RE: 2021 Toyota GR Yaris | UK Review

[apex_mb]

ecsrobin said:

coded2112 said:

I have a test drive this Sunday! Can't wait!! it is a toss up between this and the Alpine A110 at the moment

Only problem i don't want to sell my Mini GP1 but pressure is mounting from she who must be obeyed!! I might have to hide it and lie

I think the my heart wants an Alpine but my head/wallet a Yaris!! I also think it will be my daily drive which is around 16-18k a year, so might suit the Toyota better, particularly the 5 year warranty and 100k miles

The Alpine does kill it for looks though!

Don’t forget the Toyota will be 3 services a year at that mileage although they aren’t exactly pricey.

Not to mention the fuel consumption and consumables. The Alpine is just brilliant in that regard, it does normal journeys so effectively, but you will get stung with the higher rate £40k+ VED surcharge. You can get extended warranties from Alpine too and they aren't ridiculously priced from what I remember. I'm under no illusions that the GR will likely cost more to run than the A110.

[ecsrobin]

bogeyman said:

Anyone know what the service schedule on a GR is or how often things like the diffs need oil changing/associated cost?

Every 6,500 miles or every year plus a safety check every 6 months for £50.

Think it’s just oil changes the first 2 then more items on the 3rd from memory. The schedule has been posted a few times.

[C5L]

ecsrobin said:

Every 6,500 miles or every year plus a safety check every 6 months for £50.

Think it’s just oil changes the first 2 then more items on the 3rd from memory. The schedule has been posted a few times.

understandable when you consider how hard the thing is going to get driven !

[Bodo]

I was surprised to find the WRC homologation unicorn in that database -

Cost prediction for the GR Yaris by ADAC for Germany (not sure if there is a comparable source for the UK)
based on keeping the car for 60 months and driving 15k km (9375mls) /year

Of course, this must be more speculative than predicting the cost for an average Golf. Tax/ins/fuel/maintenance should be solid though

deprecation (or leasing) 338€
running cost (fuel, ...) 154€
tax 18€
insurance fully comp @50% 140€
insp. & maintenance 22€
repair 32€
tyres 48€

Total: 752€/month
60.2ct/km

Compared to a MINI JCW (699€/month) or a Civic Type R (850€/month), the Yaris' deprecation is lowest, but all other costs are higher for both the J-cars. Based on that, the Yaris could be the better choice with lower mileages, the JCW the cheaper option for higher mileages.

[coded2112]

apex_mb said:

ecsrobin said:

coded2112 said:

I have a test drive this Sunday! Can't wait!! it is a toss up between this and the Alpine A110 at the moment

Only problem i don't want to sell my Mini GP1 but pressure is mounting from she who must be obeyed!! I might have to hide it and lie

I think the my heart wants an Alpine but my head/wallet a Yaris!! I also think it will be my daily drive which is around 16-18k a year, so might suit the Toyota better, particularly the 5 year warranty and 100k miles

The Alpine does kill it for looks though!

Don’t forget the Toyota will be 3 services a year at that mileage although they aren’t exactly pricey.

Not to mention the fuel consumption and consumables. The Alpine is just brilliant in that regard, it does normal journeys so effectively, but you will get stung with the higher rate £40k+ VED surcharge. You can get extended warranties from Alpine too and they aren't ridiculously priced from what I remember. I'm under no illusions that the GR will likely cost more to run than the A110.

I wish I had kept my mouth shut!! Lol The GP has not been cheap on fuel, varies between 10 mpg on track to 32 on commute if i am gentle.
Has been reasonably reliable, athough recently had a radiator, alternator etc,
Hence why i am thinking about hopefully retiring it and getting something different, i am used to running costs having had a couple of TVR's...
Just want a fun smiles per mile car i can enjoy really, but thanks for all the tips...

[cidered77]

apex_mb said:

ecsrobin said:

coded2112 said:

I have a test drive this Sunday! Can't wait!! it is a toss up between this and the Alpine A110 at the moment

Only problem i don't want to sell my Mini GP1 but pressure is mounting from she who must be obeyed!! I might have to hide it and lie

I think the my heart wants an Alpine but my head/wallet a Yaris!! I also think it will be my daily drive which is around 16-18k a year, so might suit the Toyota better, particularly the 5 year warranty and 100k miles

The Alpine does kill it for looks though!

Don’t forget the Toyota will be 3 services a year at that mileage although they aren’t exactly pricey.

Not to mention the fuel consumption and consumables. The Alpine is just brilliant in that regard, it does normal journeys so effectively, but you will get stung with the higher rate £40k+ VED surcharge. You can get extended warranties from Alpine too and they aren't ridiculously priced from what I remember. I'm under no illusions that the GR will likely cost more to run than the A110.

am also deciding between the two, but having driven both now on extended test drives am going with the Alpine (reasons posted above).

On running costs - hmm, not so sure, I do have a little car TCO spreadsheet, and whilst the VED is a b1tch for the Alpine, it will be more economical which makes a small difference, and i was a bit surprised by the service interval frequency for the Yaris. Somelike like 6.5k miles/6 month checkups.

And then there's depreciation. For low depreciation you need high desirability, perceived lower risk of issues (perception not reality!), but also a mismatch of supply and demand . Both are highly desirable and have great press, service intervals aside, the Toyota surely will be bulletproof, and despite the iT's a rENaULT crowd, i see no concerns on the french car in that respect.

But on supply and demand - it's all about numbers. If Toyota keep making them it will depreciate slowly, but still depreciate.The Alpine already looks to holding up really well - cars rarely less than 45k for a 50-52k price. There is demand, but not much supply - 90 cars sold this year; 134 last. Toyota will shift 600 GRs in just a few months of 2020!

Anyway - round about way of saying i don't expect over 3-5 years there will be such a huge gap in total cost of ownership. So pick the one that suits you best.

[coded2112]

cidered77 said:

apex_mb said:

ecsrobin said:

coded2112 said:

I have a test drive this Sunday! Can't wait!! it is a toss up between this and the Alpine A110 at the moment

Only problem i don't want to sell my Mini GP1 but pressure is mounting from she who must be obeyed!! I might have to hide it and lie

I think the my heart wants an Alpine but my head/wallet a Yaris!! I also think it will be my daily drive which is around 16-18k a year, so might suit the Toyota better, particularly the 5 year warranty and 100k miles

The Alpine does kill it for looks though!

Don’t forget the Toyota will be 3 services a year at that mileage although they aren’t exactly pricey.

Not to mention the fuel consumption and consumables. The Alpine is just brilliant in that regard, it does normal journeys so effectively, but you will get stung with the higher rate £40k+ VED surcharge. You can get extended warranties from Alpine too and they aren't ridiculously priced from what I remember. I'm under no illusions that the GR will likely cost more to run than the A110.

am also deciding between the two, but having driven both now on extended test drives am going with the Alpine (reasons posted above).

On running costs - hmm, not so sure, I do have a little car TCO spreadsheet, and whilst the VED is a b1tch for the Alpine, it will be more economical which makes a small difference, and i was a bit surprised by the service interval frequency for the Yaris. Somelike like 6.5k miles/6 month checkups.

And then there's depreciation. For low depreciation you need high desirability, perceived lower risk of issues (perception not reality!), but also a mismatch of supply and demand . Both are highly desirable and have great press, service intervals aside, the Toyota surely will be bulletproof, and despite the iT's a rENaULT crowd, i see no concerns on the french car in that respect.

But on supply and demand - it's all about numbers. If Toyota keep making them it will depreciate slowly, but still depreciate.The Alpine already looks to holding up really well - cars rarely less than 45k for a 50-52k price. There is demand, but not much supply - 90 cars sold this year; 134 last. Toyota will shift 600 GRs in just a few months of 2020!

Anyway - round about way of saying i don't expect over 3-5 years there will be such a huge gap in total cost of ownership. So pick the one that suits you best.

Thanks for the reply, interesting, i am sure i will eventually decide once i have driven both, i am swaying with each article i read, and also i then get back into my GP and love that!

Need to persuade her indoors to let me keep that too then i can just get on and make a decision

I am surprised at the service interval on the Yaris! It seems to be 20k km on Alpine, so at least half the number... but you do save that on VED

The smile on my face will make the decision...

[cidered77]

coded2112 said:

Thanks for the reply, interesting, i am sure i will eventually decide once i have driven both, i am swaying with each article i read, and also i then get back into my GP and love that!

Need to persuade her indoors to let me keep that too then i can just get on and make a decision

I am surprised at the service interval on the Yaris! It seems to be 20k km on Alpine, so at least half the number... but you do save that on VED

The smile on my face will make the decision...

my two line summary , and how it led to my preference:

GRs USP is all about absolutely bonkers grip and just pure speed. Fun whilst you have a license!

Alpine USP is all about low weight. Glides over bumps; you feel its skinny tyres shifting about when you take a bend at speed. Steering super direct as well. For me personally, I found that most interesting and desirable.

I wouldn't be upset with both however

[Speedgelb]

cidered77 said:

And it's very fast. 3 up, and probably 300kg of bloke it in, and it was rapid. The other two made up 215kg of that, so on my own would have felt way quicker than its 0-60 suggests am sure.

How was the bloke in the back, for room (and how tall was he / the person in front of him)? Was under the impression that the rear seats were there just for the sake of having rear seats, but it sounds like they're at least somewhat useable. Don't need another car, but due to some unfathomable reason, am really lusting after a GR. The 0% deals are making it even more tempting.

ecsrobin said:

The schedule has been posted a few times.

Do you have a link / screenshot? Did try looking for this a few days ago, but didn't have any luck.

[rodericb]

cidered77 said:

my two line summary , and how it led to my preference:

GRs USP is all about absolutely bonkers grip and just pure speed. Fun whilst you have a license!

Alpine USP is all about low weight. Glides over bumps; you feel its skinny tyres shifting about when you take a bend at speed. Steering super direct as well. For me personally, I found that most interesting and desirable.

I wouldn't be upset with both however

The Alpine is sold here in Australia and if one was tossing up between a GR and an Alpine, the Alpine costs more than twice as much as the GR. My GR was in the special price lot so an Alpine would be triple the price of a GR!

[Pommy]

rodericb said:

cidered77 said:

my two line summary , and how it led to my preference:

GRs USP is all about absolutely bonkers grip and just pure speed. Fun whilst you have a license!

Alpine USP is all about low weight. Glides over bumps; you feel its skinny tyres shifting about when you take a bend at speed. Steering super direct as well. For me personally, I found that most interesting and desirable.

I wouldn't be upset with both however

The Alpine is sold here in Australia and if one was tossing up between a GR and an Alpine, the Alpine costs more than twice as much as the GR. My GR was in the special price lot so an Alpine would be triple the price of a GR!

You should sell yours if you got one of the $40k ones as there are 4 on Carsales for $57k and you can move straight into a Rallye when its out

[Baldchap]

Bodo said:

I was surprised to find the WRC homologation unicorn in that database -

Cost prediction for the GR Yaris by ADAC for Germany (not sure if there is a comparable source for the UK)
based on keeping the car for 60 months and driving 15k km (9375mls) /year

Of course, this must be more speculative than predicting the cost for an average Golf. Tax/ins/fuel/maintenance should be solid though

deprecation (or leasing) 338€
running cost (fuel, ...) 154€
tax 18€
insurance fully comp @50% 140€
insp. & maintenance 22€
repair 32€
tyres 48€

Total: 752€/month
60.2ct/km

Compared to a MINI JCW (699€/month) or a Civic Type R (850€/month), the Yaris' deprecation is lowest, but all other costs are higher for both the J-cars. Based on that, the Yaris could be the better choice with lower mileages, the JCW the cheaper option for higher mileages.

€1680 a year for insurance? I don't expect mine to be a quarter that for F/C any driver - my RS4 certainly isn't!

[bogeyman]

ecsrobin said:

Every 6,500 miles or every year plus a safety check every 6 months for £50.

Think it’s just oil changes the first 2 then more items on the 3rd from memory. The schedule has been posted a few times.

Thanks for this. A friend had a Evo 6 TME when they came out and I vaguely remember oil services were 4,500 miles.

Drove one this morning and the engine on this thing is amazing. A few downsides - visibilty is rubbish front and rear. Seat could be better and sit too high. Really needed more than the 30 mins to get the feel for it. I was surprised they let me go out on my own in it

Speedgelb said:

Do you have a link / screenshot? Did try looking for this a few days ago, but didn't have any luck.

This is what Toyota say: “Safety checks are required every 6 months. These usually cost £50, but are free when included within a service. Interim services should be conducted every 6,000 miles or every 12 months, whichever comes first. Full services should be carried out every 12,00 miles or 24 months, again, whichever comes first. Interim services will cost £165, and full services will cost £375.”

Edited by bogeyman on Saturday 12th December 13:02

[Bodo]

Baldchap said:

€1680 a year for insurance? I don't expect mine to be a quarter that for F/C any driver - my RS4 certainly isn't!

It's a value for comparison, so based on a claim-free history of three years. It's in the same risk class as the RS4 though; probably because it's a) a hothatch (=likely to end backwards in a hedge), and b) low volume production with many unique parts (=high repair cost).
My insurance quoted €512/year or £39/month fully comp with any driver (which is standard in DE, as the ins is on the car, and not a person). Still a lot for a Yaris!

[coded2112]

Had a test drive on Sunday, bought one! Great fun car, looking forward to getting it! Not looking forward to the wait, August 2021!

Hoping for a cancelled order!! I was 4th person to drive it on Sunday and they reckon they had sold 3 that morning!!!!

Lovely gear shift, felt very sorted and grippy, i am no test driver but it made me smile, so i went for it...

Circuit Pack in red!!

[Onehp]

coded2112 said:

bought one!

Want me to add you to the list on the other thread?

[coded2112]

Onehp said:

coded2112 said:

bought one!

Want me to add you to the list on the other thread?

Yes no problem! Which other thread lol so i can have a read please.

Thanks

[ecsrobin]

coded2112 said:

Yes no problem! Which other thread lol so i can have a read please.

Thanks

In the big thread. https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...

Should take a few weeks to read.

[sledge68]

How do you feel now that the dealers are reportedly selling 5 a day and all the reviews are praising the car.

ITP said:

Looks fun, but I’m not sure at 32-33k.
Civic type R GT seems a to be more car around that price, I think.

[Captain Obvious]

sledge68 said:

How do you feel now that the dealers are reportedly selling 5 a day and all the reviews are praising the car.

ITP said:

Looks fun, but I’m not sure at 32-33k.
Civic type R GT seems a to be more car around that price, I think.

Trying to get someone to openly admit they had bugger all idea what they were talking about ...on the internet?...good luck.