Car parts from Europe

[Olivergt]

21st Century Man said:

Olivergt said:

Just to be perfectly clear, customs duty of 12% is due on certain goods over the value of 150 euro, and then VAT is charged on top of that when importing from UK to Ireland.

Certain goods, includes pretty much everything, there are certain exemptions though.

https://www.revenue.ie/en/importing-vehicles-duty-...

Similar rules apply in the UK although the rate is 2.5% for goods up to 630 pounds. Above that value you have to ring to find out.

https://www.gov.uk/goods-sent-from-abroad/tax-and-...

Read the UK link more carefully, particularly the short paragraph after the bold Customs Duty, you've missed something important.

Ditto the Irish link too. See example 3.

The EU/UK trade deal is zero quota, zero tariff (with a few exceptions).

I stand corrected on the UK customs duty.

But for Ireland, example 3 is for an item that is exempt, see example 4 for some sports clothing that is not exempt.

You can also just pick something on eBay over 200 pounds and pick Ireland in the postage section and see what you get.

Bottom line is that in Ireland it costs more now to buy something from the UK, and certain items, seed potatoes, for example can't be bought at any price.

[21st Century Man]

Olivergt said:

I stand corrected on the UK customs duty.

No, I think we were both right and both wrong. That page is out of date, we both missed that! The link in the grey box takes you to the latest, but there's nothing there about duty, just vat.

Although I think the trade deal means that the 'from outside the EU' bit is still the case, as although the page is out of date, the deal leaves import duty unchanged.

Edited by 21st Century Man on Wednesday 27th January 08:30

[mygoldfishbowl]

SturdyHSV said:

Yep, it's the new normal.

Most of the car parts I buy come from America so very used to the duty / VAT. Great joy paying VAT on the cost of the shipping as well, that's always a treat.

You're out of luck then because you don't pay it on shipping any more.

Edited to add. You do still need to pay if the price of shipping is included in the price of the item. Get the shipping price separate to the item price.

Edited by mygoldfishbowl on Wednesday 27th January 00:26

[21st Century Man]

Olivergt said:

But for Ireland, example 3 is for an item that is exempt, see example 4 for some sports clothing that is not exempt.

It is, I just checked.

I think the examples might be the standard non EU/RoW duty into Ireland? And will vary depending on the tariff schedules of any specific trade deal, hence use of the word "may" rather a lot.

No wonder there's confusion though, when at the end of January both Government websites are out of date and pretty ambiguous with regard to EU/UK duty, when the vat situation is made clear enough.

Edited by 21st Century Man on Wednesday 27th January 08:51

[Olivergt]

21st Century Man said:

Olivergt said:

But for Ireland, example 3 is for an item that is exempt, see example 4 for some sports clothing that is not exempt.

It is, I just checked.

I think the examples might be the standard non EU/RoW duty into Ireland? And will vary depending on the tariff schedules of any specific trade deal, hence use of the word "may" rather a lot.

No wonder there's confusion though, when at the end of January both Government websites are out of date and pretty ambiguous with regard to EU/UK duty, when the vat situation is made clear enough.

Edited by 21st Century Man on Wednesday 27th January 08:51

Yes, you are correct, the example is the standard non EU duty into Ireland.

And the UK is, as of 1st January 2021, a non EU country.

And the trade deal is tariff and quota free, but tariffs are different to customs duty.

Example pricing from Ebay

For UK delivery


For EIRE delivery

[thebraketester]

Stu_g87 said:

thebraketester said:

Also what about website like autodoc?

I ordered some parts from them the other week, and after some delay I ended up cancelling after being told that they have "temporarily suspended all shipments to the uk".

Bugger.

[jamoor]

21st Century Man said:

With the amount of business they do in the UK my guess is they'll be collecting UK vat on behalf of HMRC at point of sale, so German vat off/UK vat on, there's no duty, so hardly any difference. Except that the vat now comes to the UK instead of staying in Germany.

Someone correct me if I'm wrong.

You’re wrong.

Only small businesses would pay German vat, once you’re selling enough to the U.K. beyond the vat threshold you had to charge U.K. vat.

[21st Century Man]

Olivergt said:

And the trade deal is tariff and quota free, but tariffs are different to customs duty.

A tariff is the list of commodities which detail the rate at which customs duty is applied.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tariff

Scroll down for customs duty.

As for the ebay examples, without knowing what the product is or what the total end consumer price is in either country, it's hard to see what you're comparing?

Edited by 21st Century Man on Wednesday 27th January 10:14

[21st Century Man]

jamoor said:

21st Century Man said:

With the amount of business they do in the UK my guess is they'll be collecting UK vat on behalf of HMRC at point of sale, so German vat off/UK vat on, there's no duty, so hardly any difference. Except that the vat now comes to the UK instead of staying in Germany.

Someone correct me if I'm wrong.

You’re wrong.

Only small businesses would pay German vat, once you’re selling enough to the U.K. beyond the vat threshold you had to charge U.K. vat.

Anyone?

[Olivergt]

21st Century Man said:

Olivergt said:

And the trade deal is tariff and quota free, but tariffs are different to customs duty.

A tariff is the list of commodities which detail the rate at which customs duty is applied.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tariff

Scroll down for customs duty.

As for the ebay examples, without knowing what the product is or what the total end consumer price is in either country, it's hard to see what you're comparing?

Edited by 21st Century Man on Wednesday 27th January 10:14

The Ebay comparison is for a S/H turntable with a price of £139.00, I simply changed the delivery location.

The Tariff/Customs duty is a bit of a minefield, I'll stand corrected for now.

But as previously mentioned:

Bottom line is that it is more expensive now to buy things from the UK for Irish consumers and we are more likely to buy from other EU sources.

Edited by Olivergt on Wednesday 27th January 11:08

[mmm-five]

thebraketester said:

Also what about website like autodoc?

Autodoc are registered for UK VAT though (AUTODOC GMBH's VAT Number is GB206461432), so other than the logistics nightmare we're currently in, the price should be with UK VAT charged instead of German VAT.

[jimKRFC]

Olivergt said:

and certain items, seed potatoes, for example can't be bought at any price.

That's because the EU has banned their import from the UK. Seed potatoes miraculously went from absolutely fine to leathal the second the transition period ended....

[james_zy]

mmm-five said:

thebraketester said:

Also what about website like autodoc?

Autodoc are registered for UK VAT though (AUTODOC GMBH's VAT Number is GB206461432), so other than the logistics nightmare we're currently in, the price should be with UK VAT charged instead of German VAT.

Will be interested to see what happens with my AutoDoc order (there is a parallel thread to this which I started for others experiencing delays).

I ordered £200 of parts from them on the 28th December 2020, and they charged me 20% VAT on the order at the outset. I think they always have done if I am not mistaken.

Will be interesting to see what happens with regards to any additional customs duty (which I'm not expecting to be honest). Order reached UK shores this morning, so wait hopefully won't be long

[21st Century Man]

There should be no more to this than vat off/vat on and a modest fee for clearance in my naive opinion.

I've just spoken with a mate who has been in ecommerce, into and out of the UK to EU and RoW for yonks. He says they aren't seeing any upsides. But there is no duty, so can we close that off now please? VAT is contra'd, which is what some of us have been saying, they now sell ex-vat, whilst I'm sure it's not plain sailing, other than some system changes, he's told me no real problems with that side of it, he doesn't see the vat as a barrier. (It's always been there anyway).

Carriage however is a problem, they've seen nothing like the fees/costs they're now seeing into the EU, which they don't get for RoW. Some carriers are charging an additional £11 to send a package (ostensibly to cover clearance) yet the customer is also being charged around £30-£40 for clearance too upon delivery, beyond all reason considering the value of the vat contra in percentage terms that they're clearing (+\- 1% or so). They're not getting anything remotely like these charges for the RoW with the same size and value package, at either the despatch or the delivery end, yet it requires (one would think) the same level and cost of clearance processing?

[Jefferson Steelflex]

Hang on, I've just ordered a load of parts from Tiele.com for the porker, and was feeling smug at the net price I paid for goods (€400 or so). I made it saving of about £100 on UK prices, but am I know to expect I'll get an extra bill when they clear customs?

If so, I'll send the bill to Farage.

[21st Century Man]

If you've not paid the vat on export, why should you not pay the vat on import? You might get stung by the carrier, but not by hmrc, they will only want what is due. We've always had to pay the vat, whether it was included or separate.

I hope you're kidding, and you didn't really think that goods from the EU are now vat free? An original thought, given a few on this thread seem to think it's now double vat!

[Stegel]

thebraketester said:

Stu_g87 said:

thebraketester said:

Also what about website like autodoc?

I ordered some parts from them the other week, and after some delay I ended up cancelling after being told that they have "temporarily suspended all shipments to the uk".

Bugger.

I placed an order with Autodoc on the 18th Jan and expected a similar message judging by a few things I’d read elsewhere. However, it was collected by GLS on Monday (25th) and the tracking displays the normal “underway” it usually does. Last year I’d expect delivery at the end of this week or early next, so we will see what the new normal means for the haul from Germany.

[robinessex]

Foreign VAT off, UK vat on. No import duty. Does that sum it up correctly?

[SuperPav]

Jefferson Steelflex said:

Hang on, I've just ordered a load of parts from Tiele.com for the porker, and was feeling smug at the net price I paid for goods (€400 or so). I made it saving of about £100 on UK prices, but am I know to expect I'll get an extra bill when they clear customs?

If so, I'll send the bill to Farage.

It's likely to be ex-vat. We got caught out ordering something from Germany (baby stuff), only for the price to appear to be ex-VAT (not clear due to some limitations in how online shopping platforms display pricing on product pages/shopping cart/invoice) - quickly realised and called them and they confirmed that VAT is adjusted off orders shipped to UK, and UK VAT would be payable on arrival. We ended up cancelling the order as we could get the same stuff from a UK shop for ~5% more and didn't want to risk the aggro of dealing with clearance/VAT.

[21st Century Man]

robinessex said:

Foreign VAT off, UK vat on. No import duty. Does that sum it up correctly?

Yes, and some carriers are taking the piss with fees for clearing it for you, though this can be avoided. I've had a number of parcels from Japan and I pay what's due to hmrc, but not FedEx's £12 fee which I get waived when I query it (theres lot's about that on the internet). Other carriers have had no such fee, just the duty/vat for hmrc.