companies hate wheel spacers.

Some don't touch them and others increase the premium much higher than what good power gains cost to cover.
Funny that, I’ve just renewed my insurance and the company added no extra premium for wheel spacers.

SlimJim16v

5,689 posts

144 months

Friday 30th October 2020
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There are TUV approved spacers, why use anything else.

grudas

1,309 posts

169 months

Friday 30th October 2020
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Driver101 said:
I guess this is the reason that insurance companies hate wheel spacers.

Some don't touch them and others increase the premium much higher than what good power gains cost to cover.
No change from my insurer smile

ddom

6,657 posts

49 months

Friday 30th October 2020
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it's amusing. Someone will fit forged wheels then add 200g of utter garbage and increase unsprung weight. Lose, lose. biggrin

anonymous-user

55 months

Friday 30th October 2020
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As said there is nothing wrong with spacers, it's no different to having a different offset wheel.

That type of spacer however is of a poor design type and not a good idea.

Mave

8,209 posts

216 months

Friday 30th October 2020
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Out off interest, what were you doing with the copaslip in the second photo?

And what do the stud fracture surfaces look like?

Edited by Mave on Friday 30th October 21:53

Ellb123

117 posts

80 months

Friday 30th October 2020
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You took it to two garages that didn't notice missing wheel nuts/studs?!

Something not right here

Glosphil

4,369 posts

235 months

Friday 30th October 2020
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Elatino1 said:
As said there is nothing wrong with spacers, it's no different to having a different offset wheel.

That type of spacer however is of a poor design type and not a good idea.
Of course there is a difference - extra weight & 2 extra mating faces.

KC_TypeR

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119 posts

60 months

Friday 30th October 2020
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Ellb123 said:
You took it to two garages that didn't notice missing wheel nuts/studs?!

Something not right here
You've completely misunderstood the situation.

KC_TypeR

Original Poster:

119 posts

60 months

Friday 30th October 2020
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Mave said:
Out off interest, what were you doing with the copaslip in the second photo?

And what do the stud fracture surfaces look like?

Edited by Mave on Friday 30th October 21:53
Copper grease applied to centre of brake disc to avoid corrosion between two mating surfaces.