RE: Honda Civic Type R Limited Edition | PH Road Test
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Wills2 said:
That's to 62mph the 0-60 would be 5.5 by either measure it's pretty good for a manual front drive car.
That's why I really don't feel like I want any FWD car! Lack of traction seems to make the power output pretty pointless, and it isn't exactly a looker - unless you loved MaxPower.
Chestrockwell said:
MightyBadger said:
5.7 secs to 60 seems slow, expected it to be a little quicker.
0-60 times mean absolutely nothing, want to know why?The car is only 1380KG (And that's in standard GT trim, not Limited edition) making it much, much lighter than the competition; Better for going, stopping and handling as most of PH would be keen to remind you :P
https://youtu.be/H17MupH1AvU
Haltamer said:
Chestrockwell said:
MightyBadger said:
5.7 secs to 60 seems slow, expected it to be a little quicker.
0-60 times mean absolutely nothing, want to know why?The car is only 1380KG (And that's in standard GT trim, not Limited edition) making it much, much lighter than the competition; Better for going, stopping and handling as most of PH would be keen to remind you :P
https://youtu.be/H17MupH1AvU
After all you aren't going to "have said competition" until you get well past 70 if you get left way behind to 60, and then surely it just depends how lucky you feel!
That's probably why I (maybe foolishly in retrospect) replaced my MK2 Escort RS2000 with a 2.8i Capri, even though I test drove an XR3 - I just hated the FWD lack of traction.
Edited by Mr Tidy on Wednesday 18th November 02:37
Leftfootwonder said:
Yeah fair point on the fake vents but try and find a modern car, even many supercars, that don't have fake vents. Sadly this is a (pointless) design feature of our times and unfair to call out Honda on it when everyone is doing it.
Personally, I'd be parking the Yaris in a very dark corner of the garage but I concede the recipe for driving fun on tight UK roads looks appealing. The Civic is widely regarded as the best in it's class, and has been for over 3 years now, for the simple reason it is a hoot to drive. As with the Yaris, that is all that should matter.
One thing I do love about both cars though is that they are doing their own thing and are unmistakably Japanese which can only be admired.
Edited to add, I assume your forthcoming "Toyota GR" is a Yaris, as the Supra is COVERED in fake vents.
Further edited to add, the Yaris appears to have fake vents above each fog light! Right, I'm off for a cuppa.
I agree that all manufacturers are up to to it, the worse is Audi with their painted on exhaust pipes in the rear bumper!!!Personally, I'd be parking the Yaris in a very dark corner of the garage but I concede the recipe for driving fun on tight UK roads looks appealing. The Civic is widely regarded as the best in it's class, and has been for over 3 years now, for the simple reason it is a hoot to drive. As with the Yaris, that is all that should matter.
One thing I do love about both cars though is that they are doing their own thing and are unmistakably Japanese which can only be admired.
Edited to add, I assume your forthcoming "Toyota GR" is a Yaris, as the Supra is COVERED in fake vents.
Further edited to add, the Yaris appears to have fake vents above each fog light! Right, I'm off for a cuppa.
Less and less choice of cars without such fakery to choose from, Renault have stayed quite honest with their styling, I think their megane RS is the best looking of the full size hatches.
Yes it is the Yaris, I know it is compromised in many ways, but I find the engineering purpose of the car something quite special in todays rat race of shared platform and profit first ethos of every car. A younger me would have probably bought the Honda civic type R, maybe im getting old!!!
I've got to say that this car has grown on me since it launched. Particularly in that blue colour that has been seen on the recent facelift road test cars.
One question to owners however; I've heard a couple of reviewers criticise its wet weather ability, presumably because of the amount of power directed to the front wheels only. However, EVO magazine a few years ago said it was awesome on a wet track. Is it compromised in the wet on road? If so, that for me is the only downside on a car to be enjoyed in the UK where these days the roads are generally wet for most of November to March............
I'm just not quite sure I understand the point in this. I mean obviously it's worked, as they have sold them all, but it does seem a bit half-baked. If they wanted column inches, they probably would have been better off going a bit more mad, like Renault did with the Megane Trophy-R. Taking a Type-R and just making it ride slightly worse, have no stereo and no air con just seems a bit of an odd one. It's not a truly extreme special, nor is it the sublime all-rounder that the regular car is.
The Trophy-R was a stroke of genius. The people that got it, got it, while the people that hated it couldn't stop talking about, generating more clicks and brand awareness for Renault. This seems rather in no-man's land by comparison. People are still moaning about how it looks, but they still would have done that if Honda had left the radio in it.
An opportunity missed perhaps.
And I believe some of the vents are also fake...and it plays engine noise through the speakers. Sadly, all modern performance cars have conceited details nowadays.
The Trophy-R was a stroke of genius. The people that got it, got it, while the people that hated it couldn't stop talking about, generating more clicks and brand awareness for Renault. This seems rather in no-man's land by comparison. People are still moaning about how it looks, but they still would have done that if Honda had left the radio in it.
An opportunity missed perhaps.
British Beef said:
This is why I have put deposit on the Toyota GR, that is 100% function over form and looks brilliant.
Apart from the carbon wrap on the roof And I believe some of the vents are also fake...and it plays engine noise through the speakers. Sadly, all modern performance cars have conceited details nowadays.Mr Tidy said:
That's why I really don't feel like I want any FWD car!
Lack of traction seems to make the power output pretty pointless, and it isn't exactly a looker - unless you loved MaxPower.
How often do you actually do 0-60 sprints though? It's not really a useful metric for the real world. Lack of traction seems to make the power output pretty pointless, and it isn't exactly a looker - unless you loved MaxPower.
My Megane R.S. did a better job of putting its 265PS down to the road than some of the old '90s hot hatches I've owned did with 150. A powerful rear-drive car is still traction limited and, if you have AWD, you run the risk of ending up with things like the Golf R, which are so capable that you can't really enjoy them on the road.
Mr Tidy said:
Wills2 said:
That's to 62mph the 0-60 would be 5.5 by either measure it's pretty good for a manual front drive car.
That's why I really don't feel like I want any FWD car! Lack of traction seems to make the power output pretty pointless, and it isn't exactly a looker - unless you loved MaxPower.
To add some further detail, they recorded 13.6s 1/4 mile @ 104mph so despite it's initial traction disadvantage at launch, it posts nearly exactly the same time and trap speed as your beloved Z4M Coupe...
Rolling acceleration, Autocar tested a standard 2018 type R and recorded a 30-70mph in 4.3 seconds in 3rd gear, the same time as the AWD Focus RS. However what is interesting is the Focus is SLOWER than the Civic from 30-50mph even though it posted a 0.5 second FASTER 0-60, again showing a small traction advantage at launch is soon lost! You may also be interested to know that that Z4M coupe also posts a 30-70mph time of 4.3seconds.
If we delve into the murky world of Nurburgring times there doesn't appear to be a entry for a Z4M COUPE but a roadster did a 8m:15sec, only 30seconds behind the Civic, a e46 M3 CSL is 5seconds behind the Civic to.
So although they achieve the results in a different way , a FWD Civic and a RWD BMW Z4m coupe and a AWD Focus RS are considerably more equal than you think.
aka_kerrly said:
showing a small traction advantage at launch is soon lost!.
This is the point exactly - Whilst 0-60 times are limited by traction, as soon as you're rolling (99% of the time you want to boot it, in other words) there is more than enough traction, fewer drivetrain losses and much reduced drivetrain weight.That translates, in the real world, to big overtaking acceleration and fantastic corner exits. It's a real joy to boot it out of corners with abandon.
Even in the wet / cold, once rolling traction isn't a problem:- I'm slightly up on standard power, and I tend to get a couple of traction control flashes through peak torque in 2nd gear, but certainly nothing terminal - Just enough to keep it interesting.
As has been said, I'm not sure I'd want full AWD - Aside from the weight and powertrain loss, It does seem a little boringly competent, and I'd argue that most traction gains would be countered by the weight etc.
Has PH reported on the new Civic just revealed today, yet?
Gone are the spaceship looks, it is a way more conservative design. In fact it looks much more like the 8th generation car, which was also the last good-looking Type R (in JDM form, at least).
Stick the current Type-R running gear in this, and I would buy one. Its a family car and there is no way my wife would be seen dead in the current one.
Gone are the spaceship looks, it is a way more conservative design. In fact it looks much more like the 8th generation car, which was also the last good-looking Type R (in JDM form, at least).
Stick the current Type-R running gear in this, and I would buy one. Its a family car and there is no way my wife would be seen dead in the current one.
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