Will Coronavirus hit used car prices? (Vol 2)

Will Coronavirus hit used car prices? (Vol 2)

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ghost83

5,478 posts

190 months

Sunday 15th May 2022
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Vroomer said:
Or maybe just the opposite.

There will always be those who prefer ICE to EV, so ICE might surge as used supply diminishes.
There will but look at what the majority will be doing,

Out there on the roads what percentage of new cars are fleet vehicles?
I’d say a large proportion!

What percentage are the pcp’ers that are stuck in the pcp cycle and will have to replace every 3-4yrs?
Again I’d say that’s a large portion

Motability cars again every 3 yrs a large proportion

Whereas private buyers I’d say it’s a smaller percentage and petrolheads are an even smaller percentage

So when manufacturers do away with ice cars the only ppl affected rly are the private buyers and petrol heads because whatever car they’re looking to trade in the dealers won’t give a good trade in price in my opinion!


How many

Earthdweller

13,554 posts

126 months

Sunday 15th May 2022
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av185 said:
Macron said:
Actually no, as very very few people HAVE to buy cars. People may WANT to buy cars, but very few indeed have to. So they won't be forced to do anything. Many will "stick" with what they have.
Unconvincing.
Go on then, convince me why I have to buy a car I’m all ears

Give me a compelling reason why I have too

e-honda

8,897 posts

146 months

Sunday 15th May 2022
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Earthdweller said:
Go on then, convince me why I have to buy a car I’m all ears

Give me a compelling reason why I have too
Because if you aren't going to buy a mecan GTS you won't be taken seriously as a real PHer

Abdul Abulbul Amir

13,179 posts

212 months

Sunday 15th May 2022
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Back to the mortgages, if you have a high ltv you may be better off not paying lump sums off in case the st really hits the fan. Lenders tend to favour a forbearance strategy rather than repossession when they're underwater.

Not an official economic indicator but I'm noticing motorbike trackdays aren't getting booked up anywhere near like last year.

ghost83

5,478 posts

190 months

Sunday 15th May 2022
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Abdul Abulbul Amir said:
Back to the mortgages, if you have a high ltv you may be better off not paying lump sums off in case the st really hits the fan. Lenders tend to favour a forbearance strategy rather than repossession when they're underwater.

Not an official economic indicator but I'm noticing motorbike trackdays aren't getting booked up anywhere near like last year.
My ltv is 29% ultimately it depends on what you want to do doesn’t it and your priorities, for me I’ve owned this house for 9yrs I made the decision back in 2020 to start overpaying and I relinquished my own car for a company car which made me better off, now that rates are going up all I’ve done is increase how much I overpay which is lowering the payments, I’m personally happy with what I’m doing

Macron

9,876 posts

166 months

Sunday 15th May 2022
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av185 said:
Unconvincing.
Well I suppose I could permanently spout my own opinion as fact and use 20 specialist, expensive impractical cars for sale as a permanent barometer for an entire market, but I still have never met anyone who woke in the morning to find someone holding a gun to their head, telling them they absolutely HAD to buy a new car.

e-honda

8,897 posts

146 months

Sunday 15th May 2022
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Macron said:
Well I suppose I could permanently spout my own opinion as fact and use 20 specialist, expensive impractical cars for sale as a permanent barometer for an entire market, but I still have never met anyone who woke in the morning to find someone holding a gun to their head, telling them they absolutely HAD to buy a new car.
Once you've bought 1 car that way nothing else can compares. Tried choking myself test driving a model S, didn't buy it.

thelostboy

4,569 posts

225 months

Sunday 15th May 2022
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Just to add some real world experience, I work at a car supermarket and other than a couple of months last year, the last two month's have been record months. This month has been a bit slower, which is no surprise given the mass of confidence-sapping world events.

There will be a gentle decline of used car prices, but the fact remains that there was virtually nothing built in the last couple of years. That virtually makes a '19 plate car a '21 plate car. Appreciate that is hard to accept, even as someone who deals with it everyday.

ghost83

5,478 posts

190 months

Monday 16th May 2022
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thelostboy said:
Just to add some real world experience, I work at a car supermarket and other than a couple of months last year, the last two month's have been record months. This month has been a bit slower, which is no surprise given the mass of confidence-sapping world events.

There will be a gentle decline of used car prices, but the fact remains that there was virtually nothing built in the last couple of years. That virtually makes a '19 plate car a '21 plate car. Appreciate that is hard to accept, even as someone who deals with it everyday.
How many cars did your place sell in jan/feb/March/April?

As I said earlier in the thread in March or April I can’t remember which Tbf the bodyshop next to us works with Arnold Clarke, they told him usually they sell 600 cars a month but that month they only sold 200 and expect not to sell 600 again for quite some time

Crusoe

4,068 posts

231 months

Monday 16th May 2022
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Honda with 300+ miles of range for £20k, potentially lots waiting for something like that. https://asia.nikkei.com/Spotlight/Electric-cars-in...

Teebs

4,370 posts

215 months

Monday 16th May 2022
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Crusoe said:
Honda with 300+ miles of range for £20k, potentially lots waiting for something like that. https://asia.nikkei.com/Spotlight/Electric-cars-in...
£30k when it lands here no doubt.

Saweep

6,599 posts

186 months

Monday 16th May 2022
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Teebs said:
Crusoe said:
Honda with 300+ miles of range for £20k, potentially lots waiting for something like that. https://asia.nikkei.com/Spotlight/Electric-cars-in...
£30k when it lands here no doubt.
The OAP set, which seem to love both electric cars and Hondas, will snap these up at that price in droves.

av185

18,514 posts

127 months

Monday 16th May 2022
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Earthdweller said:
av185 said:
Macron said:
Actually no, as very very few people HAVE to buy cars. People may WANT to buy cars, but very few indeed have to. So they won't be forced to do anything. Many will "stick" with what they have.
Unconvincing.
Go on then, convince me why I have to buy a car I’m all ears

Give me a compelling reason why I have too
There are clearly many buying sectors who will not stop buying cars unless war breaks out. The UK is car obsessed and whilst clearly some will be impacted by tightening economic circumstances there are many who broadly aren't and a new/different/upgraded/downgraded/more expensive/less expensive/change of fuel type car is high on their list of priorities as a consumer driven society. Always has been btw.

Folks love changing their cars.

A few obvious examples of those sectors who are more likely to have to buy cars

Companies
Fleets
PCPers stuck on the merrygoround
Service sector
Private sector buyers.

I could go on but you get the picture.

And this excludes those who just want to buy cars.

Please bear in mind the car market where you are in Accrington (even though you claim it is an up and coming Manchester suburb lol) does not necessarilly represent the broader UK typical car market.


Edited by av185 on Monday 16th May 11:03

av185

18,514 posts

127 months

Monday 16th May 2022
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thelostboy said:
Just to add some real world experience, I work at a car supermarket and other than a couple of months last year, the last two month's have been record months. This month has been a bit slower, which is no surprise given the mass of confidence-sapping world events.

There will be a gentle decline of used car prices, but the fact remains that there was virtually nothing built in the last couple of years. That virtually makes a '19 plate car a '21 plate car. Appreciate that is hard to accept, even as someone who deals with it everyday.
So there we have it from the bellweather of the used car market, the car supermarket.

Straight from the horses mouth so to speak.

The last two months have been a record two months.

ghost83

5,478 posts

190 months

Monday 16th May 2022
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av185 said:
So there we have it from the bellweather of the used car market, the car supermarket.

Straight from the horses mouth so to speak.

The last two months have been a record two months.
And this month has been slower as bills have gone up and probably will continue to slow

AlexNJ89

2,444 posts

79 months

Monday 16th May 2022
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Got no food, I don't put the heating on I just use a blanket and many layers, no holiday, my clothes are well worn but I'm making them last as long as possible and store them safely in my 2023 VW T-roc on a 4 year lease.

anonymous-user

54 months

Monday 16th May 2022
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AlexNJ89 said:
Got no food, I don't put the heating on I just use a blanket and many layers, no holiday, my clothes are well worn but I'm making them last as long as possible and store them safely in my 2023 VW T-roc on a 4 year lease.
hehe but probably quite accurate in many cases

anonymous-user

54 months

Monday 16th May 2022
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Earthdweller said:
av185 said:
Macron said:
Actually no, as very very few people HAVE to buy cars. People may WANT to buy cars, but very few indeed have to. So they won't be forced to do anything. Many will "stick" with what they have.
Unconvincing.
Go on then, convince me why I have to buy a car I’m all ears

Give me a compelling reason why I have too
Because we've just had a baby, and I can't get 4 x kids and 2 x adults in a 5 x seat car, and there's no isofix in a 1970s 3 seater Toyota van or a 25 year old 4 seater Porsche. There are 3 x buses a day where I live. A 1 month old can't ride a bike.

I HAVE to buy a new (or used) car.

NortonES2

296 posts

48 months

Monday 16th May 2022
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Saweep said:
The OAP set, which seem to love both electric cars and Hondas, will snap these up at that price in droves.
Not me I'm sticking with the XFR

J4CKO

41,562 posts

200 months

Monday 16th May 2022
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av185 said:
Earthdweller said:
av185 said:
Macron said:
Actually no, as very very few people HAVE to buy cars. People may WANT to buy cars, but very few indeed have to. So they won't be forced to do anything. Many will "stick" with what they have.
Unconvincing.
Go on then, convince me why I have to buy a car I’m all ears

Give me a compelling reason why I have too
There are clearly many buying sectors who will not stop buying cars unless war breaks out. The UK is car obsessed and whilst clearly some will be impacted by tightening economic circumstances there are many who broadly aren't and a new/different/upgraded/downgraded/more expensive/less expensive/change of fuel type car is high on their list of priorities as a consumer driven society. Always has been btw.

Folks love changing their cars.

A few obvious examples of those sectors who are more likely to have to buy cars

Companies
Fleets
PCPers stuck on the merrygoround
Service sector
Private sector buyers.

I could go on but you get the picture.

And this excludes those who just want to buy cars.

Please bear in mind the car market where you are in Accrington (even though you claim it is an up and coming Manchester suburb lol) does not necessarilly represent the broader UK typical car market.


Edited by av185 on Monday 16th May 11:03
Well, I think there are many scenarios but on average people may be holding off.

I could go out and buy pretty much anything I fancied within reasonable criteria, half down and half to finance but having had the utilities bills go up by close to £200, plus a raft of other increases its made me less confident. Still have a decent amount spare each month, no debts and am spending but not keen on taking on a big purchase that I dont need to.

There is another increase to the price cap due with the attendant knock ons, we have two cars that are both in fine fettle and cash in the bank but really not that bothered enough to go buying stuff.

Were considering Mustangs, but fuel has gone up massively and currently the cars themselves are expensive. Might do the you only live once thing and just go for it but at the moment, its not a priority.

I can see us paying £500 to 600 a month for Gas and Electric in 12 months, still, as long as Shell etc are doing well biggrin