One single thing that makes you think "knob" Vol 5
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simon_harris said:
vikingaero said:
You'll always find cyclists defending the behaviour of fellow cyclists, even if they are 100% in the wrong. The magical get out is that cyclists are on a bike and the damage potential is far greater, despite the fact that they are stupid enough to continually put themselves in that situation and expect magic to happen around them.
My wife cycles a lot and she gets super wound up with bad cyclists - mostly because she ends up being tarred with the same brush and she stops at every red light etc.21st Century Man said:
simon_harris said:
My wife cycles a lot and she gets super wound up with bad cyclists - mostly because she ends up being tarred with the same brush and she stops at every red light etc.
I'm an occasional cyclist and I stop at reds, why wouldn't I? I'm frequently the only cyclist that does though, it seems nuts to me to run a red light.Anyway. Confession time. I cycled through two red traffic lights on Monday night. 120 miles into a ride it was well past midnight as I came into a small Dorset market town from the surrounding countryside. First traffic light was serving only a school/leisure centre turning with pedestrian crossing. Gates, rather predictably, were locked and not a soul to be seen so I ignored the red light. Perfectly safe and entirely reasonable, just like 80 mph in a car on a deserted motorway at that time of the morning. Next up was a road junction with clear views into every road. Again, not a soul to be seen or heard in any direction, and quite frankly I couldn't be arsed stopping for no reason whatsoever. Exactly like the legions of car driving clowns at my local traffic light controlled yellow box junction who can't be arsed waiting for their exit to be clear before they enter it on a daily basis, often obstructing traffic when the lights change and they are still stuck in the box.
Sure, I see law breaking cyclists regularly. But I equally see law breaking drivers. Because PEOPLE break laws. And PEOPLE in glass houses ought to not be throwing stones.
21st Century Man said:
simon_harris said:
My wife cycles a lot and she gets super wound up with bad cyclists - mostly because she ends up being tarred with the same brush and she stops at every red light etc.
I'm an occasional cyclist and I stop at reds, why wouldn't I? I'm frequently the only cyclist that does though, it seems nuts to me to run a red light.I also stop at red lights and pull into lay-bys if there is a queue of traffic following me, as I prefer a clear road around me.
yellowjack said:
Cyclists and dog owners are similar beasts. The vast majority of them come onto forums and assert that they (cyclists) always stop at red lights, and (dog owners) always pick up Fido's turds. And yet anyone who is neither a cyclist nor a dog owner will assert that "the cyclists" always run red lights and that the streets are awash with uncollected dog toffee. So someone is lying.
My dog always stops for red lights. Red9zero said:
yellowjack said:
Cyclists and dog owners are similar beasts. The vast majority of them come onto forums and assert that they (cyclists) always stop at red lights, and (dog owners) always pick up Fido's turds. And yet anyone who is neither a cyclist nor a dog owner will assert that "the cyclists" always run red lights and that the streets are awash with uncollected dog toffee. So someone is lying.
My dog always stops for red lights. QJumper said:
Red9zero said:
yellowjack said:
Cyclists and dog owners are similar beasts. The vast majority of them come onto forums and assert that they (cyclists) always stop at red lights, and (dog owners) always pick up Fido's turds. And yet anyone who is neither a cyclist nor a dog owner will assert that "the cyclists" always run red lights and that the streets are awash with uncollected dog toffee. So someone is lying.
My dog always stops for red lights. Usually, with a instant retort about other people also running lights/not picking up poop. Because they think that somehow legitimises their own behaviour.
Red lights? As a cyclist I frequently go through them when safe to do so. Part of the pleasure of urban cycling is not being held up by traffic queues and red lights.
Why not? The chances of being prosecuted are minimal. Shoulder check for police first.
.A better question might be which reds do I stop for. If I know it is gojng green soon I,ll stop. No point filtering past a few cars when theg will just need to overtake me a few seconds later. I,ll stop behind them.
Some big complicated junctions like Anniesland Cross in Glasgow I,ll stop.
Pedestrian Crossings.
Safety? Going through a red is no more dangerous than a give way junction.
Obviously it is illegal but we all choose which laws we break. I don't see many driving at 30.
Why not? The chances of being prosecuted are minimal. Shoulder check for police first.
.A better question might be which reds do I stop for. If I know it is gojng green soon I,ll stop. No point filtering past a few cars when theg will just need to overtake me a few seconds later. I,ll stop behind them.
Some big complicated junctions like Anniesland Cross in Glasgow I,ll stop.
Pedestrian Crossings.
Safety? Going through a red is no more dangerous than a give way junction.
Obviously it is illegal but we all choose which laws we break. I don't see many driving at 30.
I'll admit to sometimes going through a red when I'm on my bike. It's rarely, if ever, straight on through a junction though, and usually a left turn.
When I'm driving, I often prefer it when cyclists go through on a red, rather than waiting for them to wobble their way up to stability and speed.
When I'm driving, I often prefer it when cyclists go through on a red, rather than waiting for them to wobble their way up to stability and speed.
21st Century Man said:
Temporary traffic lights at roadworks turn to red and the traffic stops and waits, but cyclist doesn't think it applies to him, sails past and continues against the now oncoming traffic, squeezing between them and a full height wall, a few vehicles in and there's a truck and no room, no pavement to jig onto either, truck has to stop, cyclist has to cross in front of the truck, lift his bike over the barriers and then clamber over the roadworks and through the workers and the digger. I hope he felt an embarrassed t
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Yesterday morning. Temp lights. Road works on our side, so we had to go over to the right then to the left to get round them. Quite a queue. Lights turn to green and we move forward and start through. Mr Important in his twin cab pick up is much more important and sails down the right side of the traffic still in the left lane and cuts in at the chokepoint. t. My blood was boiling. As was many other people around me.
cobra kid said:
Yesterday morning. Temp lights. Road works on our side, so we had to go over to the right then to the left to get round them. Quite a queue. Lights turn to green and we move forward and start through. Mr Important in his twin cab pick up is much more important and sails down the right side of the traffic still in the left lane and cuts in at the chokepoint.
My blood was boiling. As was many other people around me.
That would be a caravan dweller, I reckon. My blood was boiling. As was many other people around me.
SteveStrange said:
cobra kid said:
Yesterday morning. Temp lights. Road works on our side, so we had to go over to the right then to the left to get round them. Quite a queue. Lights turn to green and we move forward and start through. Mr Important in his twin cab pick up is much more important and sails down the right side of the traffic still in the left lane and cuts in at the chokepoint.
My blood was boiling. As was many other people around me.
That would be a caravan dweller, I reckon. My blood was boiling. As was many other people around me.
I have observed in my experience of other knobbish behaviour depends what I am driving at the time.
In the Mitsubishi GTO, no one tail gates, no one cuts me up. Ford ST / Vauxhall VX spec drivers generally scowl at me.
In my old Mercedes S600 V12 Bi-Turbo, significant tailgating. I suspect plenty of 'oh what is grandpa doing L3 holding me back at 70+ leptons?' - I do get let out of junctions though.
In my 2007 BMW 320i cabrolet in black, significant tailgating, plenty of lane swapping near misses, general BMW like behaviour infecting non BMW drivers in a 10 meter radius.
996 C2, no tailgating, no significant lane swap anxiety, generally peaceful journey.
Lord Pork said:
I think the last two posts justify the heading.........
I used to go through certain red lights in Cambridge. The reason was, the lights were triggered by something the size of a car approaching (whether through pressure on a sensor, electromagnets, magic, I know not). They were set only to change when the sensor was triggered from any direction. But they would not trigger a light change for a bike, so I’d wait for a bit, and of they didn’t change, I’d cycle through. This was the middle of the night, when there was zero (or very rare) traffic. Would you prefer I waited at the lights until morning?Thing that gets me is that people seem to think cyclists and motorists are two separate populations, when in reality there is a Venn overlap. The vast majority of cyclists also drive, and a large minority of drivers cycle.
And no, I’m not a MAMIL, although I definitely hit the middle aged bit. There’s bad driving, and bad cycling. Saying all drivers are bad, or all cyclists are bad, is just… stupid.
TwinExit said:
I have observed in my experience of other knobbish behaviour depends what I am driving at the time.
In the Mitsubishi GTO, no one tail gates, no one cuts me up. Ford ST / Vauxhall VX spec drivers generally scowl at me.
In my old Mercedes S600 V12 Bi-Turbo, significant tailgating. I suspect plenty of 'oh what is grandpa doing L3 holding me back at 70+ leptons?' - I do get let out of junctions though.
In my 2007 BMW 320i cabrolet in black, significant tailgating, plenty of lane swapping near misses, general BMW like behaviour infecting non BMW drivers in a 10 meter radius.
996 C2, no tailgating, no significant lane swap anxiety, generally peaceful journey.
I tend to find that whatever car I drive, if I don't tailgate the car in front the car behind me very rarely tailgates me.In the Mitsubishi GTO, no one tail gates, no one cuts me up. Ford ST / Vauxhall VX spec drivers generally scowl at me.
In my old Mercedes S600 V12 Bi-Turbo, significant tailgating. I suspect plenty of 'oh what is grandpa doing L3 holding me back at 70+ leptons?' - I do get let out of junctions though.
In my 2007 BMW 320i cabrolet in black, significant tailgating, plenty of lane swapping near misses, general BMW like behaviour infecting non BMW drivers in a 10 meter radius.
996 C2, no tailgating, no significant lane swap anxiety, generally peaceful journey.
Monkeylegend said:
QJumper said:
And I always pick up my turds.
And the same for your dogs turds one hopes.I'm not saying all dog walking children do it or no dog walking adults do it, mind. I've opened a window and shouted at a middle-aged man in a Barbour sloping away from his dog's poop after a deft shoulder check. Made him come back and clear it up. Yeah, I'm well hard, me.
donkmeister said:
Monkeylegend said:
QJumper said:
And I always pick up my turds.
And the same for your dogs turds one hopes.I'm not saying all dog walking children do it or no dog walking adults do it, mind. I've opened a window and shouted at a middle-aged man in a Barbour sloping away from his dog's poop after a deft shoulder check. Made him come back and clear it up. Yeah, I'm well hard, me.
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