RE: The best electric cars to buy in 2021
Discussion
knebworth01 said:
I tend to find anything negative written about EV's is almost exclusively by people that don't own one and never have, so the comments don't really hold any weight.
Its like having opinions on riding a motorbike when you've only ever ridden a push bike!
My mrs had a go at me regarding this to be fair. She knows that I dislike electric cars...but she says that I might like them if I actually had a go in one. So I'm making an effort to be less derogatory towards them until I try one. Its like having opinions on riding a motorbike when you've only ever ridden a push bike!
Early adopters history lesson.
Remember when digital SLR cameras appeared ?
The 1999 Nikon D1 cost $5000 and had a 2.6 megapixel image.
They can now be bought on ebay etc for about 50 quid.
Along with flat screen TVs etc they are all in the same sort of maturing product development cycle as EV cars are in now.
Remember when digital SLR cameras appeared ?
The 1999 Nikon D1 cost $5000 and had a 2.6 megapixel image.
They can now be bought on ebay etc for about 50 quid.
Along with flat screen TVs etc they are all in the same sort of maturing product development cycle as EV cars are in now.
knebworth01 said:
I tend to find anything negative written about EV's is almost exclusively by people that don't own one and never have, so the comments don't really hold any weight.
Its like having opinions on riding a motorbike when you've only ever ridden a push bike!
It's far from 'almost exclusively'. Once you discount the rapid, militant posts of the extremists on both sides, the frothing haters and the unquestioning evangelists you end up with the normal majority, the middle ground. Its like having opinions on riding a motorbike when you've only ever ridden a push bike!
What you see inside that group of people, the majority is a pretty honest debate. These cars are not perfect yet and they are not more efficient in terms of usage yet. In reality, they are so flawed that consumers have to be paid to use them via tax breaks while others have to be charged more for not using them through taxation and penalties and restrictions. The product, at this moment in time, cannot even compete against the farce of sucking up rotted dinosaurs, transporting it around the globe, chemically and mechanically breaking it down and then distributing that across a nation!!!
The electric motor is infinitely more efficient than the petrol engine yet in 2021, getting in towards 150 years of the motor car, we, as a society still haven't managed to find a way to power the electric motor that is superior to powering a clunky, complex, inefficient petrol engine with a clunky, complex and inefficient fuel.
It's really quite an insane situation when you consider the truth and put the politics, propaganda, evangelism of both sides on the bench.
When you read these posts and you do push the lunacy back where it belongs then that middle ground is not anti EV at all. What it is is pragmatic. The middle ground isn't the apex consumer who must have the latest gadget or chattel at any cost, nor is it the 'over my dead body' haters for whom arguably, the EV is just a proxy for the type of person they hate. Much like those rabid SUV haters.
The middle ground on PH actually appears to be people who would like to switch to EV as they can see the potential merits and advantages but they recognise the current, narrow operational band where an EV can our compete and for many their requirements fall too far outside of that at this moment in time. It's the middle ground that recognises this is a transition period and that over time more products will appear that widen that usability band. But I also suspect that the majority of the middle ground are fully aware that EVs in their current guise are not exactly beacons of environmentalism and that there is a huge amount of propaganda and PR guff being spouted to get them off the shelves and to forcefully create a market that isn't able to compete naturally due to its crippling inefficiencies.
To those who have not tried an EV, and who have negative thought patterns about them, do give one a try. I was of exactly the same mindset before I tried one; it was as though, as a hardened petrolhead, it would imply some sort of weakness to accept that they actually have a place in the world.
The truth is, as a tool to use and removing any emotive factors, they are in many ways superior to our current ICE cars. Instant torque and instant power in utter silence, instant heat from electric heaters opposed to waiting minutes for an ICE car to warm through on a cold morning, lower servicing costs, improved packaging etc etc.
Yes, there is further work to do on range, speed of charging, charging infrastructure, but the world moves quickly. I would gladly buy an EV as a daily car if I didn’t already have the benefit of a company car. I also don’t buy into the idea that they are “cleaner” and those who buy for environmental reasons, whilst not factoring in the fact that the bulk of ICE cars have already been built, the energy has already been used, where building an EV from scratch takes a huge amount of energy.
They will never replace our petrol engined toys from an emotive point of view, of course not. Nor do I think we will fawn over electric sports cars in the future. But they do have a place, and as a car to just get you home, or get you to work, I think in a few years time we will really see what the EV is capable of.
To the cars noted... the Honda e is just an absolute love. The 500e not mentioned here I would wish every success to, as well.
The truth is, as a tool to use and removing any emotive factors, they are in many ways superior to our current ICE cars. Instant torque and instant power in utter silence, instant heat from electric heaters opposed to waiting minutes for an ICE car to warm through on a cold morning, lower servicing costs, improved packaging etc etc.
Yes, there is further work to do on range, speed of charging, charging infrastructure, but the world moves quickly. I would gladly buy an EV as a daily car if I didn’t already have the benefit of a company car. I also don’t buy into the idea that they are “cleaner” and those who buy for environmental reasons, whilst not factoring in the fact that the bulk of ICE cars have already been built, the energy has already been used, where building an EV from scratch takes a huge amount of energy.
They will never replace our petrol engined toys from an emotive point of view, of course not. Nor do I think we will fawn over electric sports cars in the future. But they do have a place, and as a car to just get you home, or get you to work, I think in a few years time we will really see what the EV is capable of.
To the cars noted... the Honda e is just an absolute love. The 500e not mentioned here I would wish every success to, as well.
Edited by robsco on Sunday 10th January 10:44
I have real world experience of owning a pure EV and a hybrid, I have Ecotricity for my roadside fill-ups and a 7KW charger at my house. My BMW i3s has now done 12,000 miles and the i8 Roadster 10,000 and I’ve owned them both from new. Previous cars are a mixture of higher end BMWs. A brief review of the two cars. The i3 is quick, fun, small (never feels small on the inside) beautifully engineered inside and out and is a good if not great hot hatch, I’ve never really felt the ride to be particularly harsh but most of my driving is either trunk roads or b road blasts, it does hop an skip but still great fun. My kids have learned to drive the i3 and they love it, it’s not too pricey to insure and they’ve learned the valuable lesson that energy is finite, and the faster they go the less distance they can travel! For my once a week longer journeys (250-300 miles in a day) I accept things will take longer but there is reliable clean energy charging points on most of my routes, I leave a bit earlier and catch-up on email and so on when a 20-30 min top-up is done. The boot is small but a weeks shopping is no problem.
The i8 Roadster is great to drive and well written about. It always feels special. Mine charges every night and even at maximum beans with no battery charge always gives more than 30mpg, but mainly 40-60mpg (depending on the length of the drive) is normal. It’s fast fun and looks amazing, has a boot and with a Seasucker I can put my bikes on the back.
For both a used one makes sense for a private buyer £18 – 22K for a bigger battery i3 and the i8 in roadster form is around £60K. If you own your own company, then they make sense as new purchases for the various tax benefits provided you don’t pay list price (I got £37K off the i8 and £4K from the i3). Both cars are crazy cheap to run in both servicing and fuel, but both eat tyres particularly the i8.
A year and a bit in, I absolutely would not go back to ICE cars, the i3 is a hoot on short journeys and for long journeys you learn to drive economically. The i8 in ev mode is exactly that, and in hybrid mode has wonderful throttle response and open top and is mid engined, both are made from carbon(ish) fibre which looks amazing, whilst it might be fanciful, if someone came up with a kit that replaced the ICE in the i8 with a battery I’d take it.
I like Harry Metcalf’s video on EVs most of the points are solid, the man speaks sense. But he still is coming at it from the point of view of replacing like with like, personally I am very happy with some compromises and some wonderful driving experiences with the fleet I have which I intend to keep for a very long time.
The i8 Roadster is great to drive and well written about. It always feels special. Mine charges every night and even at maximum beans with no battery charge always gives more than 30mpg, but mainly 40-60mpg (depending on the length of the drive) is normal. It’s fast fun and looks amazing, has a boot and with a Seasucker I can put my bikes on the back.
For both a used one makes sense for a private buyer £18 – 22K for a bigger battery i3 and the i8 in roadster form is around £60K. If you own your own company, then they make sense as new purchases for the various tax benefits provided you don’t pay list price (I got £37K off the i8 and £4K from the i3). Both cars are crazy cheap to run in both servicing and fuel, but both eat tyres particularly the i8.
A year and a bit in, I absolutely would not go back to ICE cars, the i3 is a hoot on short journeys and for long journeys you learn to drive economically. The i8 in ev mode is exactly that, and in hybrid mode has wonderful throttle response and open top and is mid engined, both are made from carbon(ish) fibre which looks amazing, whilst it might be fanciful, if someone came up with a kit that replaced the ICE in the i8 with a battery I’d take it.
I like Harry Metcalf’s video on EVs most of the points are solid, the man speaks sense. But he still is coming at it from the point of view of replacing like with like, personally I am very happy with some compromises and some wonderful driving experiences with the fleet I have which I intend to keep for a very long time.
LordFlathead said:
Spot on! I put in the original request and had to beg Haymarket to add an EV forum and they refused, finally only allowing it if included LPG.
This piece was written the same as some review from Asda on EV's. Totally out of touch. As a Model 3 owner, and previous EV owner for the last ten years, not a mention about the usefulness of the Tesla charging network. If people were actually to follow this dumb-arsed guide, they would soon find themselves suffering both range anxiety and charger anxiety, neither of which you get driving a Tesla.
The three most efficient cars on the market are the Tesla Model 3 (which charges a LOT faster than the Model S), the Kia eNiro and the Hyundai Kona - None of them even mentioned.
I’ve had the opportunity to drive some very nice cars in 2020 including most of the higher end EVs- Audi E tron, I Pace and Tesla Model S,X and 3 and as much as I liked the others (and some lovely ICE cars) the Model 3 was the one that left me the most impressed in terms of being modern, how it drove and the range.This piece was written the same as some review from Asda on EV's. Totally out of touch. As a Model 3 owner, and previous EV owner for the last ten years, not a mention about the usefulness of the Tesla charging network. If people were actually to follow this dumb-arsed guide, they would soon find themselves suffering both range anxiety and charger anxiety, neither of which you get driving a Tesla.
The three most efficient cars on the market are the Tesla Model 3 (which charges a LOT faster than the Model S), the Kia eNiro and the Hyundai Kona - None of them even mentioned.
Yes the interior isn’t as nice as a similarly priced C Class or 3/4 Series but honestly I’m ok with that, I’d be willing to put up on that compromise for what you get with the rest of the car.
When used ones drop to a more affordable level-about £20-25 k ish in my case I will make the switch without thinking twice.
I’m not suddenly anti ICE, I like them too, nothing wrong with either.
ate one too said:
Early adopters history lesson.
Remember when digital SLR cameras appeared ?
The 1999 Nikon D1 cost $5000 and had a 2.6 megapixel image.
They can now be bought on ebay etc for about 50 quid.
Along with flat screen TVs etc they are all in the same sort of maturing product development cycle as EV cars are in now.
false equivalencyRemember when digital SLR cameras appeared ?
The 1999 Nikon D1 cost $5000 and had a 2.6 megapixel image.
They can now be bought on ebay etc for about 50 quid.
Along with flat screen TVs etc they are all in the same sort of maturing product development cycle as EV cars are in now.
early evs have been appreciating over the last few years
current EVs are not going to be made obsolete by a better processor or sensor ...
EVs will continue to evolve and economics of scale will bring the price down but it will be steady slope
Dave Hedgehog said:
false equivalency
early evs have been appreciating over the last few years
current EVs are not going to be made obsolete by a better processor or sensor ...
EVs will continue to evolve and economics of scale will bring the price down but it will be steady slope
Arguably, the older EVs will have values underpinned due to their lack of connectivity and the inevitable subscription costs that will infect the product range. They may transpire to be the last of the dumb EVs. early evs have been appreciating over the last few years
current EVs are not going to be made obsolete by a better processor or sensor ...
EVs will continue to evolve and economics of scale will bring the price down but it will be steady slope
Currently, values are being pushed up as they are cheap hacks for city dwellers and second suburban runabouts who know that they only every so low daily mileages. For example, the well used Leaf is beginning to replace the old Golf as the logical station car for commuting in to London.
And that's the value of used, out of date EVs. They are the next choice of low mileage hacks for places like London.
One of the most annoying things that is being pushed into the car market via EVs is corporate control over the consumer. The EV could be a vastly more simple vehicle than the ICE but other the technology is being forced into the products that trap the consumer to the manufacturer far more than the farce of servicing and warranties ever did.
There will come a point when you won't be able to buy a used EV and not have to sign up to monthly subscriptions to the original manufacturer to get bits of it to work. It's heading towards one big IT style protection racket. It'll make things like an old 'classic' EV quite appealing, especially if you can get the battery packs upgraded fairly easily in due course.
An old i3 could last you decades as a local hack.
JD said:
This year, more than 1 in 10 cars sold in the UK will be electric.
You do realise that the only reason they are anywhere 10% is due to tax breaks (0/1/2% BIK) distorting the market don’t you?Given a choice and no tax breaks, only a few misguided tree huggers would choose electric over ICE (misguided because, as is mentioned above, electric cars are nowhere as green as some people believe).
robsco said:
To those who have not tried an EV, and who have negative thought patterns about them, do give one a try. I was of exactly the same mindset before I tried one; it was as though, as a hardened petrolhead, it would imply some sort of weakness to accept that they actually have a place in the world.
The truth is, as a tool to use and removing any emotive factors, they are in many ways superior to our current ICE cars. Instant torque and instant power in utter silence, instant heat from electric heaters opposed to waiting minutes for an ICE car to warm through on a cold morning, lower servicing costs, improved packaging etc etc.
Yes, there is further work to do on range, speed of charging, charging infrastructure, but the world moves quickly. I would gladly buy an EV as a daily car if I didn’t already have the benefit of a company car. I also don’t buy into the idea that they are “cleaner” and those who buy for environmental reasons, whilst not factoring in the fact that the bulk of ICE cars have already been built, the energy has already been used, where building an EV from scratch takes a huge amount of energy.
They will never replace our petrol engined toys from an emotive point of view, of course not. Nor do I think we will fawn over electric sports cars in the future. But they do have a place, and as a car to just get you home, or get you to work, I think in a few years time we will really see what the EV is capable of.
To the cars noted... the Honda e is just an absolute love. The 500e not mentioned here I would wish every success to, as well.
i really don't think many are disputing anything you say. there are some curmudgeons on here,sure. but most just don't think the time isn't quite right. i totally get the cars are better, but the infrastructure and pricing is not quite there yet for many. no dispute, i'm jumping aboard soon. by 2030 we'll look back at this thread and similar debates in wonderment as to how we missed it.The truth is, as a tool to use and removing any emotive factors, they are in many ways superior to our current ICE cars. Instant torque and instant power in utter silence, instant heat from electric heaters opposed to waiting minutes for an ICE car to warm through on a cold morning, lower servicing costs, improved packaging etc etc.
Yes, there is further work to do on range, speed of charging, charging infrastructure, but the world moves quickly. I would gladly buy an EV as a daily car if I didn’t already have the benefit of a company car. I also don’t buy into the idea that they are “cleaner” and those who buy for environmental reasons, whilst not factoring in the fact that the bulk of ICE cars have already been built, the energy has already been used, where building an EV from scratch takes a huge amount of energy.
They will never replace our petrol engined toys from an emotive point of view, of course not. Nor do I think we will fawn over electric sports cars in the future. But they do have a place, and as a car to just get you home, or get you to work, I think in a few years time we will really see what the EV is capable of.
To the cars noted... the Honda e is just an absolute love. The 500e not mentioned here I would wish every success to, as well.
Edited by robsco on Sunday 10th January 10:44
Walter Sobchak said:
LordFlathead said:
Spot on! I put in the original request and had to beg Haymarket to add an EV forum and they refused, finally only allowing it if included LPG.
This piece was written the same as some review from Asda on EV's. Totally out of touch. As a Model 3 owner, and previous EV owner for the last ten years, not a mention about the usefulness of the Tesla charging network. If people were actually to follow this dumb-arsed guide, they would soon find themselves suffering both range anxiety and charger anxiety, neither of which you get driving a Tesla.
The three most efficient cars on the market are the Tesla Model 3 (which charges a LOT faster than the Model S), the Kia eNiro and the Hyundai Kona - None of them even mentioned.
I’ve had the opportunity to drive some very nice cars in 2020 including most of the higher end EVs- Audi E tron, I Pace and Tesla Model S,X and 3 and as much as I liked the others (and some lovely ICE cars) the Model 3 was the one that left me the most impressed in terms of being modern, how it drove and the range.This piece was written the same as some review from Asda on EV's. Totally out of touch. As a Model 3 owner, and previous EV owner for the last ten years, not a mention about the usefulness of the Tesla charging network. If people were actually to follow this dumb-arsed guide, they would soon find themselves suffering both range anxiety and charger anxiety, neither of which you get driving a Tesla.
The three most efficient cars on the market are the Tesla Model 3 (which charges a LOT faster than the Model S), the Kia eNiro and the Hyundai Kona - None of them even mentioned.
Yes the interior isn’t as nice as a similarly priced C Class or 3/4 Series but honestly I’m ok with that, I’d be willing to put up on that compromise for what you get with the rest of the car.
When used ones drop to a more affordable level-about £20-25 k ish in my case I will make the switch without thinking twice.
I’m not suddenly anti ICE, I like them too, nothing wrong with either.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rQVEmVy9fQ8
robsco said:
They will never replace our petrol engined toys from an emotive point of view, of course not. Nor do I think we will fawn over electric sports cars in the future.
I think they could. We're still early on with the modern EV after all, and manufacturers are still getting the hang of it. Lots of people saying the i-Pace and Taycan are genuinely good cars to drive without any "for an EV" caveat.If you look at this stage as the equivalent of the early ICE market you'd have a lot of people (were the inferweb around then) saying that a car could never replace the emotional connection between man and horse, or offer the same practicality because a car can't jump a fence or wade through a river. That's not to ridicule all the objections people have to EVs, it's more a comment that people will find joy or misery in whatever is available.
85Carrera said:
You do realise that the only reason they are anywhere 10% is due to tax breaks (0/1/2% BIK) distorting the market don’t you?
Given a choice and no tax breaks, only a few misguided tree huggers would choose electric over ICE (misguided because, as is mentioned above, electric cars are nowhere as green as some people believe).
I’m not sure why that changes the fact, it’s the same reason everyone bought diesels.Given a choice and no tax breaks, only a few misguided tree huggers would choose electric over ICE (misguided because, as is mentioned above, electric cars are nowhere as green as some people believe).
Why does everyone get so angry about electric cars not being as green as “they” say, people buy them as they are better than the equivalent ice vehicle and cost less to run. I’m not sure what else drives the car buying public other than that!
MikeKite said:
Walter Sobchak said:
LordFlathead said:
Spot on! I put in the original request and had to beg Haymarket to add an EV forum and they refused, finally only allowing it if included LPG.
This piece was written the same as some review from Asda on EV's. Totally out of touch. As a Model 3 owner, and previous EV owner for the last ten years, not a mention about the usefulness of the Tesla charging network. If people were actually to follow this dumb-arsed guide, they would soon find themselves suffering both range anxiety and charger anxiety, neither of which you get driving a Tesla.
The three most efficient cars on the market are the Tesla Model 3 (which charges a LOT faster than the Model S), the Kia eNiro and the Hyundai Kona - None of them even mentioned.
I’ve had the opportunity to drive some very nice cars in 2020 including most of the higher end EVs- Audi E tron, I Pace and Tesla Model S,X and 3 and as much as I liked the others (and some lovely ICE cars) the Model 3 was the one that left me the most impressed in terms of being modern, how it drove and the range.This piece was written the same as some review from Asda on EV's. Totally out of touch. As a Model 3 owner, and previous EV owner for the last ten years, not a mention about the usefulness of the Tesla charging network. If people were actually to follow this dumb-arsed guide, they would soon find themselves suffering both range anxiety and charger anxiety, neither of which you get driving a Tesla.
The three most efficient cars on the market are the Tesla Model 3 (which charges a LOT faster than the Model S), the Kia eNiro and the Hyundai Kona - None of them even mentioned.
Yes the interior isn’t as nice as a similarly priced C Class or 3/4 Series but honestly I’m ok with that, I’d be willing to put up on that compromise for what you get with the rest of the car.
When used ones drop to a more affordable level-about £20-25 k ish in my case I will make the switch without thinking twice.
I’m not suddenly anti ICE, I like them too, nothing wrong with either.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rQVEmVy9fQ8
It will make a great electric shed in a few years, mind.
What people want is small to mid size SUV shapes.
When the Model Y and the VW ID.4 come out they will be big sellers, in EV terms, I think.
DonkeyApple said:
One of the most annoying things that is being pushed into the car market via EVs is corporate control over the consumer. The EV could be a vastly more simple vehicle than the ICE but other the technology is being forced into the products that trap the consumer to the manufacturer far more than the farce of servicing and warranties ever did.
There will come a point when you won't be able to buy a used EV and not have to sign up to monthly subscriptions to the original manufacturer to get bits of it to work. It's heading towards one big IT style protection racket. It'll make things like an old 'classic' EV quite appealing, especially if you can get the battery packs upgraded fairly easily in due course.
I share your irritation at the car industry's push to 'monetise' every aspect of our cars and turn the car buyer into an 'ongoing revenue stream' in this way.There will come a point when you won't be able to buy a used EV and not have to sign up to monthly subscriptions to the original manufacturer to get bits of it to work. It's heading towards one big IT style protection racket. It'll make things like an old 'classic' EV quite appealing, especially if you can get the battery packs upgraded fairly easily in due course.
However, I don't agree that the subscription model is anything to do with EVs. Manufacturers have shown themselves perfectly well able to monetise features of ICE cars on a subscription basis.
https://www.autoexpress.co.uk/bmw/107492/bmw-rows-...
"In July 2019, BMW became the first carmaker to make Apple CarPlay a subscription service, with buyers having to pay a fee of £85 for a full year, £255 for three years or £295 for unlimited access." (Fortunately they rowed back on this).
The softwareisation of cars is happening at the same time as the introduction of EVs, but is no way dependent on it. So I don't think it's relevant to this thread (but probably deserves a thread of its own).
swisstoni said:
Quite a few people have had given up on the saloon car shape, new car wise, which disadvantages the Model 3.
What people want is small to mid size SUV shapes.
The interesting question to me is whether people are prepared to recharge their car more frequently in exchange for the 'desirable' SUV format (to replenish the energy spent dragging a taller box through the air) - I guess we'll find out.What people want is small to mid size SUV shapes.
The only two on the list which really appeal is the Twizy because it's a bit daft but could be useful for nipping to the shops or to a train station. The other is the little Honda as I like the looks and I like the interior, sadly the price would put me off but then it's not outlandish for a hatchback these days.
I think the issue I have is that range and cruising comfort are my two biggest priorities. None but the absolutely highest top end models seem to do a comfortable distance that I require. They're neither within my budget nor do they really appeal very much.
I think EVs are great if you want a runabout or if you have the budget for a top end one. I don't doubt they can be a good drive either. I'd gladly drive an EV day to day, I can quite imagine having an electric motor in my S Class giving silence and power, ideal. Then have a V8 for the weekend.
I think the issue I have is that range and cruising comfort are my two biggest priorities. None but the absolutely highest top end models seem to do a comfortable distance that I require. They're neither within my budget nor do they really appeal very much.
I think EVs are great if you want a runabout or if you have the budget for a top end one. I don't doubt they can be a good drive either. I'd gladly drive an EV day to day, I can quite imagine having an electric motor in my S Class giving silence and power, ideal. Then have a V8 for the weekend.
swisstoni said:
MikeKite said:
Walter Sobchak said:
LordFlathead said:
Spot on! I put in the original request and had to beg Haymarket to add an EV forum and they refused, finally only allowing it if included LPG.
This piece was written the same as some review from Asda on EV's. Totally out of touch. As a Model 3 owner, and previous EV owner for the last ten years, not a mention about the usefulness of the Tesla charging network. If people were actually to follow this dumb-arsed guide, they would soon find themselves suffering both range anxiety and charger anxiety, neither of which you get driving a Tesla.
The three most efficient cars on the market are the Tesla Model 3 (which charges a LOT faster than the Model S), the Kia eNiro and the Hyundai Kona - None of them even mentioned.
I’ve had the opportunity to drive some very nice cars in 2020 including most of the higher end EVs- Audi E tron, I Pace and Tesla Model S,X and 3 and as much as I liked the others (and some lovely ICE cars) the Model 3 was the one that left me the most impressed in terms of being modern, how it drove and the range.This piece was written the same as some review from Asda on EV's. Totally out of touch. As a Model 3 owner, and previous EV owner for the last ten years, not a mention about the usefulness of the Tesla charging network. If people were actually to follow this dumb-arsed guide, they would soon find themselves suffering both range anxiety and charger anxiety, neither of which you get driving a Tesla.
The three most efficient cars on the market are the Tesla Model 3 (which charges a LOT faster than the Model S), the Kia eNiro and the Hyundai Kona - None of them even mentioned.
Yes the interior isn’t as nice as a similarly priced C Class or 3/4 Series but honestly I’m ok with that, I’d be willing to put up on that compromise for what you get with the rest of the car.
When used ones drop to a more affordable level-about £20-25 k ish in my case I will make the switch without thinking twice.
I’m not suddenly anti ICE, I like them too, nothing wrong with either.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rQVEmVy9fQ8
It will make a great electric shed in a few years, mind.
What people want is small to mid size SUV shapes.
When the Model Y and the VW ID.4 come out they will be big sellers, in EV terms, I think.
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